Show Me the Country Where The MAGA/Conservative Government Works. I Dare You.

[citygator]

We should do this for this site. I bet most of the right wing trolls here are foreign actors.

 

[JohnDB]

We should do this for this site. I bet most of the right wing trolls here are foreign actors.

 

[JohnDB]

We should do this for this site. I bet most of the right wing trolls here are foreign actors.

I actually agree with you.

We cannot have an honest discussion about American politics and issues when foreign actors are constantly intruding themselves in the discussion and lying constantly.

It's no different from having an American election held in Pakistan.

 

[citygator]

I actually agree with you.

We cannot have an honest discussion about American politics and issues when foreign actors are constantly intruding themselves in the discussion and lying constantly.

It's no different from having an American election held in Pakistan.

 

[JohnDB]

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I was not attacking your personal authenticity.

But....

Both sides have been infiltrated and manipulated the discussions.

The actors are coming from everywhere. Africa, Albania, Phillipines, and Canada.

 

[citygator]

I was not attacking your personal authenticity.

But....

Both sides have been infiltrated and manipulated the discussions.

The actors are coming from everywhere. Africa, Albania, Phillipines, and Canada.

I know. I was just kidding.

 

[JohnDB]

I know. I was just kidding.

You are one of a handful of liberals I do converse with....because I do believe that you are an American. I may not agree with your perspectives perfectly but sometimes you do shift what I see as being a better position to hold.

There are ALWAYS unintended consequences of any decision....and people that might get injured by a decision made in haste.

However, I definitely do not want a decision made that is detrimental to America based upon phoney ideals from outside our borders.

Privilege without responsibility is something every citizen in every nation dislikes.

 

[mac allen]

Really? You have an example of right wing governance at its finest? Let’s see it.

Is this even serious? You haven't even quantified your "right wing government" criteria, let alone correlate it with your rankings list. Do that, and I'll be happy to discuss it with you.

 

[citygator]

Is this even serious? You haven't even quantified your "right wing government" criteria, let alone correlate it with your rankings list. Do that, and I'll be happy to discuss it with you.

Listen. I have posted a lot of data showing that the top counties in the world are liberal social democracies with high taxes, strong welfare states, and high trust societies. Feel free to provide your own list of top countries in the world and we can look at their government.

Regardless NO ONE has provided a single example of right wing policies working. The few who tried either said the US (which isnt top ranked and isnt a full right wing model) or they said Poland (which isnt highly ranked - its mostly middle ranked so not bad, its also a high tax, large welfare state with universal healthcare and college educations whose rankings have fallen since moving right, like the US).

 

[mac allen]

Listen. I have posted a lot of data showing that the top counties in the world are liberal social democracies with high taxes, strong welfare states, and high trust societies. Feel free to provide your own list of top countries in the world and we can look at their government.

Regardless NO ONE has provided a single example of right wing policies working. The few who tried either said the US (which isnt top ranked and isnt a full right wing model) or they said Poland (which isnt highly ranked - its mostly middle ranked so not bad, its also a high tax, large welfare state with universal healthcare and college educations whose rankings have fallen since moving right, like the US).

LOL. You have two variables. You quantified one, but not the other. Your first step is to quantify "right wing." Your second step is to correlate that with your first variable of rankings. Do that, abandon your feelings, and maybe someone will actually listen to you.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Use any ranking or measures you want. The same countries appear at the top.

So what?

If the rankings use the same weighting factors and inputs for their analysis, it does not matter.

Measures? Like what? Population.....? China and India win. What are you talking about?

There are plenty of small homogeneous countries doing poorly with other forms of government. These are excelling because of their government and their resources. If white homogeneous worked then Russia would be killing it. Its not because of the government sucking.

Once again, an appeal to your single variable.

You can flush that with the rest of your argument.

Natural resources matter or sure. But we have great resources and can be among the great countries with better social support for the populations that doesnt result in high child poverty, economic inequality, high crime, and low social mobility.

Hahahaha You just keep coming back to the same tired argument. We don't have the resources they have or else we would not be counting on other countries for so much.

Social support isn't just a function of government. It is also highly dependent upon community and committment to other basic features (such as culture). We don't have a single culture. Unless you consider entitlement a culture.

Anyone who doesn't think we hae issues with child poverty, economic inequality, and high crime would a be a fool. But that isn't because our government is any less effective than theirs is. It simply has a different set of goals and objectives. Our country grew on the idea that individuals, families and communities were the priority and that all government needed to do was to give them a safe environment to flourish. Well, they flourished allright. And have become a bunch of whiny entitled brats. I don't see that in the countries that rank high on the list. As I've mentioned dozens of times, they seem to have a sense of gratefulness for what they have and they are not beholden to other golden calves like we are.

Access to care fore the rich is good for the rich. The access to the average American and the poor is the issue. That is how rankings work. They dont take just the best outcomes for the best people. They look at the overall impact.

That's the point. They weigh things so that some factors are made to look like they have much greater impact than they actually do (for us). It doesn't matter to other countries that approach it the same. But we are an outlier and are hurt by their weighting system (weve known that since we showed up as 37th on the list which is total BS.

We have had and still have the best technology and the best trained doctors in the world. If health care is your only concern and you trust the WHO, Cuba isn't that far from N.C. Enjoy.

No country is perfect.

Country? I've already brought up the fact that we have states that are almost as big as Canada. And we have plenty the size of Finland. I have not even tried to look for an analysis of outcomes at the state level. But I have seen analysis of costs at even the country level that show just how crazy and stupid our current government system is....beause it's with regard to medicare.

We are talking about overall outcomes and I used the most important ones

You don't get to decide what is important for me or my cohort and you don't get to tell us how that is going to be measured (and then turned into some bullshit argument we are expected to accept).

happiness, social mobility, education, healthcare, freedom, opportunity.

There is no happiness meter. It is a subjective metric. Those who publish on the quality of life admit, all the time, there are no agreed upon definitions and metrics.....calling it highly subjective as a complete single variable report. There are aspects that can be looked at a little more closely such as cost of living and GDP (financial only, which I reject as being overly important and certainly are not linear). But otherwise, it's all based on the best they can do, which they admit is flimsy at best.

Enjoy your fantasy.

You've blown off so many things to reach your stupid conclusion that it's very clear your claim to be a high paid analytics guy is highly suspect.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Listen. I have posted a lot of data showing that the top counties in the world are liberal social democracies with high taxes, strong welfare states, and high trust societies. Feel free to provide your own list of top countries in the world and we can look at their government.

Once again, a weak single variable argument to a highly complex, very subjective measurement.

 

[struth]

Counties that adopt a “right wing” or American Conservative ideology are all more free then those that adopted a left wing fascist approach championed by the Dem party

 

[citygator]

LOL. You have two variables. You quantified one, but not the other. Your first step is to quantify "right wing." Your second step is to correlate that with your first variable of rankings. Do that, abandon your feelings, and maybe someone will actually listen to you.

You're a dummy. I already posted all of that. You are just stumped on a right wing example and are delaying, trying to run out the clock. Its a low IQ tactic Nostra uses.

I defined right wing government in the OP in a very fair and favorable way: Low taxes / small welfare state, Strong nationalism, Strict immigration control, Weak labor protections, Strong executive power, Minimal regulation, Market fundamentalism, Traditionalist social policy.

I provided some rankings to see what countries are at the top. I dont care what ranking you use. Use anyone of your choice. There will be the same dozen countries up there.

 

[citygator]

So what?

If the rankings use the same weighting factors and inputs for their analysis, it does not matter.

Measures? Like what? Population.....? China and India win. What are you talking about?

Once again, an appeal to your single variable.

You can flush that with the rest of your argument.

Hahahaha You just keep coming back to the same tired argument. We don't have the resources they have or else we would not be counting on other countries for so much.

Social support isn't just a function of government. It is also highly dependent upon community and committment to other basic features (such as culture). We don't have a single culture. Unless you consider entitlement a culture.

Anyone who doesn't think we hae issues with child poverty, economic inequality, and high crime would a be a fool. But that isn't because our government is any less effective than theirs is. It simply has a different set of goals and objectives. Our country grew on the idea that individuals, families and communities were the priority and that all government needed to do was to give them a safe environment to flourish. Well, they flourished allright. And have become a bunch of whiny entitled brats. I don't see that in the countries that rank high on the list. As I've mentioned dozens of times, they seem to have a sense of gratefulness for what they have and they are not beholden to other golden calves like we are.


That's the point. They weigh things so that some factors are made to look like they have much greater impact than they actually do (for us). It doesn't matter to other countries that approach it the same. But we are an outlier and are hurt by their weighting system (weve known that since we showed up as 37th on the list which is total BS.

We have had and still have the best technology and the best trained doctors in the world. If health care is your only concern and you trust the WHO, Cuba isn't that far from N.C. Enjoy.


Country? I've already brought up the fact that we have states that are almost as big as Canada. And we have plenty the size of Finland. I have not even tried to look for an analysis of outcomes at the state level. But I have seen analysis of costs at even the country level that show just how crazy and stupid our current government system is....beause it's with regard to medicare.


You don't get to decide what is important for me or my cohort and you don't get to tell us how that is going to be measured (and then turned into some bullshit argument we are expected to accept).


There is no happiness meter. It is a subjective metric. Those who publish on the quality of life admit, all the time, there are no agreed upon definitions and metrics.....calling it highly subjective as a complete single variable report. There are aspects that can be looked at a little more closely such as cost of living and GDP (financial only, which I reject as being overly important and certainly are not linear). But otherwise, it's all based on the best they can do, which they admit is flimsy at best.

Enjoy your fantasy.

You've blown off so many things to reach your stupid conclusion that it's very clear your claim to be a high paid analytics guy is highly suspect.

You typed all of that and STILL havent provided me with an example of right wing government implemented that has a resulted in a successful country. Not a single example. I provided a dozen countries that have better outcomes than us and certainly better than any right wing example you can come up with.

Face it. Right wing governing DOESNT WORK. Its not working anywhere in the world. No where. Arent you concerned you cant find a single example? Not one?

 

[citygator]

Counties that adopt a “right wing” or American Conservative ideology are all more free then those that adopted a left wing fascist approach championed by the Dem party

Give me those examples.

 

[struth]

You typed all of that and STILL havent provided me with an example of right wing government implemented that has a resulted in a successful country. Not a single example. I provided a dozen countries that have better outcomes than us and certainly better than any right wing example you can come up with.

Face it. Right wing governing DOESNT WORK. Its not working anywhere in the world. No where. Arent you concerned you cant find a single example? Not one?

Flordia, Texas come to mind, but also the larger United States

 

[citygator]

Once again, a weak single variable argument to a highly complex, very subjective measurement.

Where is your list of successful right wing countries. I am still waiting. If you dont think those countries I listed are successful then give me your list and criteria.

 

[Unkotare]

This may be the trolliest troll thread of all troll-time.

 

[citygator]

Flordia, Texas come to mind, but also the larger United States

What? Every state in the US falls under the United States. They arent countries. Blue States have much better outcomes than red states. Everyone knows that. Red states have more welfare recipients, worse education statistics, worse health, lower incomes, lower savings, lower earnings, higher mortality, higher drug use. About the only metric red states have going for them is affordability and college football.

Noted you cant find an ideal country that has implemented right wing policies and is killing it like all the liberal social democracies I listed.