Show Me the Country Where The MAGA/Conservative Government Works. I Dare You.

[IM2]

Lockback, what I said is historical fact. You claim to have a history degree, but apparently you never studied the history of colonization and imperialism

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Liberal democracies have dozens of successful examples. But I am interested in what nations implement the right wing dream of government that Trump's policies desire to implement. Where in the world can we look for successful implementation of right wing principles of government? Surely someone must have examples of these policies working.

Just for thought starters I pulled the rankings of key metrics of success for countries. Surprisingly they are replete with liberal democracies with high taxes, strong welfare states, and high social trust..

Please keep the flame wars to a minimum. Just looking for a discussion on where the right wing is killing it in success world wide.

Happiest Countries in the World: Switzerland, Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Canada, Finland
Healthiest Countries in the World: Spain, Italy, Iceland, Japan, Switzerland, Finland, Norway
Richest Countries in the World: Ireland, Norway, Switzerland, US, some small countries
Most Educated Countries in the World: Japan, Sweden, Switzerland, Germany, Denmark, Canada
Most Free Countries in the World: Switzerland, New Zealand, Denmark, Ireland, Finland, Australia, Sweden, Iceland.
Most Opportunity Countries in the World: Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Netherlands, Switzerland, Germany

By “right-wing dream” I assume we mean:

• Low taxes / small welfare state
• Strong nationalism
• Strict immigration control
• Weak labor protections
• Strong executive power
• Minimal regulation
• Market fundamentalism
• Traditionalist social policy

GO!

The US from 1778 until the great new deal, that fucked it all up.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Lockback, what I said is historical fact. You claim to have a history degree, but apparently you never studied the history of colonization and imperialism

Without either of those you would be in Africa with a grass skirt and a bone in your nose. The lucky Africans had family members brought to white countries or had their country taken over by white people. It’s really the only two ways any blacks have been able to live life outside the Neanderthal lifestyle. You should be thankful.

 

[HikerGuy83]

You still cant list out a country that demonstrates right wing policies that is successful.

Just one and it's all that matters.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Those countries have a much more generous welfare state than the US.

I think I've said that repeatedly. Having traveled to many wand gotten the perspective of locals has been very helpfu. I like a lot of what I see and hear about in the lapland countries.

Funny you watch an action flick and think you know foreign culture.

Funny I never said I learned anything from an action flick. Are you drinking?

Those countries are no where near your right wing dream of a country.

You have no clue what my dream of a country is. However, I am very appreciative of the social structure that these countries have and how it is constantly reinforced from an early age.

They hate your ideas and implement the opposite

And that would not be my experience. So, if you have some data to back up that they hate our ideas.....please share. They simply have what they consider to be successful programs and I would agree with them. They also (and not always with delight) say there is a price for it. That they generally feel is acceptable.

so dont try to draft off their ideas and act like they are aligned with your bullshit.

This was a statement about culture, your moron. They were countries long before we existed. Now you are just making stuff up. Why don't you learn to read, asshole

The US has worse outcomes compared to the best countries.

Yes, I forget. You use a single statistic to describe a population of 340,000,000 people (multi cultural "melting pot") to compare to a country of 5,000,000 that has a pretty defined cultural history that has been around for a lot longer than the U.S. has existed. And you call yourself a data guy. **** off.

It has really good outcomes though, just not the best.

Yep. across quite a spectrum. Why don't you compare you best state to one of these countries. They might about the same population.

This country can use people like me that try to be the best vs people like you who want to just cheer about failings.

Don't flatter yourself. You ain't that good.

My pursuit of better results has landed me a top 0.5% paying job.

Hahahhahahaha....I have a technical background that gets me close to that too. But I hate managers in the country because they suck and have no mind or willpower. I don't find your claim anything to be proud of. It just means you probably have your lips fixed on someone's ass. Corporate America is awful. You can't tell where government stops and large private industry begins. They are so incestuous.

Fail.

Again. This thread asks what countries have been successful with right wing policies. This thread is bereft of answers.

The premise of the thread has already been challenged, but you have to keep talking as if your claims were legitimate. We've already discussed, in some detail, how some things don't apply and how others are based on metrics that are weighted against the U.S to begin with.

For a data guy, you suck at argument and analysis.

 

[HikerGuy83]

AMERICA

When we cut taxes and spending, the economy prospers, the debt/deficit goes down, and America wins.

Sincerely,

Newt Gingrich and the pre 1998 pre Fox News conservative pro America Republican Party

And this was my experience when working in a multinational where we had people from some of these countries move here. I happen to be impressed with their countries and asked them why they chose to come here. One common answer was to point to the house they live in now vs the house they lived in there and to say "I am getting a lot more house and land that what I had for less money". Now this was several years ago so I don't know what life is like now.

And maybe they were more greedy (in a couple of instances I could tell there was a high degree of materialism and it seemed like culture did not matter).

But I don't think they found the U.S. a failure.

Again, little of this had to do with the government because our government doesn't do what their did. And they seemed to like that idea.

 

[HikerGuy83]

The US has much better education results in Blue states than Red states.

Once again, this statement is meaningless for a number of reasons that have been repeated.

But this seems to be your love so hold to it.

It's bullshit, but keep at it.

 

[MarathonMike]

Liberal democracies have dozens of successful examples. But I am interested in what nations implement the right wing dream of government that Trump's policies desire to implement. Where in the world can we look for successful implementation of right wing principles of government? Surely someone must have examples of these policies working.

Just for thought starters I pulled the rankings of key metrics of success for countries. Surprisingly they are replete with liberal democracies with high taxes, strong welfare states, and high social trust..

Please keep the flame wars to a minimum. Just looking for a discussion on where the right wing is killing it in success world wide.

Happiest Countries in the World: Switzerland, Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Canada, Finland
Healthiest Countries in the World: Spain, Italy, Iceland, Japan, Switzerland, Finland, Norway
Richest Countries in the World: Ireland, Norway, Switzerland, US, some small countries
Most Educated Countries in the World: Japan, Sweden, Switzerland, Germany, Denmark, Canada
Most Free Countries in the World: Switzerland, New Zealand, Denmark, Ireland, Finland, Australia, Sweden, Iceland.
Most Opportunity Countries in the World: Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Netherlands, Switzerland, Germany

By “right-wing dream” I assume we mean:

• Low taxes / small welfare state
• Strong nationalism
• Strict immigration control
• Weak labor protections
• Strong executive power
• Minimal regulation
• Market fundamentalism
• Traditionalist social policy

GO!

You are clearly an America hater, why do you live in Charlotte? Look at all those "happiest countries" you listed. Pick one and stop torturing yourself here.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Well folks, the OP (as is usual) is formulating an argument that doesn't do enough in terms of defining things.

First, we can look at the happiest countries in the world. This is based on a WHO judgement that surveys the population and then applies their criteria to the evaluation. They heavily weigh things like social safety nets and trust in the government.

I won't argue with them on those points, but I will say that such a comparison purposely pushes the US down the list (where it has pretty much been the entire time they've done this). It's also an average quality of life. In those countries you simply don't have the span from the poor to the rich that the U.S. has.

Another variable is generorsity of the general population.

The United States is loaded with people who have become very greedy.

Finally, you are talking about countries that often have population of between 5 and 15 million people. We have metro areas bigger than that.

So, maybe they should look at individual states.

Of course, if you use their criteria, most blue states would come out on top.

So, there is much more to this than the loaded question that was asked in the OP.

Which, again, isn't unusual for the moron who posted it..

Well just push this one forward as it seems our OP isn't interested in anything except a response to a flawed OP.

Just what is successful?

Hmmmmm.....

 

[HikerGuy83]

Interesting that the US, which clearly isnt great according to rankings of almost every metric, otherwise MAGA wouldnt have to say MAKE it great AGAIN.

Metrics we don't get to pick or set weighting factors for. Metrics that are designed for the more "common" type of government.

And of course, like most left wingers.....if something is good, it's the fault of the government.

It simply can't be that people are culturally set up to accept and work that way.

It HAS to be the government.

Holy stupid assed morons Battman.

 

[Rawley]

Whites have messed up other countries. And today white countries are still extracting the resources from those countries. White governments have also used covert actions to install puppets who would do the bidding of corporations in white countries. White governments have kept entire regions destabilized so corporations could make money.

Your racism is disgusting. I remember why I had you on iggie Your racism makes me sick, I can't believe it exists in 2025.

I hope you cure yourself and have a blessed life.

 

[HikerGuy83]

We should also rate them on the percentage of great looking, in shape women.

As Jim Gaffigan said: "Sweden is a country full of Scarlett Johansens".

What do we have anymore?

I looked at obeseity in the U.S. and found it's even worse than what I thought.

We certainly are not successful there.

And it's all the governments fault....right?

 

[Natural Citizen]

Hate to break it to you, but the United States is a Constitutional Republic,, not a Democracy

Technically, the proper and correct way to describe America's form of government is that of a ''compound republic.''

See Federalist # 51 by Madison...for starters.

But it's alright.

Hardly anybody ever gets it right.

 

[badbob85037]

Liberal democracies have dozens of successful examples. But I am interested in what nations implement the right wing dream of government that Trump's policies desire to implement. Where in the world can we look for successful implementation of right wing principles of government? Surely someone must have examples of these policies working.

Just for thought starters I pulled the rankings of key metrics of success for countries. Surprisingly they are replete with liberal democracies with high taxes, strong welfare states, and high social trust..

Please keep the flame wars to a minimum. Just looking for a discussion on where the right wing is killing it in success world wide.

Happiest Countries in the World: Switzerland, Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Canada, Finland
Healthiest Countries in the World: Spain, Italy, Iceland, Japan, Switzerland, Finland, Norway
Richest Countries in the World: Ireland, Norway, Switzerland, US, some small countries
Most Educated Countries in the World: Japan, Sweden, Switzerland, Germany, Denmark, Canada
Most Free Countries in the World: Switzerland, New Zealand, Denmark, Ireland, Finland, Australia, Sweden, Iceland.
Most Opportunity Countries in the World: Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Netherlands, Switzerland, Germany

By “right-wing dream” I assume we mean:

• Low taxes / small welfare state
• Strong nationalism
• Strict immigration control
• Weak labor protections
• Strong executive power
• Minimal regulation
• Market fundamentalism
• Traditionalist social policy

GO!

I don't remember any time the Republicans tried to make parts of the Constitution illegal. A democrat can't say the same about democrats.

 

[badbob85037]

Over double the predicted job numbers produced last month. So the entire United States are experiencing the Trump experience.

More people every day don't want a job. It would affect their government benefits.

 

[Marchimedes]

I looked at obeseity in the U.S. and found it's even worse than what I thought.

Well, we do have a lot of food. Could be worse.

 

[ronald b nottingham]

By “right-wing dream” I assume we mean:

• Low taxes / small welfare state
• Strong nationalism
• Strict immigration control
• Weak labor protections
• Strong executive power
• Minimal regulation
• Market fundamentalism
• Traditionalist social policy

GO!

You didn't quantify "right wing dream," let alone correlate it with your rankings. Your assertion--at this point--is just a theory.

 

[Hafar1014]

No, those are not better examples, that's right-wing bs. The mayor is one vote on the city council. But if you want to play this game, small Republican run towns are more corrupt, have higher crime on a per capita basis than large cities, declining populations, lack of jobs, lower incomes, and many of them are basically s-holes. Republicans control Congress and the white house. If what Republicans offered was so great, the country would be thriving right now. But it isn't, so talking about cities is just you running away from the truth that what MAGA/Right-wingers believe does not work.

Blue State Cities See Largest Population Loss As Red State Cities Boom

When looking at the major metropolitans areas that have experienced the greatest population gains and losses since 2020, some see important policy lessons to be gleaned.

www.forbes.com

Using Census Bureau data, the Brookings Institution published the following chart in July, which shows the five major metro areas in the U.S. that have experienced the greatest population gains since 2020: Dallas, Houston, Phoenix, Atlanta, and Austin. The five cities with the biggest population decline during that same period include New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, and San Jose.

Talking BS again arent you

 

[HikerGuy83]

You didn't quantify "right wing dream," let alone correlate it with your rankings. Your assertion--at this point--is just a theory.

Not to mention the inclusion of failures and other significant components (i.e. is the "success" (whatever that means) really a function of the government alone or are there other reasons)).

 

[kc48]

Liberal democracies have dozens of successful examples. But I am interested in what nations implement the right wing dream of government that Trump's policies desire to implement. Where in the world can we look for successful implementation of right wing principles of government? Surely someone must have examples of these policies working.

Just for thought starters I pulled the rankings of key metrics of success for countries. Surprisingly they are replete with liberal democracies with high taxes, strong welfare states, and high social trust..

Please keep the flame wars to a minimum. Just looking for a discussion on where the right wing is killing it in success world wide.

Happiest Countries in the World: Switzerland, Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Canada, Finland
Healthiest Countries in the World: Spain, Italy, Iceland, Japan, Switzerland, Finland, Norway
Richest Countries in the World: Ireland, Norway, Switzerland, US, some small countries
Most Educated Countries in the World: Japan, Sweden, Switzerland, Germany, Denmark, Canada
Most Free Countries in the World: Switzerland, New Zealand, Denmark, Ireland, Finland, Australia, Sweden, Iceland.
Most Opportunity Countries in the World: Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Netherlands, Switzerland, Germany

By “right-wing dream” I assume we mean:

• Low taxes / small welfare state
• Strong nationalism
• Strict immigration control
• Weak labor protections
• Strong executive power
• Minimal regulation
• Market fundamentalism
• Traditionalist social policy

GO!