Should the US provide enough long-range weaponry to cut off the Russian supply lines and drive them out of Ukraine

[1srelluc]

Never get involved in a land war in Eurasia.

 

[Redfish]

I support Ukraine. Russia would never have attacked, to reclaim Ukrainian territory, if we had not brokered the deal for Ukraine to give up the 3rd largest nuclear weapons inventory on the planet, in exchange for security, assured by the US, UK, and Russia.
We know how little trust to put in Russian agreements, and have always known. Now it looks like Ukraine bet wrong, depending on the US, also, with Donny at the helm.

Putin only went into Ukraine because the USA had a weak president at the time.

 

[White 6]

****** you are almost correct. The "walk away" was done in 2014 by your lads Obama and Biden.

1994 Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances

To solidify security commitments to Ukraine, the United States, Russia, and the United Kingdom signed the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances on December 5, 1994. A political agreement in accordance with the principles of the Helsinki Accords, the memorandum included security assurances against the threat or use of force against Ukraine’s territory or political independence. The countries promised to respect the sovereignty and existing borders of Ukraine. Parallel memorandums were signed for Belarus and Kazakhstan as well. In response, Ukraine officially acceded to the NPT as a non-nuclear weapon state on December 5, 1994. That move met the final condition for ratification of START, and on the same day, the five START states-parties exchanged instruments of ratification, bringing the treaty into force.

2009 Joint Declaration by Russia and the United States

Russia and the United States released a joint statement in 2009 confirming that the security assurances made in the 1994 Budapest Memorandum would still be valid after START expired in 2009.

2014 Russian Annexation of Crimea

Following months of political unrest and the abrupt departure of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, Russian troops entered the Crimean peninsula of Ukraine in March 2014. On March 18, over the protests of the acting government in Kiev, the UN Security Council, and Western governments, Russia declared the annexation of Crimea. The United States, the United Kingdom, and Ukraine called the action a blatant violation of the security assurances in the 1994 Budapest Memorandum. However, according to the Russian Foreign Ministry, “the security assurances were given to the legitimate government of Ukraine but not to the forces that came to power following the so called "coup d'etat.”"

Timeline

• July 16, 1990: Ukraine’s Declaration of Sovereignty
• July 31, 1991: The United States and the Soviet Union sign START
• Dec. 26, 1991: The Soviet Union officially dissolves, delaying entry into force of START
• Dec. 30, 1991: Minsk Agreement on Strategic Forces
  • The Commonwealth of Independent States agrees that strategic forces would be under the joint command of the former Soviet Union states
• May 23, 1992: Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, and the United States sign the Lisbon Protocol
  • The protocol calls for the return of nuclear weapons in three formerly Soviet states to Russia and for all states to be added to the START treaty and join the NPT
• Jan. 14, 1994: Ukraine, Russia, and the United States sign the Trilateral Statement
  • Ukraine commits to full disarmament, including strategic offensive weapons, in exchange for economic support and security assurances from the United States and Russia
• Sept. 4, 1993: Massandra Accords
  • Failed summit between Russian and Ukrainian governments
• Dec. 5, 1994: Russia, Ukraine, United States, and the United Kingdom sign the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances
  • Includes security assurances against the threat or use of force against Ukraine’s territory or political independence
• Dec. 5, 1994: Ukraine submits its instrument of accession to the NPT as a non-nuclear weapon state
  • The five START parties exchange instruments of ratification for START, which enters into force
• June 1, 1996: Ukraine transfers its last nuclear warhead to Russia
• October 30, 2001: Ukraine eliminates its last strategic nuclear weapon delivery vehicle
  • The two countries confirm the security guarantees made in the 1994 Budapest Memorandum
• March 18, 2014: Russia annexes Ukraine's Crimean peninsula and provides supports an ongoing insurrection by separatist forces in the eastern Luhansk and Donetsk provinces of Ukraine.
• Late 2021 to early 2022: Russia engages in "military exercises" with a force estimated to exceed 150,000 military personnel involving land-, sea-, and air-based weaponry on the northern, eastern, and southern borders of Ukraine raising fears of an invasion by Russia.
• February 24, 2022: Russia began a large-scale military attack and invasion of Ukraine, with planes and missile launcher attacks on Ukrainian cities, airports, and military infrastructure across much of the country.

Ukraine, Nuclear Weapons, and Security Assurances at a Glance | Arms Control Association

Yes; there were stuff ups all right but it wasn't TRUMP at all. PLEASE put the "blame" where it belongs; that's on Putin of course but also on the wrong decisions of the Democrats.

Greg

"****** you are almost correct. The "walk away" was done in 2014 by your lads Obama and Biden."
True statement.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I support Ukraine. Russia would never have attacked, to reclaim Ukrainian territory, if we had not brokered the deal for Ukraine to give up the 3rd largest nuclear weapons inventory on the planet, in exchange for security, assured by the US, UK, and Russia.
We know how little trust to put in Russian agreements, and have always known. Now it looks like Ukraine bet wrong, depending on the US, also, with Donny at the helm.

Hilarious -

Politics is Zone 2. That means posts must include some content relative to the discussion.

 

[White 6]

So with "long range weaponry" I'm assuming you have no problem with Ukraine lobbing American-made missiles into Russia? And Russia is going to turn tail and run away, instead of retaliating?

Geez you guys and girls suck at war. So what's going to happen when Ukraine runs out of bodies to throw into the meat grinder? And who's going to pay for all that "long range weaponry"?

You mean, what is going to happen when Ukraine suffers the human loss in the numbers even approaching the Russian Army's human losses?
Ukraine will have to decide.

 

[White 6]

Putin only went into Ukraine because the USA had a weak president at the time.

They went in, to take back the country, that had been under their control, until the fall of the USSR. It was always the plan. This president would do not different, and has even hailed the Russian move to go into Ukraine as "brilliant".

 

[White 6]

Hilarious -

Politics is Zone 2. That means posts must include some content relative to the discussion.

See OP Thread Post Question "I'm interested in knowing how support for Ukraine does on this bulletin board so please vote."

 

[Concerned American]

The Russians destroyed them.

That's all we need is a tin horn and a war hawk threatening with nukes.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Putin only went into Ukraine because the USA had a weak president at the time.

Biden's victory threw off Putin's time table by more than a year.

If Trump had won, Putin would have been rolling on January 22, 2021.

 

[scruffy]

No. No more weapons. Time to force Zelensky's hand.

 

[Contumacious]

Should the US provide enough long-range weaponry to cut off the Russian supply lines and drive them out of Ukraine​

NO.

There is no reason for President Trump to continue the brain dead Ukranian Proxy war began in December 2013 by the CIA, the Obama-Biden Administration and Raytheon, et al.

 

[Auld Phart]

Biden's victory threw off Putin's time table by more than a year.

If Trump had won, Putin would have been rolling on January 22, 2021.

If Trump had won, Putin would have been rolling on January 22, 2021.

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/timeline-the-events-leading-up-to-russias-invasion-of-ukraine-idUSKBN2KX2AM/

not likely. Putin didn't even start massing troops on the border til Spring.

 

[Invisibleflash]

I'm interested in knowing how support for Ukraine does on this bulletin board so please vote.

 

[imawhosure]

I'm interested in knowing how support for Ukraine does on this bulletin board so please vote.

Nope, the Europeans should do it, if anyone.

 

[Moonglow]

I'm interested in knowing how support for Ukraine does on this bulletin board so please vote.

Yes indeed.

 

[Independent thinker]

I'm interested in knowing how support for Ukraine does on this bulletin board so please vote.

1. And then Russia brings even more advanced weaponry into the game

2. takes us to being yet even closer to WWIII

 

[iamwhatiseem]

1. And then Russia brings even more advanced weaponry into the game

2. takes us to being yet even closer to WWIII

But but but.... Stand with Ukraine!... I bought bumper stickers!!

 

[Independent thinker]

But but but.... Stand with Ukraine!... I bought bumper stickers!!

I just don't understand the left. With all of the help Ukraine has received, they have steadily lost territory day by day. So, there are only three options:

1. continue what the world has been doing until there is zero of Ukraine left in the end, ZERO

2. Arm Ukraine even more and bring on WWIII

3. Try to end the war by ceding some territory to the Russians and agreeing Ukraine won't be part of NATO in exchange for ending the war and bringing peace to the area, which means most of Ukraine will continue being a country.

 

[my2¢]

I'm still all for the U.S. getting its nose out of the affairs of Ukraine and Israel. That attitude is not limited to weaponry.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I can see why My2c and Independent Thinker have not done well in life.