CaféAuLait;8621952 said:
Wow!! I must have really rustled some Jimmies or the dude with the weird name called all his friends. So far I see nothing but ideas that have nothing to do with the facts of reparations but I do see a lot of excuses as to why they shouldnt be paid.
Cafe if you are going to quote someone regarding history please quote a historian. Gates is a book writer financed by BoFA. He is not a historian and has been caught several times with incomplete and wrong information regarding Black history.
Lets lay out the facts again and stop with the nonsense that has nothing to do with reparations.
Slavery was wrong.
Reparations are used to right a wrong.
Ex-slaves were never paid reparations.
There has never been a system in the US that benefited only the descendants of slaves.
Japanese were paid reparations via tax money by the US government setting a precedent.
Presidents have announced slavery was wrong fulfilling the criteria of the first point.
There is no expiration period for reparations.
There is nothing that says reparations has to be paid to someone living.
If you have no argument on these points your opinions are really silly and irrelevant. Please get somone in here that can debate on these points. i wont allow my time to be wasted by anything else.
FYI
[url=http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=reparation]Online Etymology Dictionary[/URL]
LOL you still have not addressed a single question I put to you, instead you say the Harvard Professor, Henry Gates is a mere writer instead of recognizing him as an esteemed Harvard College professor and director of African American studies and history.
Again you are wrong. Just as you were about white, Irish and Romani slaves, Blacks owning slaves and mules being included in Sherman's mandate and now Professor gates. Sounds like you need to accept some facts which are hard to swallow. And read a few history books.
Henry Louis Gates, Jr. | Department of African and African American Studies
Of course Harvard gives Gates prestigious jobs dealing with African American history and study when he has no qualifications. /sarcasm
You can't answer a single question I have asked, In fact you have ignored every one I have asked.
As far as your contention "there has never been a system in the US which was solely for the benefit of Africans" you are wrong. Freedmen's Bureau is one, congress allocated over 17 million dollars for schools and hospitals for freedmen- spent in a one year period alone. Another, which is contentious: Liberia. Private US individuals, which soon became "The Society for the Colonization of Free People of Color of America" paid for freedmen to be sent home to Africa, anyone who desired to be. Congress allocated hundreds of thousands of dollars to build Liberia up and also assured military aid and land appropriations for Freed slaves. Congress also gave loans as well.
Your points were not addressed because you are not concentrating on the points I presented. Your questions do not get precedence until mine are answered.
Regarding Gates. its a running joke that he is called Henry "Skip the truth" Gates due to his penchant for only telling the truth that is comfortable to white america. Again he is not a historian no matter his accolades.
Henry Louis "Skip" Gates, Jr., (born September 16, 1950) is an American literary critic, educator, scholar, writer, and editor.
See? No historian.
LOL you alleged Gates was
nothing but a writer paid by big banks, I corrected you. The man is a Harvard Scholar, as I already pointed out he obviously uses historians whom he trusts.
Strange how you focus on minutia and not the meat and bones of the issue.
I asked you if reparations were to be granted who would pay and who would receive.
Since you wish to divide slaves and only want to focus on black slaves, let’s ponder the following (or not )since you don't seem to be able to give a response to anything I have wondered in trying to see how you would make this happen, or anyone for that matter.
Firstly, any American entering the country after abolition would not have to pay a cent and ANY black person entering the country after abolition would not get a dime or any benefit, yes? Is that fair to you?
Yes, or no and why.
Do you think such would create a divide amongst blacks in this country if only certain blacks were eligible for school and or certain incentives given their families never were slaves? Would such create another 'class' of sorts of poor black families?
What of those blacks who came here from the Caribbean after abolition who were NOT enslaved in the states but were in the Caribbean? There were some 300,000 thousand or more. Will those Caribbean slave decedents be cut off from any benefit? Yes or no?
Bloodlines have been mixed for hundreds of years since slavery. I’m sure people will be pretty ticked to learn people who appear white and rich like Jennifer Beals, Carol Channing, Vin Diesel, Soledad O'Brien, Meghan Markle, Rashida Jones, Michael FosbergCash Warren, Troian Bellisario, etc., etc., etc., and their relatives may be eligible to receive payments or special schooling etc., or would their “white” lineage stop them from doing so?
Would people such as the Obama’s not have to pay because some relatives were white and some black, which may (for the lack of a better word) “cancel” out their debt because they have family members who were once slaves and slave owners. Would ‘rich’ blacks be able to get these reparations, or only “poor” blacks?
Let’s pretend this is something that comes from ALL taxpayers, which is hardly fair to anyone entering the country after abolition, but it seems to me this does not matter to you one iota.
How much money would the government need to spend to trace lineage to prove one is eligible? How much would EVERY taxpayer need to pay to assure each person’s lineage was traced accurately? I’m sure DNA testing would be involved as well. All before any type of payment could be thought of, yes?
AND of course any black person who entered this country since abolition would NOT be eligible for ANY repatriations, such would be determined through lineage and DNA testing paid for by all taxpayers, yes?
How does one decide who gets paid and who pays and how? Or do you believe it just the color of one’s skin which will allow benefits? No matter if their family has only US slave ancestors or not?
