Should Trump Trial Go Direct To Supreme Court?

[Leo123]

stop whining

Say the Marxists.

 

[Leo123]

No . Stop misrepresenting what the Judge's jury instructions were.

"Justice Merchan tells the jurors that it is not his responsibility to judge the evidence in the case. “It is yours,” he says. “You are the judges of the facts, and you are responsible for deciding whether the defendant is guilty or not guilty.”"

Trump Hush $$$ Trial Jury Instructions - Post-Summation Instructions - Facts Here

Offering up multiple links to Judge Merchan's instructions to the jury. Why? So we all can find an easy link to facts that are sure to be misrepresented (by more than one side), misconstrued, misunderstood, and misinterpreted...

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You people and Posts misrepresent New York judge’s instructions to jury in Trump hush money trial

Posts misrepresent New York judge’s instructions to jury in Trump hush money trial

False. Merchan said that to convict Trump the jury will have to find unanimously, on each of 34 felony counts, that he falsified business records and that he did so with the intent of concealing another crime — in this case, violating a state election law during his 2016 campaign.

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The judge told the jury that to convict Trump on any given charge, they will have to find unanimously — that is, all 12 jurors must agree — that the former president created a fraudulent entry in his company’s records or caused someone else to do so, and that he did so with the intent of committing or concealing a crime.

Prosecutors say the crime Trump committed or hid is a violation of a New York election law making it illegal for two or more conspirators “to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means.”

‘Any given crime?’ That’s bullshit. He told them to find a crime.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I also served on a jury and I can tell you the judge insisted on ONE UNANIMOUS verdict for ONE charge. Marchan needs to be reversed and charged with a violation of Constitutional rights of a defendant.

Idiot! The judge did not insist on anything. The Jury was polled on each countHow the **** did he violate T-Rumps constitutional rights?

 

[lennypartiv]

Should Trump Trial Go Direct To Supreme Court?​

It can't.

 

[Couchpotato]

Yup, the trial was a Democrat Party scam.. everyone knows it and the appeals process in New York is likely corrupted as well. The voters need an honest resolution before the election.

I doubt they have jurisdiction. What would be the reasoning behind the SCOTUS hearing the appeal on a state criminal trial? Where is the constitutional question? Where is the conflict of law between states that needs settled?

 

[Couchpotato]

He's not wrong about this however. It will end up at the supreme Court sometime into Trump's next term.

What would be the reasoning for that? SCOTUS can’t just take any case it wants.

 

[Leo123]

It can't.

Oh that's right, Trump is not a Democrat.

 

[Leo123]

What would be the reasoning for that? SCOTUS can’t just take any case it wants.

The court case had no reason either. Apparently we are now breaking new ground in the legal system.....At least Democrats are.

 

[yidnar]

Can any of you Jadrools explain exactly what the legal and constitutional mechanism is for the case to leap from the NY trial court right to the SCOTUS

because it is having a direct effect on the upcoming federal election ..

 

[Care4all]

I also served on a jury and I can tell you the judge insisted on ONE UNANIMOUS verdict for ONE charge. Marchan needs to be reversed and charged with a violation of Constitutional rights of a defendant.

Nope! What Merchan did in instructions is normal procedure!


Jury instructions often cover the following issues:

Introduction to the trial process: An overview of the trial process, the roles of the judge, jury, attorneys, and witnesses, and the importance of the jury's role in the legal system.

Explanation of the burden of proof: a legal concept crucial to the trial system. This is especially important where different legal issues have a different standard of proof to be applied. (whether due to statute, or because of the civil versus criminal standard)

Legal definitions: explanations of relevant legal terms and concepts, such as the elements of a crime or the elements of a civil claim, as well as any specific legal principles that apply to the case.

Evidence: Instructions on how the jury should evaluate evidence, including the credibility of witnesses, the admissibility of certain types of evidence, and the weight to be given to each piece of evidence.

Jury Deliberations: Guidelines for the jury's deliberation process, including instructions on reaching a unanimous verdict, the role of the foreperson, and procedures to follow in the event of a deadlock.

 

[Care4all]

There is NOT plenty of time. There is an election going on, and if Trump‘s constituional rights were violated in order to falsely brand him “a convicted criminal,” then voters need to know that before casting their vote.

Apparently, that doesn't matter to the supreme court.... They still don't have a decision on presidential immunity and have had a couple of months, and have stalled the three remainder indictments......time is not of the essence to them....

 

[Care4all]

This case is all about politics, the biases are obvious as are your attempts to put lipstick on a donkey.

He did falsify his business records, it is plain as day! .....(For anyone with eyes that see and ears that hear)

He wouldn't be here, on trial, if he hadn't.....

You are falling in to what Trump has done his whole life to get away with all of his white collar crimes.....delay delay delay, till the crimes have passed statute of limitation, or he becomes president again and stops trials from going forward, or till it is so long a delay, it no longer matters to the public or....etc etc etc.

 

[Leo123]

Nope! What Merchan did in instructions is normal procedure!


Jury instructions often cover the following issues:

Introduction to the trial process: An overview of the trial process, the roles of the judge, jury, attorneys, and witnesses, and the importance of the jury's role in the legal system.

Explanation of the burden of proof: a legal concept crucial to the trial system. This is especially important where different legal issues have a different standard of proof to be applied. (whether due to statute, or because of the civil versus criminal standard)

Legal definitions: explanations of relevant legal terms and concepts, such as the elements of a crime or the elements of a civil claim, as well as any specific legal principles that apply to the case.

Evidence: Instructions on how the jury should evaluate evidence, including the credibility of witnesses, the admissibility of certain types of evidence, and the weight to be given to each piece of evidence.

Jury Deliberations: Guidelines for the jury's deliberation process, including instructions on reaching a unanimous verdict, the role of the foreperson, and procedures to follow in the event of a deadlock.

Yeah but Marchan told them they could attach whatever crime they wanted. They did not have to be unanimous. I don't blame the jury, I blame Marchan for his ludicrous instructions his waving of defense objections, his personal dislike and active Biden supporter. He should have recused himself. He was not even part of the circuit, he was hand picked. Look,

I know you personally hate Trump but, this lawfare shit has gone way too far. Some sane headed Democrat needs to put an end to the Trump hatred in their ranks which will be the leftists/Marxists with money and power who hate America.

 

[Lumpy 1]

He did falsify his business records, it is plain as day! .....(For anyone with eyes that see and ears that hear)

He wouldn't be here, on trial, if he hadn't.....

You are falling in to what Trump has done his whole life to get away with all of his white collar crimes.....delay delay delay, till the crimes have passed statute of limitation, or he becomes president again and stops trials from going forward, or till it is so long a delay, it no longer matters to the public or....etc etc etc.

Kinda quoting a Christmas Carol for little ole me, I’m impressed.. Time to dance..

It’s funny how Trump has a knack for making Democrats look silly, they detest him for it but persist.

 

[Care4all]

Yeah but Marchan told them they could attach whatever crime they wanted. They did not have to be unanimous. I don't blame the jury, I blame Marchan for his ludicrous instructions his waving of defense objections, his personal dislike and active Biden supporter. He should have recused himself. He was not even part of the circuit, he was hand picked. Look,

I know you personally hate Trump but, this lawfare shit has gone way too far. Some sane headed Democrat needs to put an end to the Trump hatred in their ranks which will be the leftists/Marxists with money and power who hate America.

If what Merchan did in jury instructions was outside of the rules, trust the System, Trump will get a mistrial....right quick.

It is New York State, not federal jurisdiction....no one but a New Yorker can do anything about it early on....AND if he follows the law PROCESS, the higher courts in NY will rule so, on his appeal! The same process every citizen has....and more so, for those with money!

I don't hate Trump! When in my teens and through my twenties, although older than me, I thought he was cute as can be....a wild man, with no restraints on his tongue or desire for women, an attention getter, he was intriguing.... because no one else out there had the balls to act the way he did in a non moral sense, so openly.... He also wasn't loud and obnoxious.... He spoke softly.... He was a walking NY Tabloid!!! . A perfect example of Spare the rod, Spoil the child!

But then in my 30s, I grew up....and began a closer relationship with God, so to say....
right vs wrong....became more vivid, and more important... and the Trump limelight went from entertaining, to showing all the ways he selfishly, without thought, hurt people!

 

[Care4all]

Kinda quoting a Christmas Carol for little ole me, I’m impressed.. Time to dance..

It’s funny how Trump has a knack for making Democrats look silly, they detest him for it but persist.

Maybe in clouded dreamy eyes....we look silly....?

You're trying to take a spec of sawdust out of a Democrat's eye, while you have a wood log, blinding you in your own eyes. Take the log out of your own eye, before you attempt to remove the sawdust out of a Democrat's! (I love that biblical verse, minus the democrat's part of course)

Right now, democrats are the only ones who see Trump, for what he really is....a destroyer, and what he is NOT, is this Nation's savior, as you all think! That's a fact, to me!

So, yeah Lumpy my dear one, we're just gonna have to disagree, on this one!

 

[Leo123]

Maybe in clouded dreamy eyes....we look silly....?

You're trying to take a spec of sawdust out of a Democrat's eye, while you have a wood log, blinding you in your own eyes. Take the log out of your own eye, before you attempt to remove the sawdust out of a Democrat's! (I love that biblical verse, minus the democrat's part of course)

Right now, democrats are the only ones who see Trump, for what he really is....a destroyer, and what he is NOT, is this Nation's savior, as you all think! That's a fact, to me!

So, yeah Lumpy my dear one, we're just gonna have to disagree, on this one!

When did Trump destroy the U.S.? Everyone agrees that for most of his stint as POTUS we had the best economy in decades, there were no large wars, low interest rates, low gas prices, etc. COVID came and the Democrats used it to try to destroy U.S. Remember the Marxists in the Democrat party (who control the party) want to destroy America and 'build back' to their 'better,' like What we have now, unbridled immigration, 2 wars, soaring prices and a general economic malaise. You have some nerve saying Trump wants to destroy the Nation.

 

[GWV5903]

You can't really be this clueless, can you?

You’re confused, I understand it’s not the first time, run along

You do know as of now it's a state matter?

It’s not, it’s a federal matter, but you’re easily manipulated

And it's not about the voters

Thanks for making it clear, no one could make this any clearer than you, the voters are the only people who count dumb dumb

Trump is still running for office

Yes he is and this action solidifies his win

He's a convicted felon.

This will be reversed once he wins the appeal

 

[Lumpy 1]

Maybe in clouded dreamy eyes....we look silly....?

You're trying to take a spec of sawdust out of a Democrat's eye, while you have a wood log, blinding you in your own eyes. Take the log out of your own eye, before you attempt to remove the sawdust out of a Democrat's! (I love that biblical verse, minus the democrat's part of course)

Right now, democrats are the only ones who see Trump, for what he really is....a destroyer, and what he is NOT, is this Nation's savior, as you all think! That's a fact, to me!

So, yeah Lumpy my dear one, we're just gonna have to disagree, on this one!

I’m recalling your Lady Care4all status my friend and I’m glad we can disagree and still have fun, there’s so much less of that these days.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

No direct appeal to SCOTUS is necessary.