Zone1 Should the Catholic Church allow married priests?

[TNHarley]

Except for where he commended women in, wait for it, authority roles in the Church.

Maybe for decons or something. I dont remember him praising one female head of church.

 

[The Irish Ram]

As far as i know, its not scripture but is rather laws created by councils.

The apostle Paul laid out the duties of women and men in the church. Women should have no position of church authority.

Paul told one church to shut their women up because they were going to a seer and would stand up in church and tell them what the seer predicted.
On the other hand:
Thecia was Paul's go-to girl, who preached alongside him. Other noteables include Junia, Phoebe, Mary, Mary, Debra, and others.
Phillip's four daughters were prophets, as was Miriam and a host of others. Paul called Julia noteworthy among the envoys, who became in the Anointed One before me.

Psalm 68:11 "The Lord announces the word, and the women who proclaim it are a mighty throng".

 

[TNHarley]

Paul told one church to shut their women up because they were going to a seer and would stand up in church and tell them what the seer predicted.
On the other hand:
Thecia was Paul's go-to girl, who preached alongside him. Other noteables include Junia, Phoebe, Mary, Mary, Debra, and others.
Phillip's four daughters were prophets, as was Miriam and a host of others. Paul called Julia noteworthy among the envoys, who became in the Anointed One before me.

Psalm 68:11 "The Lord announces the word, and the women who proclaim it are a mighty throng".

I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly.
He then goes on to explain how creation backs up his reasoning.
He was explaining to timothy how the church in Ephesus should be ran. Not just that the women should shutup for the seer.
Read timothy 1 and 2.
Paul also talks about female submission in Ephesians. This is by gods design.

 

[TNHarley]

Paul told one church to shut their women up because they were going to a seer and would stand up in church and tell them what the seer predicted.
On the other hand:
Thecia was Paul's go-to girl, who preached alongside him. Other noteables include Junia, Phoebe, Mary, Mary, Debra, and others.
Phillip's four daughters were prophets, as was Miriam and a host of others. Paul called Julia noteworthy among the envoys, who became in the Anointed One before me.

Psalm 68:11 "The Lord announces the word, and the women who proclaim it are a mighty throng".

Where does the bible say Thecla preached? I have read apocryphal text say that, but it isnt in the bible.

 

[The Irish Ram]

I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly.
He then goes on to explain how creation backs up his reasoning.
He esians are the cities inhabitants.was explaining to timothy how the church in Ephesus should be ran. Not just that the women should shutup for the seer.
Read timothy 1 and 2.
Paul also talks about female submission in Ephesians. This is by gods design.

Correct. The Acts of Paul were not included in the Bible. It doesn't mean that the act was incredible or unworthy. It does smack of the misogyny of those who chose what to put in and what to leave out. Esther made it in by the skin of her teeth.
Ephesus is the city. Ephesians are those who reside in Ephesus, including the woman who went to Artemis seeking prophesy. In Corinth the woman were unruly.
Those told to sit down and be silent were those not following the rules Paul laid down:

First, there should be only two or three speakers of a foreign language in a church gathering.
Second, language speakers must take turns so that heir words do not overlap and become meaningless,
Third, someone needs to interpret what is said.
The three criteria for prophesying:
First, only two or three prophets should speak in a church gathering.
Second, other prophets must examine the prophecy to determine its authenticity and orthodoxy.
Third, while a prophet is speaking, if someone sitting in the congregation receives a revelation (from God), the former prophet must remain silent.

If God wanted all women to sit down and shut up He certainly wouldn't have given them prophesy. David said there were throngs of them who did hear the word of God and prophesied it.
Miriam, Deborah, Huldah, Noahdiah, and Isaiah's wife, Anna, Priscilla < a deacon. All received prophesy regularly to be shared.

*** The way you can tell if what Paul told them in Corinth was meant for all churches is, he would have sent the same letters to the 12 other churches he started. But he did not. He did the opposite. In Phillipi, he encourages Euodia and Syntyche to unite the church.

 

[BS Filter]

You didn't answer the question. Yes, the baptized are priests, prophets, and kings. There is also a special priesthood whose vocation, profession, career, life is serving the church, the assembly of believers. I am asking if it is your belief each believer (each priest if you will) should teach him/herself?

1 John 2:27.

 

[BS Filter]

OK. I may have misinterpreted your post saying that we are all just "priests"...not exactly what he said.

1 Peter 2:9 describes believers as a "chosen people," a "royal priesthood," a "holy nation," and "God's special possession," emphasizing their unique identity and purpose to proclaim God's praises after being called out of darkness into His light. This verse highlights the spiritual significance of the church as the new Israel, reflecting God's grace and calling.

Looks like Christianity replaces Judaism as the new "chosen people".

Christians are grafted in to the vine. Romans 11. Christians and Jews are one in Christ.

 

[Zebra]

Now 12 of 15 say yes!

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Now 12 of 15 say yes!

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One of the things I respect about my priest is his commitment to his celibacy. He has had the one experience most valuable, IMO, to a man, and that's parenthood. He has had a great number of foster kids.

Yes, a married man can become a priest.

Not much more to say. Sex is over-rated. I admire the celibacy of consecrated religious.


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[toobfreak]

Should the Catholic Church allow married priests?​

Can't believe so many voted yes. If they marry wives, then they would be MINISTERS not priests.

 

[Meriweather]

1 John 2:27.

So...you have no response, just a cut and paste that you believe makes your point? Why didn't you choose 1 John 2:24, which sets the stage: Let what you heard from the beginning remain in you.

My question remains: Should each believer (each priest if you will) learn from someone in the special priesthood, or should they talk to themselves and let what they hear themselves say teach him/herself?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Then why is the Catholic Church the only major religion that does not allow its priests or nuns to reproduce?

It is how most religions maintain their clergy.
My father was a minister, my grandfather was a minister…

Why aren't you a minister then? Couldn't cut the morality required?

 

[rightwinger]

Why aren't you a minister then? Couldn't cut the morality required?

Too much money to be made as a USMB paid poster

 

[BS Filter]

So...you have no response, just a cut and paste that you believe makes your point? Why didn't you choose 1 John 2:24, which sets the stage: Let what you heard from the beginning remain in you.

My question remains: Should each believer (each priest if you will) learn from someone in the special priesthood, or should they talk to themselves and let what they hear themselves say teach him/herself?

Now you're lying. I gave you the scripture. If you don't believe Scripture, just admit it.

 

[hadit]

Correct. The Acts of Paul were not included in the Bible. It doesn't mean that the act was incredible or unworthy. It does smack of the misogyny of those who chose what to put in and what to leave out. Esther made it in by the skin of her teeth.
Ephesus is the city. Ephesians are those who reside in Ephesus, including the woman who went to Artemis seeking prophesy. In Corinth the woman were unruly.
Those told to sit down and be silent were those not following the rules Paul laid down:

First, there should be only two or three speakers of a foreign language in a church gathering.
Second, language speakers must take turns so that heir words do not overlap and become meaningless,
Third, someone needs to interpret what is said.
The three criteria for prophesying:
First, only two or three prophets should speak in a church gathering.
Second, other prophets must examine the prophecy to determine its authenticity and orthodoxy.
Third, while a prophet is speaking, if someone sitting in the congregation receives a revelation (from God), the former prophet must remain silent.

If God wanted all women to sit down and shut up He certainly wouldn't have given them prophesy. David said there were throngs of them who did hear the word of God and prophesied it.
Miriam, Deborah, Huldah, Noahdiah, and Isaiah's wife, Anna, Priscilla < a deacon. All received prophesy regularly to be shared.

*** The way you can tell if what Paul told them in Corinth was meant for all churches is, he would have sent the same letters to the 12 other churches he started. But he did not. He did the opposite. In Phillipi, he encourages Euodia and Syntyche to unite the church.

Far too often, a single verse or section is taken out of context and assumed to apply universally. It's what happens when the Bible is read casually.

 

[Meriweather]

Now you're lying. I gave you the scripture. If you don't believe Scripture, just admit it.

Here is what you missed: Of course I read the scripture verse you gave me. Its easy to call up any verse online. I use the USCCB Bible readings. You will also note, for your own convenience, it was simple for me to copy and paste the verse that introduced what John was saying. What you could not guess is that I read the entire passage in context. John was talking to people he had already taught, those who had heard what he had to say. Then he reminded them of what other Apostles were also teaching--that God's law is written on their hearts, and to look within. Are you aware that John was fighting against false teachers at the time and that was what he was warning his assemblies against? He wanted them to remember his teachings and to not be misled by false teachers.

Last chance to address the question that has been avoided: Should each believer (each priest if you will) learn from someone in the special priesthood, or should they talk to themselves and let what they hear themselves say teach him/herself?

 

[BS Filter]

Here is what you missed: Of course I read the scripture verse you gave me. Its easy to call up any verse online. I use the USCCB Bible readings. You will also note, for your own convenience, it was simple for me to copy and paste the verse that introduced what John was saying. What you could not guess is that I read the entire passage in context. John was talking to people he had already taught, those who had heard what he had to say. Then he reminded them of what other Apostles were also teaching--that God's law is written on their hearts, and to look within. Are you aware that John was fighting against false teachers at the time and that was what he was warning his assemblies against? He wanted them to remember his teachings and to not be misled by false teachers.

Last chance to address the question that has been avoided: Should each believer (each priest if you will) learn from someone in the special priesthood, or should they talk to themselves and let what they hear themselves say teach him/herself?

You're wrong. Read that verse again. I John 2:27.

"But the ANOINTING which you have received from HIM abideth in you and you have no need that any man teach you. But as the same ANOINTING teaches you of all things, and is truth and is no lie, and even as it has taught you, you should abide in HIM.

Yes, John was fighting against false teachers, but who is the teacher of truth? Who is the "ANOINTING"? Who is the Truth? Who did Jesus say he was going to send and He would teach us all thing? Who?

 

[Meriweather]

You're wrong. Read that verse again. I John 2:27.

"But the ANOINTING which you have received from HIM abideth in you and you have no need that any man teach you. But as the same ANOINTING teaches you of all things, and is truth and is no lie, and even as it has taught you, you should abide in HIM.

Yes, John was fighting against false teachers, but who is the teacher of truth? Who is the "ANOINTING"? Who is the Truth? Who did Jesus say he was going to send and He would teach us all thing? Who?

Are you going to make your point or not?

 

[BS Filter]

Are you going to make your point or not?

You can't answer a simple question and the answer is right in the Scripture. Who did Jesus tell his disciples he was going to send that would teach them?

 

[Zebra]

Peter, the first Pope, was married.
In the Bibel there is talk of his mother in law