Zone1 Sir Lionel Luckhoo

[Meriweather]

Sir Lionel Luckhoo is in the Guinness Book of World Records as the greatest defense attorney of all times, able to win in 245 straight trials. He was an atheist until his mid sixties when he was asked to put his talents to work on proving/disproving the case for Jesus's resurrection. After years on this study he said it is unequivocally true that Jesus died and was resurrected. He based his decision on Four E's.

• Early Accounts
• Empty Tomb
• Eyewitness Testimony
• Emerging Church

If you have still have doubts about the resurrection, what are they and why?

 

[BreezeWood]

• Early Accounts
• Empty Tomb
• Eyewitness Testimony
• Emerging Church

they wrote of the account 400 years after the event in the 4th century christian bible which is the only source making the claim - there is no mention of the resurrection in any of the dead sea scrolls. - lawyers are paid to lie, nothing new for the desert religions.

 

[alang1216]

Sir Lionel Luckhoo is in the Guinness Book of World Records as the greatest defense attorney of all times, able to win in 245 straight trials. He was an atheist until his mid sixties when he was asked to put his talents to work on proving/disproving the case for Jesus's resurrection. After years on this study he said it is unequivocally true that Jesus died and was resurrected. He based his decision on Four E's.

• Early Accounts
• Empty Tomb
• Eyewitness Testimony
• Emerging Church

If you have still have doubts about the resurrection, what are they and why?

1. Most cultures/religions have resurrection myths
2. The accounts of Jesus' resurrection differ
3. If Jesus was resurrected why isn't it known from non-Christian sources written at the time?
4. People see what they want to see: Elvis sightings
5. I don't know anyone who has been raised from the dead

 

[Meriweather]

1. Most cultures/religions have resurrection myths
2. The accounts of Jesus' resurrection differ
3. If Jesus was resurrected why isn't it known from non-Christian sources written at the time?
4. People see what they want to see: Elvis sightings
5. I don't know anyone who has been raised from the dead

1. Other cultures/religions have resurrection myths of gods, but not of human beings. Jesus was human.
2. Most accounts of any news story differ as they are written by different people.
3. Tacitus, Josephus, the Talmud, and Lucian all wrote that Jesus had been crucified. They noted Christians had "superstitions" about this and met to worship him.
4. Did Elvis eat, walk, fish with these people?
5. Read up on the most recent findings of the Shroud of Turin.

How do you account for Sir Lionel Luckhoo's findings and conclusions?

 

[jwoodie]

If you have still have doubts about the resurrection, what are they and why?

I have doubts about physical resurrection as it applies to Jesus ascending up to heaven. If heaven is a physical place, where is it? I think it was a spiritual resurrection, which appeared very real to His believers.

 

[alang1216]

1. Other cultures/religions have resurrection myths of gods, but not of human beings. Jesus was human.

Jesus was a demigod, plenty if them got resurrected.
6 Ancient Resurrection Stories

3. Tacitus, Josephus, the Talmud, and Lucian all wrote that Jesus had been crucified. They noted Christians had "superstitions" about this and met to worship him.

Everyone dies, that is hardly news so you'd think all those sources would include any resurrections.

4. Did Elvis eat, walk, fish with these people

Was Jesus the most famous personality of his day?

5. Read up on the most recent findings of the Shroud of Turin.

Everyone dies

How do you account for Sir Lionel Luckhoo's findings and conclusions?

He was mistaken.

 

[Meriweather]

Jesus was a demigod, plenty if them got resurrected.

No, Jesus is not a demigod.

Everyone dies, that is hardly news so you'd think all those sources would include any resurrections

They were not eyewitnesses, and the simply dismissed the resurrection as a superstition.

Was Jesus the most famous personality of his day?

No.

Everyone dies

Yes, as did Jesus.

He was mistaken.

He spent three years of in depth research from a legal standpoint. Where did he make a mistake?

 

[alang1216]

No, Jesus is not a demigod.

dem·i·god
/ˈdemēˌɡäd/
noun
a being with partial or lesser divine status, such as a minor deity, the offspring of a god and a mortal, or a mortal raised to divine rank.
"some Roman emperors claimed descent from demigods such as Hercules"

They were not eyewitnesses, and the simply dismissed the resurrection as a superstition.

You know they simply dismissed the resurrection as a superstition? How do you know?

He spent three years of in depth research from a legal standpoint. Where did he make a mistake?

Was he a Biblical scholar? Did he read Hebrew, Greek, and Latin?

 

[Meriweather]

dem·i·god
/ˈdemēˌɡäd/
noun
a being with partial or lesser divine status, such as a minor deity, the offspring of a god and a mortal, or a mortal raised to divine rank.
"some Roman emperors claimed descent from demigods such as Hercules"

I spent my childhood reading Greek and Roman myths...demi-gods galore. I've spent more time studying the life of Christ. To me, it's readily apparent you have done neither. You say you see a couple of similarities. Now look at the truckload of differences.

 

[alang1216]

I spent my childhood reading Greek and Roman myths...demi-gods galore. I've spent more time studying the life of Christ. To me, it's readily apparent you have done neither. You say you see a couple of similarities. Now look at the truckload of differences.

So you either redefine the word 'demigod' or deny Jesus' parents. Which one?

I'd say I know more about the history of Christianity than most Christians I know.

 

[Meriweather]

So you either redefine the word 'demigod' or deny Jesus' parents. Which one?

I'd say I know more about the history of Christianity than most Christians I know.

As I said, I take into account the differences. Yes, you do know the history of Christianity better than many Christians...but is that saying a lot?

 

[alang1216]

As I said, I take into account the differences. Yes, you do know the history of Christianity better than many Christians...but is that saying a lot?

Why is it that people who believe the Bible is the word of God don't make the effort to understand it?

 

[ding]

Why is it that people who believe the Bible is the word of God don't make the effort to understand it?

When you can tell me why the woman at the well was alone you can make that statement. Because you only think you know scripture but your understanding of scripture is shallow, self serving and devoid of reality.

 

[alang1216]

When you can tell me why the woman at the well was alone you can make that statement. Because you only think you know scripture but your understanding of scripture is shallow, self serving and devoid of reality.

If you read back through the thread you'll see my claim was regarding the HISTORY of the Bible. The theology I leave to believers.

 

[ding]

If you read back through the thread you'll see my claim was regarding the HISTORY of the Bible. The theology I leave to believers.

I'm not talking about theology. There's no theology involved in why she went to the well alone. That's entirely context of the times. Something you are unable to grasp because you aren't interested in discovering what any of the bibles authors are trying to convey. You're just looking for confirmation of your bias so you can see yourself as superior to the rubes.

 

[ding]

Sir Lionel Luckhoo is in the Guinness Book of World Records as the greatest defense attorney of all times, able to win in 245 straight trials. He was an atheist until his mid sixties when he was asked to put his talents to work on proving/disproving the case for Jesus's resurrection. After years on this study he said it is unequivocally true that Jesus died and was resurrected. He based his decision on Four E's.

• Early Accounts
• Empty Tomb
• Eyewitness Testimony
• Emerging Church

If you have still have doubts about the resurrection, what are they and why?

Without ever knowing of Sir Lionel Luckhoo I pretty much followed his process and came to the same conclusion. I did what many of the posters here never thought of doing... I looked.

 

[Meriweather]

Why is it that people who believe the Bible is the word of God don't make the effort to understand it?

Time.

There is only so much time in a day, and it takes years, decades to even begin to properly understand. Say someone puts in decades of time, what do they get but the realization that there is still decades more to learn.

Also, many people say they became atheists from reading the Bible. Why put oneself in danger of becoming an atheist? Others study and then went into religious life. What if one doesn't want to go into religious life? Why put oneself in that danger?

Take a look at yourself. I've done a lot of research on Greek and Roman mythologies and a lot of research on Jesus. I know exactly where your research stopped because you are satisfied Jesus is just another demi-god. You think I haven't done enough research because I don't understand Jesus is "just another demi-god."

The difference between you and I is that you studied up to the point where you feel you have learned the answer. I've studied beyond that point and learned all the answers are beyond our grasp. Every so often we can get a peek at part of the puzzle, and it is beyond amazing. And then it slips away, as everything around us and even about ourselves is always in motion.

 

[luiza]

The pathetic lengths a Cultist Will go to —- just to try and convince himself that his Cognitive Rigidity remains sound .
What a Numpty OP

 

[TheInfiniteSadness]

Without ever knowing of Sir Lionel Luckhoo I pretty much followed his process and came to the same conclusion. I did what many of the posters here never thought of doing... I looked.

What did you look at? If you followed his process than you had to read something. Do you have any links that support your conclusions?

 

[ding]

What did you look at? If you followed his process than you had to read something. Do you have any links that support your conclusions?

I looked at the evidence. The first Christians who witnessed the supernatural acts performed by Jesus - which included controlling matter, controlling nature, healing physical deformities, healing diseases, raising the dead and resurrecting himself from death - worshiped Jesus as God because they witnessed those miracles. Non-Christian historians recorded that the first Christians worshiped Jesus as God because he performed supernatural feats. 24,000 written manuscripts documented the supernatural feats Jesus performed and the first Christians witnessed. The Babylonian Talmud confirms Jewish religious leaders put Jesus to death for sorcery and for leading Israel into apostasy. There are no opposing accounts that document that Jesus did not perform any supernatural acts. There are no opposing accounts that argue Jesus wasn't put to death for performing sorcery and inciting Israel to apostasy. There are no opposing accounts which document Jesus wasn't resurrected. There are no opposing accounts that the first Christians didn't witness Jesus performing supernatural acts. There are no opposing accounts that document the first Christians didn't worship Jesus as God.