Show Me the Country Where The MAGA/Conservative Government Works. I Dare You.

[SweetTea]

Where in the world can we look for successful implementation of right wing principles of government?

Can't see the forest for the trees huh?

You live there and it is the most successful country in the world, in fact, it is the primary reason that presumably both you and I are able to be more prosperous than most in these social democracies you seem to love.

 

[struth]

What? Every state in the US falls under the United States. They arent countries. Blue States have much better outcomes than red states. Everyone knows that. Red states have more welfare recipients, worse education statistics, worse health, lower incomes, lower savings, lower earnings, higher mortality, higher drug use. About the only metric red states have going for them is affordability and college football.

Noted you cant find an ideal country that has implemented right wing policies and is killing it like all the liberal social democracies I listed.

Better outcomes at what? Having people flee their states?

California is a shit hole and losing its population to free states like Texas and Florida

Much like people fleed left wing govts like Cuba, east Germany and national socialist Germany, China and Kampuchea…

 

[HikerGuy83]

LOL. You have two variables. You quantified one, but not the other. Your first step is to quantify "right wing." Your second step is to correlate that with your first variable of rankings. Do that, abandon your feelings, and maybe someone will actually listen to you.

There is no real apples to apples comparison to be had. We are an outlier in terms of the subjective metrics applied by those who run the analysis.

Here is an article from 2009 that looks at the WHO 2000 ranking of health care systems (which placed the U.S. at 37th). It was nine years old but Al Franken (lying liars who tell lies) was out on TV touting it during the Obamacare debate (talk about a blatant lie).

37th in Health Performance? - FactCheck.org

The Wall Street Journal‘s "Numbers Guy," Carl Bialik, takes a deeper look at a well-worn statistic: that the U.S. ranks 37th in the world in health system performance. His conclusion: WSJ’s Bialik, Oct. 21: Among all the numbers bandied about in the health-care debate, this ranking stands out as...

www.factcheck.org

 

[HikerGuy83]

Better outcomes at what? Having people flee their states?

California is a shit hole and losing its population to free states like Texas and Florida

Much like people fleed left wing govts like Cuba, east Germany and national socialist Germany, China and Kampuchea…

Save your breath.

The premise of the entire argument is bullshit and flawed to the gills.

1. You can't compare our system to others using metrics set up for theirs.
2. As already explained, the founders created a new system so there are no other countries that look like us that you can hold up. The OP knows this and it's what makes the entire argument so disingenuous.

One thing we can say is that OP lives in a red state in the United States. I keep hoping for an announcement he is moving to Canada where things are soooooooooo much better.

 

[HikerGuy83]

You are looking for examples but in reality, they're hard to come by because most humans don't want freedom.

Which is just what he wants you to deal with. We are very unique in many ways. Having had a constitution essentially written from scratch. No long history or entrenched system of aristocracy or monarchy. Fresh out of the oven.

And this is what they picked.

Aint it great??

 

[struth]

Save your breath.

The premise of the entire argument is bullshit and flawed to the gills.

1. You can't compare our system to others using metrics set up for theirs.
2. As already explained, the founders created a new system so there are no other countries that look like us that you can hold up. The OP knows this and it's what makes the entire argument so disingenuous.

One thing we can say is that OP lives in a red state in the United States. I keep hoping for an announcement he is moving to Canada where things are soooooooooo much better.

citygator thinks driving up poverty, and making more people poorer is a success. He thinks more govt and less freedom makes a country better

 

[HikerGuy83]

citygator thinks driving up poverty, and making more people poorer is a success. He thinks more govt and less freedom makes a country better

I actually like a lot of what I see in the countries like Sweden. They have great societies from what I can tell. But they also have great cultures. I don't want the taxes, but I do want the culture. They do have some poverty and crime, but not like Chicago (that bastion of blue state outcomes).

It's the culture that makes the difference.

We've become a nation of:

1. Haters
2. Entitlement
3. Wokeness
4. Greed
5. Godless

 

[struth]

I actually like a lot of what I see in the countries like Sweden. They have great societies from what I can tell. But they also have great cultures. I don't want the taxes, but I do want the culture. They do have some poverty and crime, but not like Chicago (that bastion of blue state outcomes).

It's the culture that makes the difference.

We've become a nation of:

1. Haters
2. Entitlement
3. Wokeness
4. Greed
5. Godless

Counties like Sweden have massive strict immigration laws, which allows their culture to flourish

They also have a great safety net because unlike our SS they privatized theirs

 

[HikerGuy83]

If you dont think those countries I listed are successful then give me your list and criteria.

Hahahaha.....

You lying asshole.

I've said repeatedly that I like many of those countries for the cultural fabric they have.

I NEVER said they were not successful.

I said you can't compare and another system like ours does not exist.

You can keep trying to fence in the discussion so that the pasture full of cowshit is all we have to work with.

And lie.

Ain't going to work.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Here’s a list of liberal social democracies that consistently rank at or near the top of global outcome metrics — happiness, health, wealth (per capita), freedom, education, social mobility, and stability.

You showed a list of white nations.
How sad, you Father Government dependent beggars honestly believe it is the government who make the people vs. the people who make the government

We are behind all these countries in the key metrics other than wealth and military power. We could learn a thing or two from them without scrapping our government.

“Learn”? WTF!!
We KNOW that multiculturalism and diversity destroys societies…we know that for a fact because all white America was amazing from 1950-1985

 

[HikerGuy83]

Counties like Sweden have massive strict immigration laws, which allows their culture to flourish

They also have a great safety net because unlike our SS they privatized theirs

They just slammed the door on immigration from Ukraine.

Canada is the same way. I was in Calgary every month for a year. In my cab rides to and from the airport (and elsewhere), I met doctors, bankers, and engineers who can't work in their profession because of the requirements of the government (lack of a willingness to accept their schooling even though they were established when they immigrated).

Their S.S. system is not something I am that familiar with. Our sucks.

 

[HikerGuy83]

What? Every state in the US falls under the United States. They arent countries.

But they are bigger than many of the countries on your list. Oh...wait.....a successful state government doesn't apply.

It has to be the U.S.

You are so transparent in your horseshit argument.

 

[midcan5]

LOL Thread Poster, You need to stop posting information and articles that are honest and present reality not fantasy. Trump fans and so called conservatives get too upset with reality, they live in another mental world where Trump is really a good guy and concerned with their interests and values. LOL

 

[Slyhunter]

What? Every state in the US falls under the United States. They arent countries. Blue States have much better outcomes than red states. Everyone knows that. Red states have more welfare recipients, worse education statistics, worse health, lower incomes, lower savings, lower earnings, higher mortality, higher drug use. About the only metric red states have going for them is affordability and college football.

Noted you cant find an ideal country that has implemented right wing policies and is killing it like all the liberal social democracies I listed.

It is based on how you weigh it. None of your methods weigh Individual Liberty and Freedom.

 

[mac allen]

You're a dummy. I already posted all of that.

I defined right wing government in the OP in a very fair and favorable way: Low taxes / small welfare state, Strong nationalism, Strict immigration control, Weak labor protections, Strong executive power, Minimal regulation, Market fundamentalism, Traditionalist social policy.

That's not quantifying, let alone correlating, Mrs. Needlepoint. This is what happens when you attend Fluffy University.

 

[Nostra]

Here’s a list of liberal social democracies that consistently rank at or near the top of global outcome metrics — happiness, health, wealth (per capita), freedom, education, social mobility, and stability.

We are behind all these countries in the key metrics other than wealth and military power. We could learn a thing or two from them without scrapping our government.

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1. Norway

• Top 5 globally in happiness, wealth per capita, education, social mobility
• Universal healthcare + generous welfare state
• High social trust + low corruption
• Blended capitalist economy with strong regulations and public ownership of key resources (oil fund)

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2. Denmark

• Often #1 in “opportunity,” equality, trust, and corruption-free governance
• Top-tier education outcomes
• High worker productivity
• Strong welfare state + flexible labor market (“flexicurity”)

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3. Finland

• Usually #1 in global happiness
• Elite education system (top 5 globally)
• Universal healthcare, robust safety nets
• High trust, low crime, strong institutions

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4. Sweden

• High per-capita income, high innovation
• Universal healthcare, free higher education
• Strong social mobility
• Pro-market economy paired with high taxation and social protection

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5. Iceland

• Top 5 in happiness, safety, and equality
• Strong social cohesion and very low corruption
• Universal healthcare + strong worker protections

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6. Netherlands

• Top 10 globally in wealth, health, education, freedom
• Highly productive economy and strong social safety net
• Progressive but stable political system

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7. Canada

• Highly ranked for freedom, education, immigration outcomes
• Universal healthcare
• High quality of life and social mobility
• High per-capita wealth and extremely diverse, peaceful society

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8. Switzerland (Centrist social democracy with unique quirks)

• Top 3 in wealth per capita
• Very high education and innovation
• Hybrid model: market-oriented economy + mandatory healthcare + strong social insurance
• High trust and low crime

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9. Germany

• Strong manufacturing & export economy
• Universal healthcare
• Powerful vocational training system
• High social mobility and strong labor protections

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10. New Zealand

• High rankings in freedom, quality of government, and social trust
• Universal healthcare
• Progressive social protections + competitive market environment

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11. Australia

• High per-capita wealth
• Universal coverage via Medicare
• High immigration + strong educational attainment
• Very safe and stable democracy

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12. Austria

• Strong universal healthcare and education
• High social mobility
• Very low poverty
• Strong economy and worker protections

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13. Belgium

• Strong healthcare system
• High GDP per capita
• Highly educated population
• Robust welfare state

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14. France

• Elite healthcare system ranked among world’s best
• Longest life expectancy in EU
• High productivity

Which one are you moving to?

 

[P@triot]

Liberal democracies have dozens of successful examples.

Bwahahaha!!!

• New Orleans? Third-world shithole.
• Philadelphia? Third-world shithole.
• NYC? Third-world shithole.
• Los Angeles? Third-world shithole.
• Chicago? Third-world shithole.
• Cleveland? Third-world shithole.
• Detroit? Third-world shithole.

Show me a state or city run by Democrats, I'll show you a third-world shithole every time. You cannot point to a single exception.

 

[mac allen]

Blue States have much better outcomes than red states. Everyone knows that.

Everyone in your needlepoint group. lol

 

[Lockback]

Bwahahaha!!!

• New Orleans? Third-world shithole.
• Philadelphia? Third-world shithole.
• NYC? Third-world shithole.
• Los Angeles? Third-world shithole.
• Chicago? Third-world shithole.
• Cleveland? Third-world shithole.
• Detroit? Third-world shithole.

Show me a state or city run by Democrats, I'll show you a third-world shithole every time. You cannot point to a single exception.

I can't believe this wankfest is still going on.
The Democrats are such complete and total failures at governing and making lives better it boggles the mind.

 

[P@triot]

But I am interested in what nations implement the right wing dream of government that Trump's policies desire to implement. Where in the world can we look for successful implementation of right wing principles of government? Surely someone must have examples of these policies working.

I'm so glad you asked! The United States.

Founded in 1776, it went from the newest nation in the world at that point to the world's most elite superpower, in less than 150 years.

• No social security
• No welfare
• No Medicare
• No Medicaid
• No Obamacare
• No federal taxes whatsoever for most of that time (talk about low taxes!!)
• No regulations in the free market

Just total freedom resulting in astounding prosperity in the blink of an eye.