Since when does the Catholic Church have the right to force their religious values...

[ScreamingEagle]

What part of take Obamacare and shove it up your ass don't you understand?

glad you agree.....however the rest of your talk doesn't seem to match...

It is called context.

you never answered my earlier question.....why shouldn't religious folks who belong to a religious group get a tax exemption......if they choose to use Christian facilities instead of secular facilities....?

 

[Mustang]

Just because a religious institution serves the public does not mean the institution must become secular...

Just because a religious institution receives state aid does not mean it must dance to the secular tune...

Just beause a religious institution hires non-Catholics does not mean it must become non-Catholic in nature...

Sure, lets use state funds to serve the public in order to push a religious view.

What part of the 1st Amendment don't you understand?

p.s. thank you for bringing this conversation back to the OP.

They are not pushing a religious view...

they are not offering something that goes against their religious view.....

If Catholics who work for Catholic-run organizations (which aren't churches, by the way) don't want to avail themselves of birth control* or birth control benefits under a health plan, they don't have to, and they won't be forced to do so. Non Catholics should have the option to avail themselves of birth control options just like other Americans do.

*I think that everyone understands that Catholics routinely use birth control, despite the teachings of the Church.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Why does the Catholic Church want to control the sexual behavior of its parishioners?

Isn't what goes on in the bedroom of adults married to each other none of the business of clerics?

Why is so there so much concern with sexual matters by those who have taken an oath of celibacy?

Might the reason be very simple. Might the bishops and those who they report to care more about bringing more Catholics into the fold then about the health and well being of their moms (Since women play a minor and subservient role in church affairs)?

 

[syrenn]

Sure, lets use state funds to serve the public in order to push a religious view.

What part of the 1st Amendment don't you understand?

p.s. thank you for bringing this conversation back to the OP.

They are not pushing a religious view...

they are not offering something that goes against their religious view.....

BS, ******* BS.

Are you for real?

not offering to pay for birth control, abortions or sex changes..... is not forcing someone to do anything.

Individuals are more then welcome to pay for birth control, procure an abortion and sex change from a hospital that DOES offer it.

 

[The T]

So, you have a number?

Not very bright, are you?

link?

Idiot.

 

[del]

How many hospitals in MA qualify for this?

google is your friend, and i'm not your researcher.

So, you have a number?

yes, i do

 

[California Girl]

Why does the Catholic Church want to control the sexual behavior of its parishioners?

Isn't what goes on in the bedroom of adults married to each other none of the business of clerics?

Why is so there so much concern with sexual matters by those who have taken an oath of celibacy?

Might the reason be very simple. Might the bishops and those who they report to care more about bringing more Catholics into the fold then about the health and well being of their moms (Since women play a minor and subservient role in church affairs)?

The only ones obsessed with 'controlling' others is your ******* halfwitted messiah.

 

[The T]

Why does the Catholic Church want to control the sexual behavior of its parishioners?

Isn't what goes on in the bedroom of adults married to each other none of the business of clerics?

Why is so there so much concern with sexual matters by those who have taken an oath of celibacy?

Might the reason be very simple. Might the bishops and those who they report to care more about bringing more Catholics into the fold then about the health and well being of their moms (Since women play a minor and subservient role in church affairs)?

The only ones obsessed with 'controlling' others is your ******* halfwitted messiah.

Wry scratcher would try to look back but the leash on him by the Statists is too tight...he can't see whom is holding it, and it gets yanked if he tries.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Why does the Catholic Church want to control the sexual behavior of its parishioners?

Isn't what goes on in the bedroom of adults married to each other none of the business of clerics?

Why is so there so much concern with sexual matters by those who have taken an oath of celibacy?

Might the reason be very simple. Might the bishops and those who they report to care more about bringing more Catholics into the fold then about the health and well being of their moms (Since women play a minor and subservient role in church affairs)?

it's called a belief system....

Catholics believe that sex is not a commodity.....it is an intrinsic part of being a family....and life is sacred...

"free sex" has been causing our country a myriad of problems...

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

What part don't you understand....?

If Obama and the Left gets away with forcing Catholic institutions to become "secular".....the next thing will be to rip off all the crosses....

Nonsense and hyperbole – Catholic-affiliated employers already function in a secular capacity.

The First Amendment prevents to government from forcing its morals on U.S. citizens. It specifically prevents the government from interfering with the practices of any religion. . Is he insane or simply simple in the head?

No, the First Amendment restricts government excess with regard to exercising a faith; and it restricts government from conjoining with a religion or otherwise promoting religion.

Since none of the above is in play with regard to the healthcare requirement, there is no potential First Amendment violation.

Would the Federal Government intervene if a priest, rabbi or minister sacrificed a Bald Eagle in Yosemite National Park?

Would the Federal Government intevene if a priest, rabbi or minister chose to marry a five year old girl to an adult male on the shore of Yellowstone Lake, in Yellowstond NP?

Would Federal Officers ignore an orthodox Sikh wearing a kirpan upon entering the chambers of the HoR or the Senate?

Correct.

No right is absolute, government may restrict religious practice once it demonstrates a compelling, rational reason to do so, such as forcing a child to marry an adult.

 

[del]

Let's recap. Romneycare is great for the heavily Catholic state of Massachusetts, but Obamacare is wrong for Catholics.

Spin much?

(c) This section shall not apply to a subscription certificate under an individual or group medical service agreement delivered, issued or renewed under this chapter if that subscription certificate is purchased by an employer that is a church or qualified church-controlled organization, as those terms are defined in 26 U.S.C. section 3121(w)(3)(A) and (B).

General Laws: CHAPTER 176B, Section 4W

stupid much?

How many hospitals in MA qualify for this?

Certainly not Caritas Christi Health Care .

since caritas ceased to exist in 2010, probably not.

have you considered philately?

 

[Lovebears65]

Next Obama will make the Amish get insurance that has these provisions in them.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I have said numerous times times that I am against the mandate.

Try literacy.

Who the **** cares if you are against the mandate?

This is not discrimination, no matter how badly you want it to be...

You're right - you're a broken record...

You want preferential treatment, not equal treatment.

No matter how many times I say this, it doesn't sink in.

That's because you're wrong.

 

[syrenn]

Why does the Catholic Church want to control the sexual behavior of its parishioners?

Isn't what goes on in the bedroom of adults married to each other none of the business of clerics?

Why is so there so much concern with sexual matters by those who have taken an oath of celibacy?

Might the reason be very simple. Might the bishops and those who they report to care more about bringing more Catholics into the fold then about the health and well being of their moms (Since women play a minor and subservient role in church affairs)?

Totally different topics and subjects..

 

[The T]

Next Obama will make the Amish get insurance that has these provisions in them.

And Solar Panels...

 

[ScreamingEagle]

If Obama gets his way... the Catholic Church should start up its own healthcare program......that should reduce the number of Obamacare payees by about 70 million.....

 

[syrenn]

Sure, lets use state funds to serve the public in order to push a religious view.

What part of the 1st Amendment don't you understand?

p.s. thank you for bringing this conversation back to the OP.

They are not pushing a religious view...

they are not offering something that goes against their religious view.....

If Catholics who work for Catholic-run organizations (which aren't churches, by the way) don't want to avail themselves of birth control* or birth control benefits under a health plan, they don't have to, and they won't be forced to do so. Non Catholics should have the option to avail themselves of birth control options just like other Americans do.

*I think that everyone understands that Catholics routinely use birth control, despite the teachings of the Church.

no one is saying they cant avail themselves of birth control and abortions..... the local drug store has condoms.. and a any doctor will write a prescription for the pill..... as with both... you just have to pay for them. The same for abortions.... go get one of you want one.

 

[Fang]

...on their non Catholic employees?

Churches are exempt from the ruling.

However, religious institutions that employ and serve people outside their faith -- hospitals, elementary schools, universities -- have to comply with the requirement to cover birth control if they offer health insurance coverage for employees. That means such Catholic institutions, which employ and serve wide swaths of non-Catholics across the country, will not be exempt, despite church teachings against use of contraception.

Obama Administration's New Contraception Rule Puts Key Catholic Vote at Risk

What gives the Catholic church (or any church, for that matter) the right to force their religious convictions on employees who aren't even catholic?

Prove to me the Catholic Church is forcing people to work for them. Otherwise, STFU!

 

[The T]

They are not pushing a religious view...

they are not offering something that goes against their religious view.....

If Catholics who work for Catholic-run organizations (which aren't churches, by the way) don't want to avail themselves of birth control* or birth control benefits under a health plan, they don't have to, and they won't be forced to do so. Non Catholics should have the option to avail themselves of birth control options just like other Americans do.

*I think that everyone understands that Catholics routinely use birth control, despite the teachings of the Church.

no one is saying they cant avail themselves of birth control and abortions..... the local drug store has condoms.. and a any doctor will write a prescription for the pill..... as with both... you just have to pay for them. The same for abortions.... go get one of you want one.

And the best of all birth control...don't...unless you are going to take on the responsibility of the possible end result...

 

[KGB]

...on their non Catholic employees?

Churches are exempt from the ruling.

However, religious institutions that employ and serve people outside their faith -- hospitals, elementary schools, universities -- have to comply with the requirement to cover birth control if they offer health insurance coverage for employees. That means such Catholic institutions, which employ and serve wide swaths of non-Catholics across the country, will not be exempt, despite church teachings against use of contraception.

Obama Administration's New Contraception Rule Puts Key Catholic Vote at Risk

What gives the Catholic church (or any church, for that matter) the right to force their religious convictions on employees who aren't even catholic?

separation of church & state goes both ways. What right does the Government have to compel the Church to do something against its own moral teachings?