Small businesses harmed by Obamacare and Federal Rules and Regulations cost $2 Trillion a year!

[healthmyths]

Written into the Affordable Care Act legislation was a provision to establish the Small Business Health Options Program (SHOP) marketplace, which ACA proponents said would help small businesses compete with larger employers. In November 2015, Kaiser Health Newsreported, “Employers with fewer than 50 full-time workers are eligible to buy coverage on SHOP.
The federal government even offers businesses an incentive, a tax credit worth up to half of an employer’s share of their workers’ premiums.
Among the conditions: The firm must employ fewer than 25 workers and their average salary cannot exceed $50,000.”
According to the Kaiser Health News story, only 85,000 people from 11,000 small businesses had coverage through SHOP.
This is significantly less than the 1 million people
the Congressional Budget Office expected to be enrolled in SHOP by the end of 2015.

Susan Wilson Solovic, a New York Times bestselling author and former ABC News business analyst, says to avoid any potential penalties associated with the 50-employee rule, small businesses are choosing to outsource many of their jobs to online freelancers, rather than hiring more staff.

Prior to 2016, many of the time-consuming regulations for small businesses with fewer than 100 employees but more than 49 employees were not enforced in order to give businesses more time to prepare for the rules.
Now that many small businesses are going to be forced to comply with myriad health care rules and regulations they have been able to avoid in the past, many experts are expecting the number of Department of Labor audits to increase, adding to the growing confusion and costs being imposed on small businesses.

Justin Haskins - Survey Shows Small Businesses Suffering Under Obamacare

So not only is Obamacare directly affecting the hiring of more people which would mean more business which would be more people paying taxes, meaning more people buying more consumer goods... we
see Obamacare DISCOURAGING small businesses!

Then look at rules and regulations!

Small Business Facts

Small businesses create two-thirds of the net new jobs annually, employ more than half of the private-sector workforce, and generate nearly 50 percent of annual GDP. America’s small businesses are the backbone of our economy and engines of job creation.

Regulations by the numbers

Today, there are 3,348 federal regulations in the pipeline, with nearly 1/3 impacting small business directly. (Source: The Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, Unified Agenda 2013)

According to the NFIB Small Business Optimism Index, small business owners have cited regulations as a top impediment to conducting business for over 65 months in a row. (Source: NFIB Small Business Optimism Index)

Need for Regulatory Reform

283,615 full-time government employees were dedicated to drafting and enforcing regulations in 2012, while fewer than 50 employees at OMB are responsible for reviewing the new regulatory mandates to ensure they are justified and accurate prior to implementation (Source: “Growth in Regulators’ Budget Slowed by Fiscal Stalemate: An Analysis of the U.S. Budget for Fiscal Years 2012 and 2013,” The George Washington University and Washington University in St. Louis)

From 2003-2010, one-third of major rules, costing $100 million or more, did not go through public review and input, despite federal requirements for public comment. (Source: GAO Report)
Quick Facts - Small Businesses for Sensible Regulations


The cost of federal regulation neared $2 trillion in 2014, according to a new report by the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI).
Report: Cost of Federal Regulation Reached $1.88 Trillion in 2014

 

[Iceweasel]

Liberals do not understand how wealth is created and what fuels the economy. They think we can simply tax ourselves into prosperity.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The single payer plan promoted by Bernie Sanders and the Green Party would eliminate all of that hassle and expense.

Small and start up businesses would be free to run their businesses without all of that hassle and expense holding them back. It would be a boon to our economy. Of course it would remove all that from all businesses big or small.

 

[healthmyths]

The single payer plan promoted by Bernie Sanders and the Green Party would eliminate all of that hassle and expense.

Small and start up businesses would be free to run their businesses without all of that hassle and expense holding them back. It would be a boon to our economy. Of course it would remove all that from all businesses big or small.

You are not an expert on health finances. While neither am I, I do know I know more then you do!
Every day over 6,000 times people come to my business to know if their patients will be covered by Medicare. So one area I do have
a lot more expertise then you is in how a "single payer" system i.e. Medicare works.

Suffice my bona fides...

There never was a health care crisis to begin with.
There never were 46 million uninsured Americans that couldn't be insured.
Starting with those facts, and going down hill the concept of "single payer" never works nor will it.
It doesn't work in ANY country the size of the USA.
It works in countries where there is a centralized government control but then you have no choice. If you are over 65 you are no longer
considered productive.
So given the facts there never were 46 million uninsured Americans... YES there were 10 million Illegals counted as part of the 46 million.
Yes there were 14 million Americans that BEFORE Obamacare were eligible for Medicaid... they just didn't know it!
YES there were 18 million Americans that DIDN"T WANT (under AGE 34...so didn't need) and could afford (made over $50,000 a year).
That left truly 5 million Americans in between situations i.e. unemployed, didn't reach poverty levels for Medicaid, pre-existing conditions,etc.
SOLUTION!
The Uninsured Health Insurance Company. (UHIC)
Way it works: Hospitals grossly overcharge for aspirin, because Medicare says if you take Medicare payments you have to see the uninsured!
Thank the 1986 EMTALA legislation.
So any uninsured means tested patient coming into hospital would be covered by UHIC. Claims sent to UHIC and paid.
BUT to fund UHIC requires two sources:
1) Tax lawyers 10% just as Obamacare taxed tanning salons..rationale...tanning causes cancer. Well tax lawyers because
"FEAR OF LAWSUITS" by doctors NOT federally contracted doctors cause they can't be sued, but all others has according to
doctors cost over $800 billion a year in wasteful duplicate tests, referrals to specialists, all because the physician is afraid of being
SUED!!!!! Caused by lawyers. So tax lawyers 10% like tanning salons caused cancer, lawyers caused $800 billion wasteful spending.
10% of lawyers $270 billion and year pays a $5,000 premium for the UNIC covered person!
2) Charge hospitals a "UNIC" premium based on prior year supposedly write-offs due to "uninsured" of 10%.
The value of uncompensated care in 2013 was $84.9 billion, Uncompensated Care for the Uninsured in 2013: A Detailed Examination - Cost Shifting and Remaining Uncompensated Care Costs
10% of $84.9 billion is almost $9 billion. Which would mean hospitals would have to prove their "uninsured" UHIC patient charges
not bloated...i..e. audits.
This nearly $40 billion a year in premium flowing to UHIC would MORE then cover ANY of the truly 5 million "uninsured" !

Will this WORK?? HELL NO! 47% of Congress and our President are LAWYERS!!!!

 

[P F Tinmore]

The single payer plan promoted by Bernie Sanders and the Green Party would eliminate all of that hassle and expense.

Small and start up businesses would be free to run their businesses without all of that hassle and expense holding them back. It would be a boon to our economy. Of course it would remove all that from all businesses big or small.

You are not an expert on health finances. While neither am I, I do know I know more then you do!
Every day over 6,000 times people come to my business to know if their patients will be covered by Medicare. So one area I do have
a lot more expertise then you is in how a "single payer" system i.e. Medicare works.

Suffice my bona fides...

There never was a health care crisis to begin with.
There never were 46 million uninsured Americans that couldn't be insured.
Starting with those facts, and going down hill the concept of "single payer" never works nor will it.
It doesn't work in ANY country the size of the USA.
It works in countries where there is a centralized government control but then you have no choice. If you are over 65 you are no longer
considered productive.
So given the facts there never were 46 million uninsured Americans... YES there were 10 million Illegals counted as part of the 46 million.
Yes there were 14 million Americans that BEFORE Obamacare were eligible for Medicaid... they just didn't know it!
YES there were 18 million Americans that DIDN"T WANT (under AGE 34...so didn't need) and could afford (made over $50,000 a year).
That left truly 5 million Americans in between situations i.e. unemployed, didn't reach poverty levels for Medicaid, pre-existing conditions,etc.
SOLUTION!
The Uninsured Health Insurance Company. (UHIC)
Way it works: Hospitals grossly overcharge for aspirin, because Medicare says if you take Medicare payments you have to see the uninsured!
Thank the 1986 EMTALA legislation.
So any uninsured means tested patient coming into hospital would be covered by UHIC. Claims sent to UHIC and paid.
BUT to fund UHIC requires two sources:
1) Tax lawyers 10% just as Obamacare taxed tanning salons..rationale...tanning causes cancer. Well tax lawyers because
"FEAR OF LAWSUITS" by doctors NOT federally contracted doctors cause they can't be sued, but all others has according to
doctors cost over $800 billion a year in wasteful duplicate tests, referrals to specialists, all because the physician is afraid of being
SUED!!!!! Caused by lawyers. So tax lawyers 10% like tanning salons caused cancer, lawyers caused $800 billion wasteful spending.
10% of lawyers $270 billion and year pays a $5,000 premium for the UNIC covered person!
2) Charge hospitals a "UNIC" premium based on prior year supposedly write-offs due to "uninsured" of 10%.
The value of uncompensated care in 2013 was $84.9 billion, Uncompensated Care for the Uninsured in 2013: A Detailed Examination - Cost Shifting and Remaining Uncompensated Care Costs
10% of $84.9 billion is almost $9 billion. Which would mean hospitals would have to prove their "uninsured" UHIC patient charges
not bloated...i..e. audits.
This nearly $40 billion a year in premium flowing to UHIC would MORE then cover ANY of the truly 5 million "uninsured" !

Will this WORK?? HELL NO! 47% of Congress and our President are LAWYERS!!!!

Wow, a whole page of extra cost and monkey motions.

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[healthmyths]

The single payer plan promoted by Bernie Sanders and the Green Party would eliminate all of that hassle and expense.

Small and start up businesses would be free to run their businesses without all of that hassle and expense holding them back. It would be a boon to our economy. Of course it would remove all that from all businesses big or small.

You are not an expert on health finances. While neither am I, I do know I know more then you do!
Every day over 6,000 times people come to my business to know if their patients will be covered by Medicare. So one area I do have
a lot more expertise then you is in how a "single payer" system i.e. Medicare works.

Suffice my bona fides...

There never was a health care crisis to begin with.
There never were 46 million uninsured Americans that couldn't be insured.
Starting with those facts, and going down hill the concept of "single payer" never works nor will it.
It doesn't work in ANY country the size of the USA.
It works in countries where there is a centralized government control but then you have no choice. If you are over 65 you are no longer
considered productive.
So given the facts there never were 46 million uninsured Americans... YES there were 10 million Illegals counted as part of the 46 million.
Yes there were 14 million Americans that BEFORE Obamacare were eligible for Medicaid... they just didn't know it!
YES there were 18 million Americans that DIDN"T WANT (under AGE 34...so didn't need) and could afford (made over $50,000 a year).
That left truly 5 million Americans in between situations i.e. unemployed, didn't reach poverty levels for Medicaid, pre-existing conditions,etc.
SOLUTION!
The Uninsured Health Insurance Company. (UHIC)
Way it works: Hospitals grossly overcharge for aspirin, because Medicare says if you take Medicare payments you have to see the uninsured!
Thank the 1986 EMTALA legislation.
So any uninsured means tested patient coming into hospital would be covered by UHIC. Claims sent to UHIC and paid.
BUT to fund UHIC requires two sources:
1) Tax lawyers 10% just as Obamacare taxed tanning salons..rationale...tanning causes cancer. Well tax lawyers because
"FEAR OF LAWSUITS" by doctors NOT federally contracted doctors cause they can't be sued, but all others has according to
doctors cost over $800 billion a year in wasteful duplicate tests, referrals to specialists, all because the physician is afraid of being
SUED!!!!! Caused by lawyers. So tax lawyers 10% like tanning salons caused cancer, lawyers caused $800 billion wasteful spending.
10% of lawyers $270 billion and year pays a $5,000 premium for the UNIC covered person!
2) Charge hospitals a "UNIC" premium based on prior year supposedly write-offs due to "uninsured" of 10%.
The value of uncompensated care in 2013 was $84.9 billion, Uncompensated Care for the Uninsured in 2013: A Detailed Examination - Cost Shifting and Remaining Uncompensated Care Costs
10% of $84.9 billion is almost $9 billion. Which would mean hospitals would have to prove their "uninsured" UHIC patient charges
not bloated...i..e. audits.
This nearly $40 billion a year in premium flowing to UHIC would MORE then cover ANY of the truly 5 million "uninsured" !

Will this WORK?? HELL NO! 47% of Congress and our President are LAWYERS!!!!

Wow, a whole page of extra cost and monkey motions.

Thanks for proving my point.

Well simple minds like yours is what Obama was counting on when he hired the architect for Obamacare, Massachusetts Institute of Technology Professor Jonathan Gruber appears on a panel and discusses how the reform earned enough votes to pass.
He suggested that many lawmakers and voters didn't know what was in the law or how its financing worked,
and that this helped it win approval.
"Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage,” Gruber said. "And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass."
Gruber made the comment while discussing how the law was "written in a tortured way" to avoid a bad score from the Congressional Budget Office. He suggested that voters would have rejected ObamaCare if the penalties for going without health insurance were interpreted as taxes, either by budget analysts or the public.
While analysts expect the market to stabilize once premiums rise and more young, healthy people sign up, some observers have not ruled out the possibility of a collapse of the market, known in insurance parlance as a “death spiral.”
ObamaCare architect: 'Stupidity' of voters helped bill pass
So you admittedly are part of that "Stupidity" crowd that Obama was counting on!
Makes sense! You can't handle anything more than 144 characters, or a 30 second sound bite or a headline...any more details
makes your heads explode. Sad you can't handle what some of us can handle...the FACTS!

 

[BluesLegend]

The left continuously use businesses like a credit card, when they run out of money to spend they just increase taxes on businesses and spend some more. When businesses get pissed pack up and leave the left cranks up the taxes on the poor and middle class to feed their crack spending habit. That's how the left destroys cities and states. The left are flesh eating bacteria.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The single payer plan promoted by Bernie Sanders and the Green Party would eliminate all of that hassle and expense.

Small and start up businesses would be free to run their businesses without all of that hassle and expense holding them back. It would be a boon to our economy. Of course it would remove all that from all businesses big or small.

You are not an expert on health finances. While neither am I, I do know I know more then you do!
Every day over 6,000 times people come to my business to know if their patients will be covered by Medicare. So one area I do have
a lot more expertise then you is in how a "single payer" system i.e. Medicare works.

Suffice my bona fides...

There never was a health care crisis to begin with.
There never were 46 million uninsured Americans that couldn't be insured.
Starting with those facts, and going down hill the concept of "single payer" never works nor will it.
It doesn't work in ANY country the size of the USA.
It works in countries where there is a centralized government control but then you have no choice. If you are over 65 you are no longer
considered productive.
So given the facts there never were 46 million uninsured Americans... YES there were 10 million Illegals counted as part of the 46 million.
Yes there were 14 million Americans that BEFORE Obamacare were eligible for Medicaid... they just didn't know it!
YES there were 18 million Americans that DIDN"T WANT (under AGE 34...so didn't need) and could afford (made over $50,000 a year).
That left truly 5 million Americans in between situations i.e. unemployed, didn't reach poverty levels for Medicaid, pre-existing conditions,etc.
SOLUTION!
The Uninsured Health Insurance Company. (UHIC)
Way it works: Hospitals grossly overcharge for aspirin, because Medicare says if you take Medicare payments you have to see the uninsured!
Thank the 1986 EMTALA legislation.
So any uninsured means tested patient coming into hospital would be covered by UHIC. Claims sent to UHIC and paid.
BUT to fund UHIC requires two sources:
1) Tax lawyers 10% just as Obamacare taxed tanning salons..rationale...tanning causes cancer. Well tax lawyers because
"FEAR OF LAWSUITS" by doctors NOT federally contracted doctors cause they can't be sued, but all others has according to
doctors cost over $800 billion a year in wasteful duplicate tests, referrals to specialists, all because the physician is afraid of being
SUED!!!!! Caused by lawyers. So tax lawyers 10% like tanning salons caused cancer, lawyers caused $800 billion wasteful spending.
10% of lawyers $270 billion and year pays a $5,000 premium for the UNIC covered person!
2) Charge hospitals a "UNIC" premium based on prior year supposedly write-offs due to "uninsured" of 10%.
The value of uncompensated care in 2013 was $84.9 billion, Uncompensated Care for the Uninsured in 2013: A Detailed Examination - Cost Shifting and Remaining Uncompensated Care Costs
10% of $84.9 billion is almost $9 billion. Which would mean hospitals would have to prove their "uninsured" UHIC patient charges
not bloated...i..e. audits.
This nearly $40 billion a year in premium flowing to UHIC would MORE then cover ANY of the truly 5 million "uninsured" !

Will this WORK?? HELL NO! 47% of Congress and our President are LAWYERS!!!!

Wow, a whole page of extra cost and monkey motions.

Thanks for proving my point.

Well simple minds like yours is what Obama was counting on when he hired the architect for Obamacare, Massachusetts Institute of Technology Professor Jonathan Gruber appears on a panel and discusses how the reform earned enough votes to pass.
He suggested that many lawmakers and voters didn't know what was in the law or how its financing worked,
and that this helped it win approval.
"Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage,” Gruber said. "And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass."
Gruber made the comment while discussing how the law was "written in a tortured way" to avoid a bad score from the Congressional Budget Office. He suggested that voters would have rejected ObamaCare if the penalties for going without health insurance were interpreted as taxes, either by budget analysts or the public.
While analysts expect the market to stabilize once premiums rise and more young, healthy people sign up, some observers have not ruled out the possibility of a collapse of the market, known in insurance parlance as a “death spiral.”
ObamaCare architect: 'Stupidity' of voters helped bill pass
So you admittedly are part of that "Stupidity" crowd that Obama was counting on!
Makes sense! You can't handle anything more than 144 characters, or a 30 second sound bite or a headline...any more details
makes your heads explode. Sad you can't handle what some of us can handle...the FACTS!

The ACA is the worst system possible. It was written by insurance companies to pack their pockets with your money. Both the left and the right were opposed to this system.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The left continuously use businesses like a credit card, when they run out of money to spend they just increase taxes on businesses and spend some more. When businesses get pissed pack up and leave the left cranks up the taxes on the poor and middle class to feed their crack spending habit. That's how the left destroys cities and states. The left are flesh eating bacteria.

Indeed, single payer would save businesses a lot of money.

 

[Norman]

Liberals do not understand how wealth is created and what fuels the economy. They think we can simply tax ourselves into prosperity.

Wrong, they think they can tax THEMSELVES into prosperity... which they can, at the cost of everything else. Of course they want everyone be as poor as them, that's their only chance of looking acceptable.


As an atheist, I would accept the 10 commandments of bible in a heart beat over the 10,000 commandments of the liberal big government that only expands and never shrinks for any notable time.


"The scope of federal government spending, deficits, and the national debt is staggering — but so is the cost of federal regulations. In fact, the cost of federal regulation exceeds half of what the U.S. federal government spends annually."
Ten Thousand Commandments | Competitive Enterprise Institute

"The growth of federal regulations over the past six decades has cut U.S. economic growth by an average of 2 percentage points per year, according to a new study in the Journal of Economic Growth. As a result, the average American household receives about $277,000 less annually than it would have gotten in the absence of six decades of accumulated regulations—a median household income of $330,000 instead of the $53,000 we get now."
Federal Regulations Have Made You 75 Percent Poorer

Study: GDP Would Be 25% Bigger If Government Regulations Had Been Capped In 1980

Liberals don't of course understand that robbing 1% point from GDP growth is over a hundred year period going to make you 2.5x poorer. But they don't care, because the above... Yet they complain about GW, which is projected to cost peanuts.

 

[rdean]

Written into the Affordable Care Act legislation was a provision to establish the Small Business Health Options Program (SHOP) marketplace, which ACA proponents said would help small businesses compete with larger employers. In November 2015, Kaiser Health Newsreported, “Employers with fewer than 50 full-time workers are eligible to buy coverage on SHOP.
The federal government even offers businesses an incentive, a tax credit worth up to half of an employer’s share of their workers’ premiums.
Among the conditions: The firm must employ fewer than 25 workers and their average salary cannot exceed $50,000.”
According to the Kaiser Health News story, only 85,000 people from 11,000 small businesses had coverage through SHOP.
This is significantly less than the 1 million people
the Congressional Budget Office expected to be enrolled in SHOP by the end of 2015.

Susan Wilson Solovic, a New York Times bestselling author and former ABC News business analyst, says to avoid any potential penalties associated with the 50-employee rule, small businesses are choosing to outsource many of their jobs to online freelancers, rather than hiring more staff.

Prior to 2016, many of the time-consuming regulations for small businesses with fewer than 100 employees but more than 49 employees were not enforced in order to give businesses more time to prepare for the rules.
Now that many small businesses are going to be forced to comply with myriad health care rules and regulations they have been able to avoid in the past, many experts are expecting the number of Department of Labor audits to increase, adding to the growing confusion and costs being imposed on small businesses.

Justin Haskins - Survey Shows Small Businesses Suffering Under Obamacare

So not only is Obamacare directly affecting the hiring of more people which would mean more business which would be more people paying taxes, meaning more people buying more consumer goods... we
see Obamacare DISCOURAGING small businesses!

Then look at rules and regulations!

Small Business Facts

Small businesses create two-thirds of the net new jobs annually, employ more than half of the private-sector workforce, and generate nearly 50 percent of annual GDP. America’s small businesses are the backbone of our economy and engines of job creation.

Regulations by the numbers

Today, there are 3,348 federal regulations in the pipeline, with nearly 1/3 impacting small business directly. (Source: The Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, Unified Agenda 2013)

According to the NFIB Small Business Optimism Index, small business owners have cited regulations as a top impediment to conducting business for over 65 months in a row. (Source: NFIB Small Business Optimism Index)

Need for Regulatory Reform

283,615 full-time government employees were dedicated to drafting and enforcing regulations in 2012, while fewer than 50 employees at OMB are responsible for reviewing the new regulatory mandates to ensure they are justified and accurate prior to implementation (Source: “Growth in Regulators’ Budget Slowed by Fiscal Stalemate: An Analysis of the U.S. Budget for Fiscal Years 2012 and 2013,” The George Washington University and Washington University in St. Louis)

From 2003-2010, one-third of major rules, costing $100 million or more, did not go through public review and input, despite federal requirements for public comment. (Source: GAO Report)
Quick Facts - Small Businesses for Sensible Regulations


The cost of federal regulation neared $2 trillion in 2014, according to a new report by the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI).
Report: Cost of Federal Regulation Reached $1.88 Trillion in 2014

Getting info from right wing moronic sites is for morons. That's why the GOP base is anti GOP. Because of the lies and bullshit.

 

[rdean]

Why do right wingers want other Americans to die?

 

[Norman]

Why do right wingers want other Americans to die?

Rdean feelings based rhetoric vs the facts that point out that regulations costs an enormous amount.

yup, facts never enter into it for these guys.

 

[Dragonlady]

Liberals do not understand how wealth is created and what fuels the economy. They think we can simply tax ourselves into prosperity.

Yes we know how conservative wealth is created. Conservative wealth is created but paying the lowest wages the law will allow, while having middle class taxpayers pay for your employees health care, food stamps, and earned income credits, and then brag how profitable your company is. Your company can afford to pay for these things and still be very profitable, you'd just lose your bragging rights though. That is how wealth is created in america today.

Conservatives have given us two huge stock market crashes, one of which nearly destroyed the world economy. Liberals gave you 40 years of stable growth. Nixon, made a fiscal mess, Reagan completely re-ordered the tax code leading to stock market mid-way through his second term. Bush cut taxes and encouraged the housing bubble which crashed the US economy and nearly took the rest of the world down with it.

You can't cut taxes and spend, which is the only solution you loons have. When income goes down, you spend, spend, spend and then say "Look at all the jobs we created". You didn't create jobs, you spent a shitload of money, all of it on the credit card. Every Republican has to have his war. Hell Reagan invaded Granada..

War is a huge waste of money. And it's expensive. One bombing run can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, and all you've done is destroy things. Think if all those millions of dollars had been spent at home, rebuilding the crumbling US infrastructure, giving jobs to American workers, instead of blowing shit up in Bagdhad, and then spending more American dollars on humanitarian aid to the Iraqi people because you destroyed their country and left them with no hospitals, no food, and money and no work. How many billions of dollars of deficit spending have gone to blowing shit up and then rebuilding it to have ISIS blow it up again?

Bush created a whole new Department, the Department of Homeland Security, and gave it a massive budget. That really produced a lot of wealth for Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and his other buddies. Reagan was forced by the Democratic Congress, to put an end to his Star Wars missile program fiasco.

Democrats tax to pay for shit. If you want an army with all of the latest toys, start paying your taxes to cover the cost. If you favour going to war with Iraq, ISIS, or anybody at all, pay your share of the Trillion Dollars it will cost to do this. Because conservatives are getting richer every year by kicking the can on their military games on down the road, by keeping them off budget, and very much on the national credit card.

I look at what the Donald is proposing, and who is going to pay for this stuff? Everything he proposes will increase the size and scope of government. Where is the money going to come from to pay for it? This is a reasonable question. Hillary has been specific how she plans to pay for her promises. How's Donnie coming along on those specifics?

 

[healthmyths]

Liberals do not understand how wealth is created and what fuels the economy. They think we can simply tax ourselves into prosperity.

Yes we know how conservative wealth is created. Conservative wealth is created but paying the lowest wages the law will allow, while having middle class taxpayers pay for your employees health care, food stamps, and earned income credits, and then brag how profitable your company is. Your company can afford to pay for these things and still be very profitable, you'd just lose your bragging rights though. That is how wealth is created in america today.

Conservatives have given us two huge stock market crashes, one of which nearly destroyed the world economy. Liberals gave you 40 years of stable growth. Nixon, made a fiscal mess, Reagan completely re-ordered the tax code leading to stock market mid-way through his second term. Bush cut taxes and encouraged the housing bubble which crashed the US economy and nearly took the rest of the world down with it.

You can't cut taxes and spend, which is the only solution you loons have. When income goes down, you spend, spend, spend and then say "Look at all the jobs we created". You didn't create jobs, you spent a shitload of money, all of it on the credit card. Every Republican has to have his war. Hell Reagan invaded Granada..

War is a huge waste of money. And it's expensive. One bombing run can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, and all you've done is destroy things. Think if all those millions of dollars had been spent at home, rebuilding the crumbling US infrastructure, giving jobs to American workers, instead of blowing shit up in Bagdhad, and then spending more American dollars on humanitarian aid to the Iraqi people because you destroyed their country and left them with no hospitals, no food, and money and no work. How many billions of dollars of deficit spending have gone to blowing shit up and then rebuilding it to have ISIS blow it up again?

Bush created a whole new Department, the Department of Homeland Security, and gave it a massive budget. That really produced a lot of wealth for Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and his other buddies. Reagan was forced by the Democratic Congress, to put an end to his Star Wars missile program fiasco.

Democrats tax to pay for shit. If you want an army with all of the latest toys, start paying your taxes to cover the cost. If you favour going to war with Iraq, ISIS, or anybody at all, pay your share of the Trillion Dollars it will cost to do this. Because conservatives are getting richer every year by kicking the can on their military games on down the road, by keeping them off budget, and very much on the national credit card.

I look at what the Donald is proposing, and who is going to pay for this stuff? Everything he proposes will increase the size and scope of government. Where is the money going to come from to pay for it? This is a reasonable question. Hillary has been specific how she plans to pay for her promises. How's Donnie coming along on those specifics?

All your crap about "Star Wars" Homeland Security totally useless and 100% wrong.
But let's talk about the future and even then YOU won't grasp this because idiots like you don't deal with reality!

FACT IDIOT! Where do taxes come from? Who pays taxes? The government? Where does TAX money come from?
Can't come from "NON-Profits" by definition...no profits mean no taxes!
So dummy where do taxes come from?

Come on what's the answer???
IDIOT!!! They come from people working for companies that pay TAXES!
NOW what kind of TAXES??? Sure you idiots complain about evil corporate profits!
FACTS for idiots like you!
Now a pretty picture for idiots like you! Policy Basics: Where Do Federal Tax Revenues Come From? | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Guess who pays HALF of the Payroll taxes???
EMPLOYERS do...
Guess who pays 11% of all taxes? Evil employers /corporations do!
Nearly 28% from what??? EVIL employers/corporations?
Now guess who pays the most of the Personal income taxes???
YUP those EVIL top 50%ers! pay 97% of that 47% personal income taxes! or 44% of all TAXES paid by EVIL 50%ers!
So again... IDIOT... who pays more in taxes NON-Profits or employer/top50%ers?

SO because you can't handle detailed information, the next comment will show how Trump will cut Federal Deficits, create more jobs
and make the GDP where it should be !
But I doubt you'll follow it because again the DETAILS are very hard for idiots like you to follow!

 

[healthmyths]

OK for those idiots that can't follow detailed information here is a very short version of what the next 8 years under Trump will mean to the USA.

With a 15% tax rate and Trump's call for a repatriation holiday of 10 percent for the more than $2 trillion dollars in corporate cash parked overseas is among the ideas getting the most chatter on Wall Street right now. It's also possible Hillary Clinton would propose a similar policy, with some conditions, analysts said. Trump repatriation proposal puts spotlight back on $1 trillion parked overseas

So how much of that $2.1 Trillion would be coming back? $1 trillion???

IDIOTS... SO WHAT will happen to that $1 trillion?????
1) put the money in US banks... earn interest but the interest payment would be very low.
And if they did... means MORE money banks will have to lend!
2) Build more factories...hire more people.... pay higher wages.. BECAUSE...
So the net effect of $1 trillion plowed back into the US economy..
a) More buildings, offices,factories... say a $200 billion infusion
means more construction jobs $100 billion in labor costs over 4 years equals 6.2% SS/1.45% Medicare or $3 billion a year in payroll taxes
b) Hires more people at $500 billion for 4 years or payroll taxes of $20 billion.
c) Still leaves $300 billion to make mistakes or profits over 4 years or $45 billion in corporate tax revenue.
d) Oh remember workers also pay taxes...assume 5% on adjusted income of $500 billion is another $25 billion.

Just these 4 simple examples of cutting corporate tax rate creating jobs, that pay payroll,personal,corporate taxes over 4 years $100 billion in
additional revenue and we've not even calculated what the multiplier effect is of $1 trillion plowed back into the economy, i.e.
So what's the actual impact? Earlier projections based on Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA) annual input-output tables have calculated that a dollar's worth of final demand for manufacturers generates $1.48 in other services and production.
The Competitive Edge: Manufacturing's Multiplier Effect -- It's Bigger Than You Think
In other words the US economy with $1 trillion plowed into the economy would mean $1.48 trillion in growth!

 

[JBond]

The single payer plan promoted by Bernie Sanders and the Green Party would eliminate all of that hassle and expense.

Small and start up businesses would be free to run their businesses without all of that hassle and expense holding them back. It would be a boon to our economy. Of course it would remove all that from all businesses big or small.

I'm curious where the $3.5 - $4 trillion a year to pay for health care expenditures would come from. That number will jump to $10 trillion by 2026. How will you fund it?

 

[JBond]

OK for those idiots that can't follow detailed information here is a very short version of what the next 8 years under Trump will mean to the USA.

With a 15% tax rate and Trump's call for a repatriation holiday of 10 percent for the more than $2 trillion dollars in corporate cash parked overseas is among the ideas getting the most chatter on Wall Street right now. It's also possible Hillary Clinton would propose a similar policy, with some conditions, analysts said. Trump repatriation proposal puts spotlight back on $1 trillion parked overseas

So how much of that $2.1 Trillion would be coming back? $1 trillion???

IDIOTS... SO WHAT will happen to that $1 trillion?????
1) put the money in US banks... earn interest but the interest payment would be very low.
And if they did... means MORE money banks will have to lend!
2) Build more factories...hire more people.... pay higher wages.. BECAUSE...
So the net effect of $1 trillion plowed back into the US economy..
a) More buildings, offices,factories... say a $200 billion infusion
means more construction jobs $100 billion in labor costs over 4 years equals 6.2% SS/1.45% Medicare or $3 billion a year in payroll taxes
b) Hires more people at $500 billion for 4 years or payroll taxes of $20 billion.
c) Still leaves $300 billion to make mistakes or profits over 4 years or $45 billion in corporate tax revenue.
d) Oh remember workers also pay taxes...assume 5% on adjusted income of $500 billion is another $25 billion.

Just these 4 simple examples of cutting corporate tax rate creating jobs, that pay payroll,personal,corporate taxes over 4 years $100 billion in
additional revenue and we've not even calculated what the multiplier effect is of $1 trillion plowed back into the economy, i.e.
So what's the actual impact? Earlier projections based on Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA) annual input-output tables have calculated that a dollar's worth of final demand for manufacturers generates $1.48 in other services and production.
The Competitive Edge: Manufacturing's Multiplier Effect -- It's Bigger Than You Think
In other words the US economy with $1 trillion plowed into the economy would mean $1.48 trillion in growth!

You got it all wrong. Just ask San Fran Nan. She believes unemployment payments increases GDP.

 

[Iceweasel]

Liberals do not understand how wealth is created and what fuels the economy. They think we can simply tax ourselves into prosperity.

Yes we know how conservative wealth is created. Conservative wealth is created but paying the lowest wages the law will allow,

Liar. You are nothing but a hatefuck. Businesses pay what they have to to keep good help on. Liberal business owners do the same. What few there are. Businesses are not created to provide jobs. If you don't like the wages, leave and start your own company. Move to Cuba, you dumb bitch.

 

[Norman]

OK for those idiots that can't follow detailed information here is a very short version of what the next 8 years under Trump will mean to the USA.

With a 15% tax rate and Trump's call for a repatriation holiday of 10 percent for the more than $2 trillion dollars in corporate cash parked overseas is among the ideas getting the most chatter on Wall Street right now. It's also possible Hillary Clinton would propose a similar policy, with some conditions, analysts said. Trump repatriation proposal puts spotlight back on $1 trillion parked overseas

So how much of that $2.1 Trillion would be coming back? $1 trillion???

IDIOTS... SO WHAT will happen to that $1 trillion?????
1) put the money in US banks... earn interest but the interest payment would be very low.
And if they did... means MORE money banks will have to lend!
2) Build more factories...hire more people.... pay higher wages.. BECAUSE...
So the net effect of $1 trillion plowed back into the US economy..
a) More buildings, offices,factories... say a $200 billion infusion
means more construction jobs $100 billion in labor costs over 4 years equals 6.2% SS/1.45% Medicare or $3 billion a year in payroll taxes
b) Hires more people at $500 billion for 4 years or payroll taxes of $20 billion.
c) Still leaves $300 billion to make mistakes or profits over 4 years or $45 billion in corporate tax revenue.
d) Oh remember workers also pay taxes...assume 5% on adjusted income of $500 billion is another $25 billion.

Just these 4 simple examples of cutting corporate tax rate creating jobs, that pay payroll,personal,corporate taxes over 4 years $100 billion in
additional revenue and we've not even calculated what the multiplier effect is of $1 trillion plowed back into the economy, i.e.
So what's the actual impact? Earlier projections based on Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA) annual input-output tables have calculated that a dollar's worth of final demand for manufacturers generates $1.48 in other services and production.
The Competitive Edge: Manufacturing's Multiplier Effect -- It's Bigger Than You Think
In other words the US economy with $1 trillion plowed into the economy would mean $1.48 trillion in growth!

You got it all wrong. Just ask San Fran Nan. She believes unemployment payments increases GDP.

Paying people not to work would obviously increase production. It's just simple logic. What next? 1+1 is 5?