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No...those criminals will be screwed....but we can isolate them in their already isolated prison cells.........rather than let them out to attack normal citizens....
Or we could have common sense gun control so they can't get guns so easily... naw, that would be silly.
Let's keep locking up millions of people in close quarters. Yeah, that makes sense.
We have common sense gun control....the problem is that the democrat party politicians, as above, judges and prosecutors keep letting violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail and prison...over and over again........
We don't have a gun problem, we don't have a normal people who own guns problem.....we have a problem with the democrat party letting violent, repeat gun offenders out of prison.......over and over again...they are the ones driving the gun crime and murder rate....
What do you think should be the consequences for stealing or destroying someone else's property?Wow, so you were inconvenienced for a couple of days. Yes, that's totally a good reason to lock someone up for life at a cost of $90,000 a year.
What do you think should be the consequences for stealing or destroying someone else's property?Wow, so you were inconvenienced for a couple of days. Yes, that's totally a good reason to lock someone up for life at a cost of $90,000 a year.
I know you're talking to JoeB, but I'm curious: do you think that is a question with a single answer? If someone steals or destroys another's pen, should the penalty be the same as if they steal or destroy another's car, in other words?
I know you're talking to JoeB, but I'm curious: do you think that is a question with a single answer? If someone steals or destroys another's pen, should the penalty be the same as if they steal or destroy another's car, in other words?
Obviously, stealing and vandalism cover a very wide range. I've asked that question, now three or four times of JoeB131 without receiving an answer. In asking it, I was responding to his apparent position that a specific crime that was committed against me is not worthy of the perpetrator going to jail. This is a crime that cost me several hundreds of dollars in losses, that I really couldn't have afforded to lose at that time, and seriously threatened my continued ability to make a living. Had most of my stolen tools not been recovered, I'd have been seriously screwed. I need those tools to make my living, and I would not have been able to replace them at that time. It was bad enough having to bear the costs of repairing the damage to my car, and replacing the tools that were not recovered, not to mention the lost wages from having to miss work to deal with all of this.
It's not just an attack on my property; it's an attack on my ability to put food on my table, keep a roof over my head, and otherwise to meet my survival needs along with those of my wife.
That same morning, several other cars in my apartment complex were also broken into, and in total, probably several thousands of dollars worth of property stolen from them, probably all by that same one subhuman piece of shit.
JoeB131 seems to think that someone who commits such a crime as that, which causes so much harm to another, and has the potential to cause so much more, doesn't merit throwing the subhuman piece of shit in prison who commits such a crime. I'm trying to get him to say what he thinks the consequences should be for committing such a crime.
Obviously, stealing and vandalism cover a very wide range. I've asked that question, now three or four times of @JoeB131 without receiving an answer. In asking it, I was responding to his apparent position that a specific crime that was committed against me is not worthy of the perpetrator going to jail. This is a crime that cost me several hundreds of dollars in losses, that I really couldn't have afforded to lose at that time, and seriously threatened my continued ability to make a living. Had most of my stolen tools not been recovered, I'd have been seriously screwed. I need those tools to make my living, and I would not have been able to replace them at that time. It was bad enough having to bear the costs of repairing the damage to my car, and replacing the tools that were not recovered, not to mention the lost wages from having to miss work to deal with all of this.
@JoeB131 seems to think that someone who commits such a crime as that, which causes so much harm to another, and has the potential to cause so much more, doesn't merit throwing the subhuman piece of shit in prison who commits such a crime. I'm trying to get him to say what he thinks the consequences should be for committing such a crime.
If you didn't have insurance, that's on you, buddy.
Force him to make restitution, have a fund to make up the rest of your loses.
He should make monetary restitution, being garnished out of any future wages.
The real problem is our system would throw him in jail (Costing about $40,000 a year) because you lost a few hundred dollars in property damage and wages.
So your response is that it is the responsibility of the potential victim of a crime to be able to absorb the cost of being victimized.
It is no surprise, of course, that ultimately, you blame the victim rather than the perpetrator.
So, the piece of shit who commits a crime, if he gets caught, has to, in effect, give back what he stole. Otherwise, no consequences.
No, the problem is that for whatever reason, we have more than our fair share of subhuman piece of shit running around, who are willing to cause harm to others, for their own selfish purposes; and we do not impose nearly sufficient consequences on them for their crimes.
You probably would love California's 2014 Proposition 47. The LIbEral filth that infest our state government lied to the people to get this proposition voted into law. They promised that it would make us safer, by changing the way crimes were prioritized for enforcement.
The practical effect has been that certain broad classes of crimes, deemed “non-violent” do not get investigated or prosecuted at all. And the result has been a massive increase in the crimes so reclassified.
That's what happens when you allow pieces of subhuman shit to commit crimes with impunity, without any fear of being arrested or prosecuted or otherwise held accountable. They commit more crime, and there is nothing to stop them.
Works for me. What we are doing (Locking people up for years, rendering them unemployable, having a bloated Prison-Industrial Complex) isn't working.
I don't know why that guy broke into your car. Maybe he was hungry. Maybe he was addicted to drugs and couldn't get into a program. Or maybe they were just some teenage kids showing very bad judgment.
It is very noticeable that you are quite eager to make excuses for criminals, to defend them, to take their side.
Criminal don't commit crimes because of any of the excuses you make. They don't commit crimes because their neighbor is a racist, or because society is unfair, or whatever.
They commit crimes because they are subhuman pieces of shit who, at best, do not care what harm they cause to others, in order to fulfill their own selfish desires. These are the vermin who will do tens of thousands of dollars to an HVAC system, just to steal few dollars worth of copper wire. Or hundreds of dollars of damage to a car to steal a few tools. They don't care.
It is also very noticeable, from your various postings, in various topics, that you posses the very same attitudes that criminals do. You don't care about good or evil. You don't care about truth or falsehood. You don't care how others are negatively impacted by the policies that you advocate.
You think this supports your point, that we should be allowing more criminal to go free?
I think that what it proves is that we are turning criminals loose, to prey again on society, that we ought to be permanently removing from free society, either by keeping them in prison for life, or else by putting them to death.
A century or so ago, most of these criminals would have served their sentences at the end of a rope. The recidivism rate was much, much lower, then, and the rest of us were safer.
The chart proves, WHAT WE ARE DOING DOESN'T WORK. The ideal goal is that after we are through with them in the criminal justice system, they should come out, their debt to society paid as productive citizens. Instead, we don't reform them, we throw them back out on the street, and we act surprise when they commit more crimes.
Wow, did you just advocate LYNCHING. Hey, buddy, maybe you need to look up the history of LYNCHING and get back to me.
So, wait, you want to murder people for property crimes, and you don't think you're an evil person.
what we are doing is turning criminals loose, who ought not be turned loose. People who have proven themselves unwilling or unable to peaceably coexist with the rest of society, who, if given a chance, will continue to commit more crime, and victimize more innocent victims.
I'm all for rehabilitation,where it is workable, but the undeniable fact remains, that there are @some people who simply have no conscience, no sense of right or wrong, and who do not care what harm they do to others or else actively wish to harm others. It makes no more sense to set @such people loose in society, than it does to important dangerous wild animals and turn them loose in populated areas.
No, I did not advocate murder, and I did not advocate lynching. Lynching is when vigilantes, lacking the proper legal authority, and without due process of law, kill someone that they think may have committed a crime. I don't advocate that. I am talking about proper legal punishments, imposed by the judicial process, after the defendant has been giving a fair trial by jury.
I don't know why that guy broke into your car. Maybe he was hungry. Maybe he was addicted to drugs and couldn't get into a program. Or maybe they were just some teenage kids showing very bad judgment.
Point is, no one died, no one was injured. You were angry, I get that, but at the end of the day, the total damages were only a few hundred. Certainly not worth the $40,000 to lock him up to teach him he did a bad thing.
Do you actually have links to this, or are you doing "Feels" again.You probably would love California's 2014 Proposition 47. The LIbEral filth that infest our state government lied to the people to get this proposition voted into law. They promised that it would make us safer, by changing the way crimes were prioritized for enforcement.
The practical effect has been that certain broad classes of crimes, deemed “non-violent” do not get investigated or prosecuted at all. And the result has been a massive increase in the crimes so reclassified.
Quite the contrary, I don't define "good and evil" the way you do, which is a racist, sexist and classist way of defining it. I recognize that as a white, straight male, I pretty much got an e-ticket in this country the moment I was born. What we are doing now in criminal justice, which is essentially creating a permanent underclass, at the cost of billions of dollars, really does negatively impact others.
When we start giving Rich White people the same brutal punishments we give poor people of color, then you can come back to me and talk about "Judicial Process".
Wow, did you just imply that I engage in criminal activity? Doesn't your bible say something about "bearing false witness"?
Except that we were talking about property crimes, not crimes against people. Do try to keep up, Mormon Bob. Locking someone up for stealing some wire, or a few tools, is just daft.
It doesn't matter why he broke into my car and stole my tools. It doesn't matter why he broke into several of my neighbor's cars, and stole from them.
What matters is that whoever he is, and whyever he did it, he's a subhuman of shit, who doesn't care what harm he causes to others, who doesn't care if his actions mean that someone else might not be able to earn an honest living, to keep a roof over his head or food on his table, because of his own selfish actions. Not willing to earn his own honest living, he's perfectly happy to deny others the ability to do so as well. He's a subhuman animal who needs to be removed from free society, if he will not respect the rights of others.
Here are some links to discussions on this forum which mention Proposition 47 and its consequences. California is pretty much turning into your version of Paradise, where subhuman pieces of shit are free to commit certain classes of crimes with impunity, with no fear of any legal consequences.
Playing the “racism”, “sexism”, “classism” and other “bigotry” cards is what your kind do when you know that you are hopelessly losing an argument. In this case, your use of these cards is bullshit, and you know damn well that it's bullshit.
I don't know what you do or don't do. I only know what attitudes you openly express on this forum.
You certainly undeniably, are on the side of thieves and vandals and similar subhuman vermin. Why would you be on that side, unless you're one of them?
Crimes against property •ARE• crimes against people.
How about links to actual news articles, not your angry opinions about them?
Maybe because I'm a decent human being…
Maybe because I'm a decent human being who doesn't like the racism and cruelty of this society? But I'm sure that concept is lost on you, as you belong to a cult that believes some messed up stuff.
You see, when you rationalize the racism and the poverty in this society, and refuse to support a safety net for the poorest in our society, you really don't have much of a place to complain.
The links I provided were to discussions on this forum,most of which I haven;t participated directly in. Those discussion contain links to the actual article about the crime waves that have resulted from Proposition 47.
You are one of the most evil, depraved, sociopathic pieces of subhuman shit that I have ever encountered in any context. You have no grasp at all of what decency is, much less any claim to it.
And ultimately, you cannot help, either, revealing yourself to be on the side of thieves and parasites who are unwilling to even try to honestly earn their own living, and who will only live by taking what other people have worked hard to earn; while equally being against the side of decent, honest, hard-working law-abiding citizens.
It is no wonder that you support this or any other excuse to turn dangerous criminals loose, to increasingly prey on law-abiding citizens. And really, no need to wonder about your own ethical character. Again, be known by the company that you choose to keep.
Some of those threads weren't even about Prop 47, and I really don't have the time or patience to wade through them all.
As I'm fond of saying..
Then the poor steal it's called "Crime".
When the rich steal it's called profits.
I've lost a lot more to the theft by the rich than I've ever lost to theft by the poor.
What do you think the result would be, of greatly reducing, or entirely removing, the legal consequences of committing broad categories of crime, if not to result in higher rates of those crimes being committed, and greater harm to the law-abiding as a result of the increased crime rate? Good news, if you're a @criminal, or someone who openly sides with criminals, but bad news if you're a law-abiding citizen.
That's just your usual absurd shtick about how you've been victimized so many times, by so many different groups, one of your usual being “the rich”; the same group that makes opportunities available for honest folks to earn our livings honestly.
For my part, nearly all that I have, materially, I have as a result of wealthier people than myself, starting and running businesses which gave me the opportunity to be employed, to earn the wealth that allowed me to meet my basic survival needs, and to have some luxuries beyond that. The same is true of nearly all honest, productive, law-abiding citizens.
What does it tell us about you, that you don't think this is true of you? Combined with other expressions of your overall attitude, nothing good.