CDZ Should prisoners be released from jail and prison over the Chinese virus?

[JoeB131]

No...George Ryan was about to go to trial and he was hoping to sway the jury pool by commuting the death penalty.......

Ryan commuted the DP in 2003, because of all of the irregularities, John Burge torture squads and all the other nonsense that went on.

He wasn't put on trial for his crimes until 2006.

Bit of a gap there, TinyGuy.

 

[JoeB131]

Gun murder in the U.S...

10,265

Nope, wrong again.

More like 14,542.

Guns in the United States — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Gun law, gun control statistics, number of guns in United States, gun deaths, firearm facts and policy, armed violence, public health and development

www.gunpolicy.org

Both numbers are WAY too high compared to other industrialized democracies.

 

[2aguy]

Gang killers, knowing their targets would be home for Christmas, launched a bloody weekend of shootings in Chicago that left 11 dead and another 37 wounded.

"We now know that the majority of these shootings and homicides were targeted attacks by gangs against potential rivals who were at holiday gatherings. This was followed by several acts of retaliatory gun violence," police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said in a statement Monday.

Had nothing to do with my point.

I'm a numbers guy.. except I actually bother to research numbers.

National Youth Gang Survey Analysis: Measuring the Extent of Gang Problems

The NGC conducted an annual survey of law enforcement agencies to assess the extent of gang problems. This page shows data measuring the extent of gang problems.

www.nationalgangcenter.gov

Gang related homicides between 2008 and 2012 averaged 2000 a year out of some 17,000 homicides.

So we still have all those other homicides, which is things like people killing family members over who drank the last can of Milwaukee's Best.

Wrong.....again, as actual research shows 90% of murderers have long histories of crime an violence, they are not normal people killing the wife over a t.v. remote........

Roy Exum: How We Stop The Bullets

David Kennedy, a renowned criminal justice professor and co-chair of the National Network for Safe Communities, believes that places like the 1500 block of East 50th Street where Deontrey was killed, or Central Avenue where two other Chattanoogans were shot around the same time, aren’t necessarily bad areas. Good people live in those areas, just as the overwhelming numbers of those who live in our inner city are decent and law-abiding citizens.

No, our new focus isn’t on neighborhoods like Alton Park or East Chattanooga but instead on “hot” places” and “hot” people. In an article entitled, “The Story Behind the Nation’s Falling Body Count,” Kennedy writes, “Research on hot spots shows violence to be concentrated in ‘micro’ places, rather than ‘dangerous neighborhoods,’ as the popular idea goes. Blocks, corners, and buildings representing just five or six percent of an entire city will drive half of its serious crime.”

The same is true about people. “We now know that homicide and gun violence are overwhelmingly concentrated among serious offenders operating in groups: gangs, drug crews, and the like representing under half of one percent of a city's population who commit half to three-quarters of all murders.”

Read it once more: “ … under half of one percent … commit half to three-quarters of all murders.”

It is vitally important for us to realize the recent “worst of the worst” roundup had very little to do with race, yet to the uninformed it clearly appeared that only blacks were targeted.

Try to forget that all were black and focus instead on the far greater fact – there is ample evidence that each is alleged to be a serious criminal.

Kennedy writes, “We also know some reliable predictors of risk: individuals who have a history of violence or a close connection with prior victims are far more likely to be involved in violence themselves.


Hot groups and people are so hot that when their offending is statistically abstracted, their neighborhoods cease to be dangerous. Their communities aren't dangerous; (these criminals) are.”

 

[2aguy]

No...George Ryan was about to go to trial and he was hoping to sway the jury pool by commuting the death penalty.......

Ryan commuted the DP in 2003, because of all of the irregularities, John Burge torture squads and all the other nonsense that went on.

He wasn't put on trial for his crimes until 2006.

Bit of a gap there, TinyGuy.

Wrong...he was going to trial for the corruption in his administration and was trying to tamper with the jury pool by ending the death penalty.......

 

[Indeependent]

No...those criminals will be screwed....but we can isolate them in their already isolated prison cells.........rather than let them out to attack normal citizens....

Or we could have common sense gun control so they can't get guns so easily... naw, that would be silly.

Let's keep locking up millions of people in close quarters. Yeah, that makes sense.

You are an idiot.
There are no lack of guns in Hempstead, Uniondale or Roosevelt.

 

[2aguy]

No...George Ryan was about to go to trial and he was hoping to sway the jury pool by commuting the death penalty.......

Ryan commuted the DP in 2003, because of all of the irregularities, John Burge torture squads and all the other nonsense that went on.

He wasn't put on trial for his crimes until 2006.

Bit of a gap there, TinyGuy.

Wrong...he was going to trial for the corruption in his administration and was trying to tamper with the jury pool by ending the death penalty.......

Gang killers, knowing their targets would be home for Christmas, launched a bloody weekend of shootings in Chicago that left 11 dead and another 37 wounded.

"We now know that the majority of these shootings and homicides were targeted attacks by gangs against potential rivals who were at holiday gatherings. This was followed by several acts of retaliatory gun violence," police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said in a statement Monday.

Had nothing to do with my point.

I'm a numbers guy.. except I actually bother to research numbers.

National Youth Gang Survey Analysis: Measuring the Extent of Gang Problems

The NGC conducted an annual survey of law enforcement agencies to assess the extent of gang problems. This page shows data measuring the extent of gang problems.

www.nationalgangcenter.gov

Gang related homicides between 2008 and 2012 averaged 2000 a year out of some 17,000 homicides.

So we still have all those other homicides, which is things like people killing family members over who drank the last can of Milwaukee's Best.

You aren't a "numbers guy, " because none of your numbers is accurate or truthful....

From the CDC research...

When Gun Violence Felt Like a Disease, a City in Delaware Turned to the C.D.C.



When epidemiologists from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention came to this city, they were not here to track an outbreak of meningitis or study the effectiveness of a particular vaccine.

They were here to examine gun violence.

This city of about 70,000 had a 45 percent jump in shootings from 2011 to 2013, and the violence has remained stubbornly high; 25 shooting deaths have been reported this year, slightly more than last year, according to the mayor’s office
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The final report, which has been submitted to the state, reached a conclusion that many here said they already knew: that there are certain patterns in the lives of many who commit gun violence.
“The majority of individuals involved in urban firearm violence are young men with substantial violence involvement preceding the more serious offense of a firearm crime,”


the report said. “Our findings suggest that integrating data systems could help these individuals better receive the early, comprehensive help that they need to prevent violence involvement.”

Researchers analyzed data on 569 people charged with firearm crimes from 2009 to May 21, 2014, and looked for certain risk factors in their lives, such as whether they had been unemployed, had received help from assistance programs, had been possible victims of child abuse, or had been shot or stabbed. The idea was to show that linking such data could create a better understanding of who might need help before becoming involved in violence.

 

[JoeB131]

Wrong.....again, as actual research shows 90% of murderers have long histories of crime an violence, they are not normal people killing the wife over a t.v. remote........

Guy, one third of the country has a "Criminal Record". That really doesn't prove all that much other than it's way too easy to get a criminal record.

 

[JoeB131]

You aren't a "numbers guy, " because none of your numbers is accurate or truthful....

Says the guy who says bathtubs are more dangerous than guns...

 

[2aguy]

Gun murder in the U.S...

10,265

Nope, wrong again.

More like 14,542.

Guns in the United States — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Gun law, gun control statistics, number of guns in United States, gun deaths, firearm facts and policy, armed violence, public health and development

www.gunpolicy.org

Both numbers are WAY too high compared to other industrialized democracies.

Our problem is caused by the policies of the democrat party and the democrat party judges and prosecutors who keep letting known, repeat gun offenders out of jail.....those are the criminals shooting each other in large numbers...........

 

[JoeB131]

You know Joe is insane.

Naw, insanity is 33,000 gun deaths a year and doing nothing about it.

If we treated guns like we treated Covid-19, we'd be violence free.

 

[2aguy]

You aren't a "numbers guy, " because none of your numbers is accurate or truthful....

Says the guy who says bathtubs are more dangerous than guns...

Wrong.....more kids die in bathtubs than in mass public school shootings....but honesty has never been your strong point.

 

[JoeB131]

Our problem is caused by the policies of the democrat party and the democrat party judges and prosecutors who keep letting known, repeat gun offenders out of jail.....those are the criminals shooting each other in large numbers...........

No, our problem is the gun industry has flooded our streets with guns, with no concern about who gets them.

 

[2aguy]

You know Joe is insane.

Naw, insanity is 33,000 gun deaths a year and doing nothing about it.

If we treated guns like we treated Covid-19, we'd be violence free.

And here you are....lying again....

You know that of the 33,000 gun deaths, over 20,000 are suicides....and no gun control law will stop someone from committing suicide.....so you throw in the suicides to make your number look bigger.....

 

[2aguy]

Our problem is caused by the policies of the democrat party and the democrat party judges and prosecutors who keep letting known, repeat gun offenders out of jail.....those are the criminals shooting each other in large numbers...........

No, our problem is the gun industry has flooded our streets with guns, with no concern about who gets them.

The ones using the guns for murder are criminals released from jail and prison by the democrat party judges and prosecutors......stop that and 95% of our gun crime disappears....

 

[Indeependent]

You know Joe is insane.

Naw, insanity is 33,000 gun deaths a year and doing nothing about it.

If we treated guns like we treated Covid-19, we'd be violence free.

I work in these areas and I know for a fact that you're an idiot.
In these areas, pussy is more important than life.

 

[2aguy]

Our problem is caused by the policies of the democrat party and the democrat party judges and prosecutors who keep letting known, repeat gun offenders out of jail.....those are the criminals shooting each other in large numbers...........

No, our problem is the gun industry has flooded our streets with guns, with no concern about who gets them.

Wrong....as more Americans, law abiding Americans own and carry guns, our gun crime and gun murder rates went down, not up.......so you are wrong...gun ownership doesn't cause gun crime.....

Releasing known, violent, gun offenders over and over again causes gun crime, and that is due to the democrat party...

In the U.S. as more Americans not only own guns, but now carry them for self defense, our gun murder rate went down 49%...

With what you believe....how do you explain that?

In the U.S. as more Americans not only own but now carry guns our gun crime rate went down 75%....

With what you believe,.....how do you explain that?

In the U.S. as more Americans not only own guns but carry them for self defense, our violent crime rate went down 72%.....

With what you believe, how do you explain that?


Nothing you believe about guns is supported by actual facts, the truth, or reality on the ground......how do you justify your believes beyond simply not liking guns?

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Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.



The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.



Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...



Britain...
More Guns = More Gun Crime

Britain had access to guns before they banned them.....they had low gun crime, low gun murder.

They banned guns, the gun murder rate spiked for 10 years then returned to the same level...

Your Theory again....

More guns = More Gun Crime

Guns Banned creates no change? That means banning guns for law abiding gun owners had no effect on gun crime.

When your theory states one thing, and you implement your theory, and nothing changes....in science, that means your theory is wrong...
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Maine tops ‘safest states’ rankings four years after removing major gun restriction

When Maine passed a “Constitutional Carry” law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.



One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.

Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.


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Now four years later, Maine has been named the safest state in the nation according to US News and World Report’s public safety rankings, which measures the fifty states based on crime data.



Ranking as the top safest state for violent crime and fourth for property crime, Maine edges out another New England state, Vermont, for the top spot. Of note, Vermont also is a “Constitutional Carry” state. New Hampshire ranks third in the national rankings, giving New England all three of the top spots in the nation.

In 2018, Maine was edged out by Vermont in the same “safest states” ranking, but declared the best state overall in the broader “Crime and Corrections” category.

In 2017, using a different methodology, Maine was ranked second among the fifty states in the “Crime and Corrections” category and also second in the categories used to rank the “safest states.”

The U.S. News and World Report “Best States” rankings are built in partnership with McKinsey & Company, a firm that works closely with state leaders around the nation.

Maine has also ranked at the top of other state rankings. WalletHub.com recently ranked Maine second in “Personal and Residential Safety” among the fifty states, and third overall.
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Bolsonaro's Brazil, More Legal Guns, Homicide Rates Down Precipitously

In December, 2018, in an article published by the Wall Street Journal, this pronouncement was made. From the wsj.com:

Now, Brazil is set to embark on an experiment that will determine what happens when you loosen gun restrictions in a country battling an overpowering wave of gun crime.

Homicides in Brazil were at historic highs in 2017. They dropped a bit in 2018, as candidate Bolsonaro ran on reform of the gun laws to allow self defense, and reform of the law to get tough on crime. The homicide numbers dropped from 59,000 in 2017, to 51,000 in 2018. President Bolsonaro was elected in October of 2018.

After taking office on 1 January, 2019, President Bolsonaro issued his first decree reforming some of Brazil's extreme gun laws on 15 January, 2019. The drop in Brazil's homicide rate accelerated.
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Early in the Bolsonaro presidency, a Brazilian lawyer prediceted the homicide rate would drop. From ammoland.com:

César Mello, asked that I include information that early reports are showing a 25% drop in Brazil's homicide rate, in the first quarter of 2019. If this trend continues, 16,000 lives will have been saved in the first year of President Bolsonaro's time in office.

The rate reduction was not quite that high. Only 10,000 lives were saved. From wtop.com:

Brazil had 41,635 killings in 2019, down 19% from the prior year and the least number of homicides since 2007, when the so-called Violence Monitor index was launched. It is a partnership between the non-profit Brazilian Forum of Public Security, the University of Sao Paulo’s Center for the Study of Violence, and news website G1, which published the data Friday.

When translated to homicide rates, the rate dropped 17% in 2018, then 23% more in 2019. The population of Brazil in 2019 was 210 million. The rate of homicides per 100,000 was 19.83. That is less than 2/3 of the homicide rate in 2017, which was 30.8.

 

[JoeB131]

And here you are....lying again....

You know that of the 33,000 gun deaths, over 20,000 are suicides....

Tell you what, buddy, next time someone offs themselves with a gun... go to their family and tell them, "It doesn't count, it was a suicide!!!"

 

[2aguy]

And here you are....lying again....

You know that of the 33,000 gun deaths, over 20,000 are suicides....

Tell you what, buddy, next time someone offs themselves with a gun... go to their family and tell them, "It doesn't count, it was a suicide!!!"

You lied about gun deaths, now having been caught, you resort to cheap emotion to hide getting caught.

 

[Indeependent]

And here you are....lying again....

You know that of the 33,000 gun deaths, over 20,000 are suicides....

Tell you what, buddy, next time someone offs themselves with a gun... go to their family and tell them, "It doesn't count, it was a suicide!!!"

In Black areas it's an expression of argument settlement.

 

[JoeB131]

I work in these areas and I know for a fact that you're an idiot.
In these areas, pussy is more important than life.

Wow, buddy... Are we going to get treated to more of your "wisdom" from white supremacist websites... You'd probably shit yourself if you ran into an actual minority.