" Should Ten Commandments Lithograph Injected Into Public Education As An Artifact From History Be Excluded From Science Classrooms ? "

[SweetSue92]

The school cant mandate any religious ceremony.

PS My Christian students regularly sang songs from Jewish tradition. Tzena, Tzena, Chanukah songs. We learned the Hora.

 

[Hafar1014]

PS My Christian students regularly sang songs from Jewish tradition. Tzena, Tzena, Chanukah songs. We learned the Hora.

PS My Christian students regularly sang songs from Jewish tradition. Tzena, Tzena, Chanukah songs. We learned the Hora.

Its OK as long as teacher doesnt mandate it

 

[pknopp]

We make kids sing John Lennon's "Imagine" all the time, a stupid song if I ever heard one. Every time it comes on I end up saying "Great John, give us all your money. And your cars. And your mansions"

The song says "imagine there's no heaven" and yet Christian kids are routinely required to sing it

You pretty much simply made this up.

Now granted, on the rare occasion it's likely happened, one can question it.

 

[Hafar1014]

You pretty much simply made this up.

Now granted, on the rare occasion it's likely happened, one can question it.

Imagine is the dumbest song ever recorded. Its a celebration of communism

 

[pknopp]

Imagine is the dumbest song ever recorded. Its a celebration of communism

And if that is all that was said, I wouldn't have commented.

 

[rightwinger]

Imagine is the dumbest song ever recorded. Its a celebration of communism

Peace is a Commie Threat

 

[riseabovethis]

SweetSue92 and rightwinger did you consider the cost? There's more than 300,000 classrooms in Texas and it would cost about $20 for a picture that will last. So what Texas is doing is spending roughly $6 million to put up pictures the children will ignore after the first time they see it.

Unless your driving how often does anyone look at a sign they've already seen.

 

[rightwinger]

SweetSue92 and rightwinger did you consider the cost? There's more than 300,000 classrooms in Texas and it would cost about $20 for a picture that will last. So what Texas is doing is spending roughly $6 million to put up pictures the children will ignore after the first time they see it.

The display would have to be large enough that it would be "legible to a person with average vision from anywhere in the classroom." Another requirement in the bill says the display will need to be "at least 16 inches wide and 20 inches tall."

The poster would have to be much larger than 16x20 for every commandment to be legible from anywhere in the classroom

Ì am thinking covering a whole wall

 

[SweetSue92]

You pretty much simply made this up.

Now granted, on the rare occasion it's likely happened, one can question it.

I just love it when people with no experience in the field tell people with more than three decades what's up

How many more examples do you want, btw?

 

[pknopp]

I just love it when people with no experience in the field tell people with more than three decades what's up

How many more examples do you want, btw?

I have no doubt you can come up with 10 examples in whatever it is, 200,000 choirs.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Dream On Good Luck With Opining For Principle Against Zealous Mobs "

* Democracy For Tyranny By Collective Majority Against Foundations Of Us Republic *

Congress shall pass no laws regarding establishment of religion
I am the Lord, thy God, you shall have no God before me.

Texas requiring the Ten Commandments be posted in every classroom is a clear establishment of religion

The theistic capitalists for religious zealotry in the us have formed a cabal of group think with scotus , along with court appointed magistrates being complicit , while those representing us public interests for constitutional protections have dolts in charge of pleadings and funding .

The sedition of scotus in carson vs makin 2022 has led to treason by state legislatures , whereby taxpayers are funding sectarian education , indoctrination and proselytizing to captive audiences of children and adolescents through private school vouchers .

That a religious artifact is not relevant as a scientific artifact would be a compelling evidence of fact , however good luck believing that incompetence of contemporary jurisprudence would be able to articulate it .

* Questions About Instructional Artifacts Introduced By Individual Instructors *

. State Legislatures Seek To Violate Us 1st Amendment By Respecting An Establishment Of Religion .

" State Legislatures Seek To Violate Us 1st Amendment By Respecting An Establishment Of Religion "

* Simple Conclusion Too Complicated For The Arrogant Myopia Of Religious *

There is an obvious difference between a state dictating that some religious artifact be displayed in a classroom and a state protecting a teacher from being dismissed for displaying a religious artifact .

* LEP As Example Of Lawyers Heisting Taxpayer Money *

. Attorney General Ken Paxton Appeals Flawed Injunction and Continues to Order That the Ten Commandments Be Displayed in Texas Schools .

Are religious zealots actually so stupid as to not understand the obvious ?

* Federal Congressional States Establishment Clause Instantiation *

There are two clauses in us 1st amendment and both of them must be satisfied concurrently , not just one of them .

. Are Us States Prohibited From Complying With Us 1st Amendment By Us 10th Amendment ? .

" Disingenuous Buffoonery For Bifurcated Minds "

* Myopia Leading To Stupidity *

There are two clauses in us 1st amendment and both of them must be satisfied concurrently , not just one of them .

A state contracts for non sectarian products or services , irrespective of whether a sectarian religious observer provides the non sectarian products or services .

Us states do not contract for sectarian instruction , or indoctrination , or proselytizing , especially to captive audiences of children and adolescents , irrespective of whether tax payer funding occurs directly through government or indirectly through private voucher to individual citizens .

Us taxpayers do not fund segregation for sectarian supremacy .

* Too Sanctimonious To Recognize Its Own Mental Retardation *

The entirety of fictional ishmaelism are terrorist facilitators by doctrine and yet the arrogance , conceit , sedition and treason against us constitution and republic , by theistic trolls , is presenting clear reason as to why concurrent compliance with both clauses of us 1st amendment is required .

Texas comptroller seeks answers on school voucher exclusions

Acting Texas Comptroller Kelly Hancock suggested schools that hosted events for the Council on American-Islamic Relations or are linked to China could be disqualified from the new program.

www.texastribune.org

Acting Texas Comptroller Kelly Hancock suggested schools that hosted events for the Council on American-Islamic Relations or are linked to China could be disqualified from the new program.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" State Mandated Curriculum Guides Dictating Establishment Of Religion "

* Supporting Independence Of Instructors With Reasonable Limits On Content Optioned *

Its OK as long as teacher doesnt mandate it

Exactly , and there is an obvious difference between a state dictating that some religious artifact be displayed in a classroom and a state protecting a teacher from being dismissed for displaying a religious artifact .

A teacher is obligated to provide reasonable and comparable alternative studies for equal credit to students not able or willing to participate , even for conscientious objectors of some school activity .

Any public performance of student recitals intended by an instructor would need to be approved by school board review that would include considerations for public interest and minimal objection .

. State Legislatures Seek To Violate Us 1st Amendment By Respecting An Establishment Of Religion .

 

[SweetSue92]

I have no doubt you can come up with 10 examples in whatever it is, 200,000 choirs.

The information I have--that you have probably never pursued (why would you?) is that this song is available for kids in all kinds of voicings. Unison, two-part for elementary choirs. SAB, SATB. Etc. It's on regular rotation in many school districts.

 

[Gary Seven]

I'm sorry, but this is just dumb. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The Ten Commandments was written for God's people. Why are we posting about, say, adultery in school buildings? For pity's sake, we have bigger fish to fry, and I hope the SC will weigh in honorably on this. There is no educational content in posting these in schools, and no curricular reason for doing so.

And I say this as a Christian.

The Ten Commandments are a part of history whether we are Christians or not. So is the Quran and so are the Vedas and Upanishads. I am not a Christian, yet I do value the morality enshrouded by the Ten Commandments and also other scriptures of other faiths. I don't feel any of them should be posted as social or cultural axioms in schools, such as the pledge of allegiance is posted under the flag in some classrooms. In American classrooms we are all Americans, and we SHOULD be required to know the Pledge in order to be a citizen of this country, but we are not all Christians nor are we required to be. So Christian scripture along with all other religious scriptures should remain in history books in schools but not adorn the walls.

 

[Woodznutz]

Congress shall pass no laws regarding establishment of religion
I am the Lord, thy God, you shall have no God before me.

Texas requiring the Ten Commandments be posted in every classroom is a clear establishment of religion

Neither Texas or any other state is the "Congress". The first Amendment is a federal law. Posting scripture in public places doesn't establish a religion. Most people just ignore it. Of course, the irony is that all states enforce "laws" against murder, theft, and perjury; three of the ten commandments. Several states still have "blue" or "Sunday" laws that mimic the Sabbath commandment.

 

[rightwinger]

Neither Texas or any other state is the "Congress". The first Amendment is a federal law. Posting scripture in public places doesn't establish a religion. Most people just ignore it. Of course, the irony is that all states enforce "laws" against murder, theft, and perjury; three of the ten commandments.

Texas signed up to the U.S. Constitution before they became a state.

States enforce laws against murder, theft and perjury but do not enforce laws about honoring a specific God or not using his name in vain

By requiring the posting…..You shall have no God before me, you are advocating a specific religion

 

[pknopp]

Neither Texas or any other state is the "Congress". The first Amendment is a federal law. Posting scripture in public places doesn't establish a religion. Most people just ignore it. Of course, the irony is that all states enforce "laws" against murder, theft, and perjury; three of the ten commandments.

which are also noted in other religions. We happily ignore 3, 4, 7, 9 and 10.

 

[Woodznutz]

...not using his name in vain

Taking his name in vain, as in the marriage contract. The ten commandments is/was a marriage contract between God and Israel. The commandments are the terms of the contract.

It's useful to know what we're talking about here.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Perversions From Prurience Of The Puritanical "

* Sadism Masochism Shame Game *

I'm sorry, but this is just dumb. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The Ten Commandments was written for God's people. Why are we posting about, say, adultery in school buildings? For pity's sake, we have bigger fish to fry, and I hope the SC will weigh in honorably on this. There is no educational content in posting these in schools, and no curricular reason for doing so.
And I say this as a Christian.

The issue of adultery is definitely a trigger for ascetics maintaining abstinence only moral lists and emphasizing puritanism , chastity , monogamy and admonition against bigamy and promiscuity .

Among contemporary political action groups , funding from theistic capitalists is robust in propaganda for moralism and towards bureaucratic positions .

The theistic socialists and theistic communists , which were being tithed from a tax payer funded gravy train to inundate etas unis with illegal migrants , concur with the moralism lexicon and conspire for tax payer funding of religious instruction through private school vouchers .

Mayes Middleton - Wikipedia is running a 2026 campaign for texas attorney general , with political adds lauding ten commandments in public schools , while also facilitating religious education through private school vouchers .

The role of a us state attorney general is to defend legislation passed by its bureaucracy , and legislation implemented with malicious compliance and coaxing challenges to maintain extremes for public policy also wields funding through auspices of a us state .

The private sector is not endowed in advance with funding by a us state to pursue challenges against legislation that violates a constitution or laws of a us state or of us federate , where recompense may be received only possibly through tort .

 

[Woodznutz]

Congress shall pass no laws regarding establishment of religion
I am the Lord, thy God, you shall have no God before me.

Texas requiring the Ten Commandments be posted in every classroom is a clear establishment of religion

Texas is already a pretty religious state. The kids likely bring religious values into the classrooms with them.