Zone1 Sir Lionel Luckhoo

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What does it mean that carrots, with their low level of intelligence, have a spiritual component?

The same thing as it means for you.

 

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I find your arguments to be faith-based, not science-based. Your 'logic' is generally not as logical as you think it is.

Except for all that science crap I discuss that you don't understand. It seems you and carrots have that in common as well.

 

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You are correct. These are some of the current theories:

The Big Bang Theory​

The Steady State Theory​

The Multiverse Theory​

The Plasma Universe Theory​

The Cyclic Model​

How does each one produce cosmic microwave background radiation and red shift?

 

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What is illogical is to assume that the God (capital 'G') of the Bible is the creator of the universe(s) based on zero evidence save for the writings of some bronze-age people who got their information from other bronze-age people.

You're the one wanting to discuss God in terms of the bible. Not me.

 

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Sorry but I don't believe carrots have any 'spirit'.

Good for you. I don't believe you have any either.

 

[alang1216]

The same thing as it means for you.

Not really an answer. So what does it mean for me?

 

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Not really an answer. So what does it mean for me?

That you have the spiritual content of a carrot.

 

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Sir Lionel Luckhoo is in the Guinness Book of World Records as the greatest defense attorney of all times, able to win in 245 straight trials. He was an atheist until his mid sixties when he was asked to put his talents to work on proving/disproving the case for Jesus's resurrection. After years on this study he said it is unequivocally true that Jesus died and was resurrected. He based his decision on Four E's.

• Early Accounts
• Empty Tomb
• Eyewitness Testimony
• Emerging Church

If you have still have doubts about the resurrection, what are they and why?

“I say unequivocally that the evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming that it compels acceptance by proof which leaves absolutely no room for doubt.” Sir Lionel Alfred Luckhoo

 

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The "Greatest Lawyer of all Time" tackles the evidence of the resurrection... | TexAgs

The "Greatest Lawyer of all Time" tackles the evidence of the resurrection... discussion on the TexAgs Religion & Philosophy forum.

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This looks to be well written.

 

[alang1216]

“I say unequivocally that the evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming that it compels acceptance by proof which leaves absolutely no room for doubt.” Sir Lionel Alfred Luckhoo

I still have my doubts.

1. Any resurrection would be a miraculous/supernatural event, something that neither I nor anyone I know has ever experienced.
2. Bringing demigods and mortals back from the dead was a staple of the pagan religions that Christians endeavored to convert.
3. The only sources are Christian sources which support the Christian narrative.
4. The Christian sources don't agree on the events either before or after Jesus' death.
5. The Gospels have been altered as they have been copied and recopied. The most significant addition to Mark's Gospel is the longer ending in verses 16:9-20. Most scholars believe this section was not originally part of the gospel, but was added later by scribes to provide a more complete and satisfying ending. The shorter ending, ending at verse 8, is considered the more authentic and original conclusion to Mark's story.

 

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I still have my doubts.

1. Any resurrection would be a miraculous/supernatural event, something that neither I nor anyone I know has ever experienced.
2. Bringing demigods and mortals back from the dead was a staple of the pagan religions that Christians endeavored to convert.
3. The only sources are Christian sources which support the Christian narrative.
4. The Christian sources don't agree on the events either before or after Jesus' death.
5. The Gospels have been altered as they have been copied and recopied. The most significant addition to Mark's Gospel is the longer ending in verses 16:9-20. Most scholars believe this section was not originally part of the gospel, but was added later by scribes to provide a more complete and satisfying ending. The shorter ending, ending at verse 8, is considered the more authentic and original conclusion to Mark's story.

Of course you do. That's not new news. What you don't have is evidence or an explanation for why Christianity was founded in the first place. I have both.

 

[alang1216]

Of course you do. That's not new news. What you don't have is evidence or an explanation for why Christianity was founded in the first place. I have both.

I thought my evidence was pretty solid and can't be dismissed so flippantly. Christianity, like every other religion, began as a cult lead by a charismatic leader. No mystery really.

 

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I thought my evidence was pretty solid and can't be dismissed so flippantly. Christianity, like every other religion, began as a cult lead by a charismatic leader. No mystery really.

I'm beginning to think you don't know what EVIDENCE means.

Were there any accounts from antiquity disputing the miracles performed by Christ?

 

[alang1216]

I'm beginning to think you don't know what EVIDENCE means.

Were there any accounts from antiquity disputing the miracles performed by Christ?

What sort of evidence or accounts were you thinking might exist? There was no CNN so no one went to interview eyewitnesses and if they did investigate, a story that an itinerant preacher came to their town and didn't perform a miracle wouldn't be breaking news.

In fact, If that itinerant preacher came to their town and did perform a miracle the story might have been reported outside the Christian community. I'd say that is evidence it did not happen.

 

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What sort of evidence or accounts were you thinking might exist? There was no CNN so no one went to interview eyewitnesses and if they did investigate, a story that an itinerant preacher came to their town and didn't perform a miracle wouldn't be breaking news.

In fact, If that itinerant preacher came to their town and did perform a miracle the story might have been reported outside the Christian community. I'd say that is evidence it did not happen.

Any account that disputes the miracles performed by Christ or the resurrection of Christ that was recorded by the Jewish community. But the only account from them that I have found is the Babylonian Talmud which stated Jesus was put to death for sorcery and inciting Israel to apostasy.

 

[alang1216]

Any account that disputes the miracles performed by Christ or the resurrection of Christ that was recorded by the Jewish community. But the only account from them that I have found is the Babylonian Talmud which stated Jesus was put to death for sorcery and inciting Israel to apostasy.

Do you have any account of miracles from before Jesus' death? Do you have any account of a resurrection from the time of Jesus' death? The Babylonian Talmud was written several centuries after Jesus died so it is safe to say any eyewitnesses were long dead. The earliest Christian writings were Paul's letters and Paul was not an eyewitness to miracles or the resurrection.

Paul doesn't mention any miracles by Jesus but he does relate stories he was told of Jesus' resurrection. Second hand anecdotes, told and retold for decades after the event. Weak evidence for such a miraculous event.

 

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Do you have any account of miracles from before Jesus' death? Do you have any account of a resurrection from the time of Jesus' death? The Babylonian Talmud was written several centuries after Jesus died so it is safe to say any eyewitnesses were long dead. The earliest Christian writings were Paul's letters and Paul was not an eyewitness to miracles or the resurrection.

Paul doesn't mention any miracles by Jesus but he does relate stories he was told of Jesus' resurrection. Second hand anecdotes, told and retold for decades after the event. Weak evidence for such a miraculous event.

Yeah, it's all recorded in the 24,000 written manuscripts and corroborated by the first Christians who worshipped Jesus as God because he performed supernatural feats.

 

[alang1216]

Yeah, it's all recorded in the 24,000 written manuscripts and corroborated by the first Christians who worshipped Jesus as God because he performed supernatural feats.

1. You mean the 24,000 copies of the copies of the copies of written manuscripts.
2. Some Christians did not consider Jesus divine, odd if he did perform miracles.
3. There are people today who consider Trump divine and he has not performed any supernatural feats I'm aware of. Of course he survived two assassinations attempts so who is to say?

 

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1. You mean the 24,000 copies of the copies of the copies of written manuscripts.
2. Some Christians did not consider Jesus divine, odd if he did perform miracles.
3. There are people today who consider Trump divine and he has not performed any supernatural feats I'm aware of. Of course he survived two assassinations attempts so who is to say?

Yes, those written manuscripts and the historicity of the first Christians worshipping Jesus as God. And the Babylonian Talmud which recorded that Jesus was put to death for sorcery and inciting Israel to apostasy.

Do you know of any written accounts which dispute the miracles performed by Christ or his resurrection or the first Christians worshipping Jesus as God?

 

[alang1216]

Yes, those written manuscripts and the historicity of the first Christians worshipping Jesus as God. And the Babylonian Talmud which recorded that Jesus was put to death for sorcery and inciting Israel to apostasy.

Hearsay, in legal terms, is an out-of-court statement offered as evidence to prove the truth of the matter asserted in the statement. It's generally inadmissible in court because it lacks the reliability of being spoken under oath and being subject to cross-examination by the opposing party.

Do you know of any written accounts which dispute the miracles performed by Christ or his resurrection

Do you know of any contemporaneous written accounts which document the miracles performed by Christ or his resurrection?