Show Me the Country Where The MAGA/Conservative Government Works. I Dare You.

[Independent thinker]

Liberal democracies have dozens of successful examples. But I am interested in what nations implement the right wing dream of government that Trump's policies desire to implement. Where in the world can we look for successful implementation of right wing principles of government? Surely someone must have examples of these policies working.

Just for thought starters I pulled the rankings of key metrics of success for countries. Surprisingly they are replete with liberal democracies with high taxes, strong welfare states, and high social trust..

Please keep the flame wars to a minimum. Just looking for a discussion on where the right wing is killing it in success world wide.

Happiest Countries in the World: Switzerland, Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Canada, Finland
Healthiest Countries in the World: Spain, Italy, Iceland, Japan, Switzerland, Finland, Norway
Richest Countries in the World: Ireland, Norway, Switzerland, US, some small countries
Most Educated Countries in the World: Japan, Sweden, Switzerland, Germany, Denmark, Canada
Most Free Countries in the World: Switzerland, New Zealand, Denmark, Ireland, Finland, Australia, Sweden, Iceland.
Most Opportunity Countries in the World: Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Netherlands, Switzerland, Germany

By “right-wing dream” I assume we mean:

• Low taxes / small welfare state
• Strong nationalism
• Strict immigration control
• Weak labor protections
• Strong executive power
• Minimal regulation
• Market fundamentalism
• Traditionalist social policy

GO!

Seriously? The most wealth inequality, social injustice, and homelessness is in the dark blue states.

 

[citygator]

Are you really this stupid?

So, no examples?

 

[citygator]

Speaking of shit, the OP's premise went right down the commode!

Really? You have an example of right wing governance at its finest? Let’s see it.

 

[citygator]

The US from 1778 until the great new deal, that fucked it all up.

So no examples?

 

[citygator]

I don't remember any time the Republicans tried to make parts of the Constitution illegal. A democrat can't say the same about democrats.

So no working examples of right wing governance and great outcomes?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

So no examples?

The great new deal was the example.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

So no working examples of right wing governance and great outcomes?

They’re the ones with less government that worked out just fine.

Can you point to a democrat big government solution to anything that’s worked?

We can’t give you examples of right wing government action working when the reason that it worked was there was no government involvement. The best part of right wing governance is the actual lack of government.

 

[Hollie]

Liberal democracies have dozens of successful examples. But I am interested in what nations implement the right wing dream of government that Trump's policies desire to implement. Where in the world can we look for successful implementation of right wing principles of government? Surely someone must have examples of these policies working.

Just for thought starters I pulled the rankings of key metrics of success for countries. Surprisingly they are replete with liberal democracies with high taxes, strong welfare states, and high social trust..

Please keep the flame wars to a minimum. Just looking for a discussion on where the right wing is killing it in success world wide.

Happiest Countries in the World: Switzerland, Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Canada, Finland
Healthiest Countries in the World: Spain, Italy, Iceland, Japan, Switzerland, Finland, Norway
Richest Countries in the World: Ireland, Norway, Switzerland, US, some small countries
Most Educated Countries in the World: Japan, Sweden, Switzerland, Germany, Denmark, Canada
Most Free Countries in the World: Switzerland, New Zealand, Denmark, Ireland, Finland, Australia, Sweden, Iceland.
Most Opportunity Countries in the World: Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Netherlands, Switzerland, Germany

By “right-wing dream” I assume we mean:

• Low taxes / small welfare state
• Strong nationalism
• Strict immigration control
• Weak labor protections
• Strong executive power
• Minimal regulation
• Market fundamentalism
• Traditionalist social policy

GO!

Identify for us where your communist utopias have done anything but grind people into the ground.


GO!

 

[BrokeLoser]

So no working examples of right wing governance and great outcomes?

The whole world has moved left that’s why the whole world is in deep ass shit…The only communities, cities, states and nations not in deep ass shit are predominantly white or Asian and definitely not multicultural….Weird huh?

 

[JohnDB]

 

[Hollie]

Seems like my request for a right wing model is harder than I thought. Hmmm.

Seems like your failed attempt at argument is just another disaster.

 

[Nostra]

Thanks. My OP stands unchallenged.

Your OP has been destroyed, Simp.

 

[JGalt]

Liberal democracies have dozens of successful examples. But I am interested in what nations implement the right wing dream of government that Trump's policies desire to implement. Where in the world can we look for successful implementation of right wing principles of government? Surely someone must have examples of these policies working.

Just for thought starters I pulled the rankings of key metrics of success for countries. Surprisingly they are replete with liberal democracies with high taxes, strong welfare states, and high social trust..

Please keep the flame wars to a minimum. Just looking for a discussion on where the right wing is killing it in success world wide.

Happiest Countries in the World: Switzerland, Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Canada, Finland
Healthiest Countries in the World: Spain, Italy, Iceland, Japan, Switzerland, Finland, Norway
Richest Countries in the World: Ireland, Norway, Switzerland, US, some small countries
Most Educated Countries in the World: Japan, Sweden, Switzerland, Germany, Denmark, Canada
Most Free Countries in the World: Switzerland, New Zealand, Denmark, Ireland, Finland, Australia, Sweden, Iceland.
Most Opportunity Countries in the World: Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Netherlands, Switzerland, Germany

By “right-wing dream” I assume we mean:

• Low taxes / small welfare state
• Strong nationalism
• Strict immigration control
• Weak labor protections
• Strong executive power
• Minimal regulation
• Market fundamentalism
• Traditionalist social policy

GO!

Sure thing: Hungary, India, Iran, Israel, Italy, Japan, Poland, Russia, Singapore, and South Korea.

Oh and might I say, the US.

 

[Hollie]

Liberal democracies have dozens of successful examples. But I am interested in what nations implement the right wing dream of government that Trump's policies desire to implement. Where in the world can we look for successful implementation of right wing principles of government? Surely someone must have examples of these policies working.

Just for thought starters I pulled the rankings of key metrics of success for countries. Surprisingly they are replete with liberal democracies with high taxes, strong welfare states, and high social trust..

Please keep the flame wars to a minimum. Just looking for a discussion on where the right wing is killing it in success world wide.

Happiest Countries in the World: Switzerland, Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Canada, Finland
Healthiest Countries in the World: Spain, Italy, Iceland, Japan, Switzerland, Finland, Norway
Richest Countries in the World: Ireland, Norway, Switzerland, US, some small countries
Most Educated Countries in the World: Japan, Sweden, Switzerland, Germany, Denmark, Canada
Most Free Countries in the World: Switzerland, New Zealand, Denmark, Ireland, Finland, Australia, Sweden, Iceland.
Most Opportunity Countries in the World: Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Netherlands, Switzerland, Germany

By “right-wing dream” I assume we mean:

• Low taxes / small welfare state
• Strong nationalism
• Strict immigration control
• Weak labor protections
• Strong executive power
• Minimal regulation
• Market fundamentalism
• Traditionalist social policy

GO!

What, exactly are “right wing principles of government”?

You spend too much time trolling the Rawstory type tabloids.

 

[Slyhunter]

If the Democrats would get out of the way I could name one.

The key is Work for whom?

 

[HikerGuy83]

Your OP has been destroyed, Simp.

The whole things a load of trash.

First, we get compared to other countries with no chance to see the metrics. They were not presented for review. Just the "results". There isn't a whole of lot of historical information on countries like the United States because there hasn't really been something like us before. In that regard, the request is stupid. Our founders created this after studying, at length, other types of governments and coming up with this which was something somewhat unique in many ways. These other countries (the ones on the list have been around for a long time and have undergone numerous changes to their systems.....). Those who do create the metrics understandabely try to make them fit the most common forms of government in the world. This was the WHO some years ago that ranked the U.S. 37th in the world and just a dirty bandaid above Cuba. That BS (which really was BS for those of us who are familiar with our system) was touted by morons like Al Franken during the Obamacare debate. You know.....like the 57,000 people a year who died every year due to lack of health insurance.....but nobody every produced any frigging names or bodies.

And so, second, we can say there simply are not a lot of United States type of governments around.

The WHO also rates the happiest countries in the world and Finland has been number 1 for the past eight years. Always at the top are Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, and Switzerland. Funny how there is a better chance of cultural factors than governmental factors making that happen given that four of the five are border each other are in the same general area. Also, they have small populations compared to the U.S. and much less diversity. I have not seen (and the OP certainly didn't break it down) what factors are seen as being key to these "successes" (recalling that we might very well disagree with what they call success based on their Health Care Rating cow pie mentioned above).

But hey, it fits the narrative. It has to be because of their form of government. After all, the same result comes from the same form of government EVERY TIME. Only it doesn't. There is much much more at work. I don't have actual data, but I'd be curious to know just what the natural resource situation is for each of them.

Third, as I mentioned....small populations. I know that in Canada, there is quite a disparity between some of the provinces. New Brunskwick is the poorest province while Alberta is known to be wealthier and a bigger contributor to the country. If you pulled New Brunskwick out of the equation, Ottowa would be next. So, even within their 38 million people (about 13% of the US total), there is disparity between the provinces. So, just what is Canada a "good" or "bad" country. I am guessing the people of Alberta would say they are fine....not so sure about the rest of the country.

Austrailia, with 8 to 9% of the U.S population covers about the same land mass as the continental U.S. And they still have disparity too. You can see where that potential exists even with the smaller countries. The point being that the system is not reaching everyone even though the government is responsible for everyone.

So....what it is it?

Simply put, the narrative that this is a single variable equation is BEYOND STUPID. And yet that is the premise of the OP.

Next, the generalizations of metrics used to condemn the U.S. are built for other countries (WHO highly weight access to health care....so the U.S. gets downranked even though we have many of the best doctors, best hospitals, best access to hospitals, etc. etc.....we are still JUST better than CUBA. ROTFLMAO.

There are other things.....I went to Calgary every month for a year on a particular project. There were electoins going on and one of the adds that kept runnning was about the lack of doctors in the province. Why was there a lack of doctors? (this per the commercials)...they were going to the U.S. Canada disputes this, in general, so even they can't get their story straight. And the canadias I worked with liked universal care, but were all to aware of the many inefficiencies it created and were loaded with stories about as much. Just say'n.

A whole political science project summarized into a single variable BS challenge that says "prove me wrong".

I say to the OP......

 

[citygator]

They’re the ones with less government that worked out just fine.

Can you point to a democrat big government solution to anything that’s worked?

We can’t give you examples of right wing government action working when the reason that it worked was there was no government involvement. The best part of right wing governance is the actual lack of government.

Here’s a list of liberal social democracies that consistently rank at or near the top of global outcome metrics — happiness, health, wealth (per capita), freedom, education, social mobility, and stability.

We are behind all these countries in the key metrics other than wealth and military power. We could learn a thing or two from them without scrapping our government.

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1. Norway

• Top 5 globally in happiness, wealth per capita, education, social mobility
• Universal healthcare + generous welfare state
• High social trust + low corruption
• Blended capitalist economy with strong regulations and public ownership of key resources (oil fund)

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2. Denmark

• Often #1 in “opportunity,” equality, trust, and corruption-free governance
• Top-tier education outcomes
• High worker productivity
• Strong welfare state + flexible labor market (“flexicurity”)

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3. Finland

• Usually #1 in global happiness
• Elite education system (top 5 globally)
• Universal healthcare, robust safety nets
• High trust, low crime, strong institutions

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4. Sweden

• High per-capita income, high innovation
• Universal healthcare, free higher education
• Strong social mobility
• Pro-market economy paired with high taxation and social protection

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5. Iceland

• Top 5 in happiness, safety, and equality
• Strong social cohesion and very low corruption
• Universal healthcare + strong worker protections

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6. Netherlands

• Top 10 globally in wealth, health, education, freedom
• Highly productive economy and strong social safety net
• Progressive but stable political system

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7. Canada

• Highly ranked for freedom, education, immigration outcomes
• Universal healthcare
• High quality of life and social mobility
• High per-capita wealth and extremely diverse, peaceful society

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8. Switzerland (Centrist social democracy with unique quirks)

• Top 3 in wealth per capita
• Very high education and innovation
• Hybrid model: market-oriented economy + mandatory healthcare + strong social insurance
• High trust and low crime

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9. Germany

• Strong manufacturing & export economy
• Universal healthcare
• Powerful vocational training system
• High social mobility and strong labor protections

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10. New Zealand

• High rankings in freedom, quality of government, and social trust
• Universal healthcare
• Progressive social protections + competitive market environment

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11. Australia

• High per-capita wealth
• Universal coverage via Medicare
• High immigration + strong educational attainment
• Very safe and stable democracy

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12. Austria

• Strong universal healthcare and education
• High social mobility
• Very low poverty
• Strong economy and worker protections

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13. Belgium

• Strong healthcare system
• High GDP per capita
• Highly educated population
• Robust welfare state

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14. France

• Elite healthcare system ranked among world’s best
• Longest life expectancy in EU
• High productivity

 

[citygator]

They’re the ones with less government that worked out just fine.

Can you point to a democrat big government solution to anything that’s worked?

We can’t give you examples of right wing government action working when the reason that it worked was there was no government involvement. The best part of right wing governance is the actual lack of government.

So I listed a lot of countries doing better with social policies left of us. You cant name a right wing example because RIGHT WING GOVERNMENT RESULTS IN FAILURE AND WORSE OUTCOMES.

 

[citygator]

The whole things a load of trash.

First, we get compared to other countries with no chance to see the metrics. They were not presented for review. Just the "results". There isn't a whole of lot of historical information on countries like the United States because there hasn't really been something like us before. In that regard, the request is stupid. Our founders created this after studying, at length, other types of governments and coming up with this which was something somewhat unique in many ways. These other countries (the ones on the list have been around for a long time and have undergone numerous changes to their systems.....). Those who do create the metrics understandabely try to make them fit the most common forms of government in the world. This was the WHO some years ago that ranked the U.S. 37th in the world and just a dirty bandaid above Cuba. That BS (which really was BS for those of us who are familiar with our system) was touted by morons like Al Franken during the Obamacare debate. You know.....like the 57,000 people a year who died every year due to lack of health insurance.....but nobody every produced any frigging names or bodies.

Use any ranking or measures you want. The same countries appear at the top.

And so, second, we can say there simply are not a lot of United States type of governments around.

The WHO also rates the happiest countries in the world and Finland has been number 1 for the past eight years. Always at the top are Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, and Switzerland. Funny how there is a better chance of cultural factors than governmental factors making that happen given that four of the five are border each other are in the same general area. Also, they have small populations compared to the U.S. and much less diversity. I have not seen (and the OP certainly didn't break it down) what factors are seen as being key to these "successes" (recalling that we might very well disagree with what they call success based on their Health Care Rating cow pie mentioned above).

There are plenty of small homogeneous countries doing poorly with other forms of government. These are excelling because of their government and their resources. If white homogeneous worked then Russia would be killing it. Its not because of the government sucking.

But hey, it fits the narrative. It has to be because of their form of government. After all, the same result comes from the same form of government EVERY TIME. Only it doesn't. There is much much more at work. I don't have actual data, but I'd be curious to know just what the natural resource situation is for each of them.

Natural resources matter or sure. But we have great resources and can be among the great countries with better social support for the populations that doesnt result in high child poverty, economic inequality, high crime, and low social mobility.

Third, as I mentioned....small populations. I know that in Canada, there is quite a disparity between some of the provinces. New Brunskwick is the poorest province while Alberta is known to be wealthier and a bigger contributor to the country. If you pulled New Brunskwick out of the equation, Ottowa would be next. So, even within their 38 million people (about 13% of the US total), there is disparity between the provinces. So, just what is Canada a "good" or "bad" country. I am guessing the people of Alberta would say they are fine....not so sure about the rest of the country.

There are plenty of failing small countries. There are only a handful of bigger countries than the US and none of them run a liberal social democracy if you are looking for someone bigger than the US. Russia/China failing at communism, India failing at electoral autocracy. Most other bigger population countries are authoritarian or corrupt. We are sliding that way sadly.

Next, the generalizations of metrics used to condemn the U.S. are built for other countries (WHO highly weight access to health care....so the U.S. gets downranked even though we have many of the best doctors, best hospitals, best access to hospitals, etc. etc.....we are still JUST better than CUBA. ROTFLMAO.

Access to care fore the rich is good for the rich. The access to the average American and the poor is the issue. That is how rankings work. They dont take just the best outcomes for the best people. They look at the overall impact.

There are other things.....I went to Calgary every month for a year on a particular project. There were electoins going on and one of the adds that kept runnning was about the lack of doctors in the province. Why was there a lack of doctors? (this per the commercials)...they were going to the U.S. Canada disputes this, in general, so even they can't get their story straight. And the canadias I worked with liked universal care, but were all to aware of the many inefficiencies it created and were loaded with stories about as much. Just say'n.

A whole political science project summarized into a single variable BS challenge that says "prove me wrong".

I say to the OP......

No country is perfect. We are talking about overall outcomes and I used the most important ones: happiness, social mobility, education, healthcare, freedom, opportunity. I could have thrown in crime too i guess.

 

[SweetSue92]

Liberal democracies have dozens of successful examples. But I am interested in what nations implement the right wing dream of government that Trump's policies desire to implement. Where in the world can we look for successful implementation of right wing principles of government? Surely someone must have examples of these policies working.

Just for thought starters I pulled the rankings of key metrics of success for countries. Surprisingly they are replete with liberal democracies with high taxes, strong welfare states, and high social trust..

Please keep the flame wars to a minimum. Just looking for a discussion on where the right wing is killing it in success world wide.

Happiest Countries in the World: Switzerland, Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Canada, Finland
Healthiest Countries in the World: Spain, Italy, Iceland, Japan, Switzerland, Finland, Norway
Richest Countries in the World: Ireland, Norway, Switzerland, US, some small countries
Most Educated Countries in the World: Japan, Sweden, Switzerland, Germany, Denmark, Canada
Most Free Countries in the World: Switzerland, New Zealand, Denmark, Ireland, Finland, Australia, Sweden, Iceland.
Most Opportunity Countries in the World: Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Netherlands, Switzerland, Germany

By “right-wing dream” I assume we mean:

• Low taxes / small welfare state
• Strong nationalism
• Strict immigration control
• Weak labor protections
• Strong executive power
• Minimal regulation
• Market fundamentalism
• Traditionalist social policy

GO!

Early America, especially in the 1800s, and many conservative states.

You are looking for examples but in reality, they're hard to come by because most humans don't want freedom. Not really. They want to be taken care of, even if that means a loss of personal freedoms.

So in a sense conservatives are always fighting against the nature of most. But on your side, it's too easy to fall into dictatorships, monarchies and totalitarians when you farm out your God-given freedoms.