Should Muslim Cake Makers Be Required to Depict the Prophet Muhammed on a Cake?

[Silhouette]

I ask this not only for a cake making company which is expressly muslim, but also for any private cakemaker not publicly affiliated with a Muslim company but who on religious principle must refuse to depict the Prophet Muhammed in any way shape or form.

If I, for any reason, demanded for my wedding or some other event that a muslim cake maker make me a cake with the prophet Muhammed's personage depicted on it, can I sue that person for not making that cake for me?

Discuss.

 

[Mr. H.]

You can sue anyone for any reason.

 

[tyroneweaver]

I would use Accurate No 5 as the cake mix.

 

[ScienceRocks]

If gays are to be allowed. WHy not?

 

[Gracie]

"I have the right to refuse service to anyone".
If that sign is on the wall, it pretty much sums it up what the bakery's policies are. Should the baker be forced? No. Should he be sued? No. Perhaps the person wanting that image on their cake should go to a bakery that would love to have their business and agree to do so.

 

[Clementine]

Personally, I would not enjoy eating something that I forced someone to make. People should be able to refuse service to anyone based on religious beliefs.

Does anyone think Muslims would bake a cake with Jesus on it?

 

[Silhouette]

The didactic point of this thread is to force those on the far left who belong to the religion of sexual rebellion to consider whether or not a muslim should be required to put Muhammed's personage on a cake for a wedding, or whatever.

Of course the answer is no. It's a solid resounding "NO!" And since that's the case, that's the case. Get it?

 

[Coyote]

I ask this not only for a cake making company which is expressly muslim, but also for any private cakemaker not publicly affiliated with a Muslim company but who on religious principle must refuse to depict the Prophet Muhammed in any way shape or form.

If I, for any reason, demanded for my wedding or some other event that a muslim cake maker make me a cake with the prophet Muhammed's personage depicted on it, can I sue that person for not making that cake for me?

Discuss.

Cake makers can refuse to make any sort of depiction they want. For example if a person wanted a pornographic cake I'm quite sure they are well within their rights to refer them elsewhere.

 

[Katzndogz]

Of course not. The government isn't interested in punishing muslims.

 

[norwegen]

This scenario would never materialize. Muslims wouldn't order such a cake, nor would anyone else except to harass or test the cake maker.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

I ask this not only for a cake making company which is expressly muslim, but also for any private cakemaker not publicly affiliated with a Muslim company but who on religious principle must refuse to depict the Prophet Muhammed in any way shape or form.

If I, for any reason, demanded for my wedding or some other event that a muslim cake maker make me a cake with the prophet Muhammed's personage depicted on it, can I sue that person for not making that cake for me?

Discuss.

Depicting the prophet Mohammed isn't forbidden by Islam. It's one of those things that's made it's way into consciousness as being forbidden, but it's not. A lot of classical period art with Mohammed in it.

As a matter of US law, I'm not sure where courts are coming down on this sort of issue.

Good page here though about the issue of depicting Mohammed,
Distorting a distortion: Depicting Muhammad in Art | Flopping Aces

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Personally, I would not enjoy eating something that I forced someone to make. People should be able to refuse service to anyone based on religious beliefs.

Does anyone think Muslims would bake a cake with Jesus on it?

Why not? Jesus is a bigger figure in Islam than even Mohammed.

 

[Politico]

What if it was a bacon cake?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

At first I was thinking 'what are you from the South?' but then I saw the point.

I wouldn't press any business to make me what I want if they don't wanna make it. Last thing you should ever do is upset the people who handle your food.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I ask this not only for a cake making company which is expressly muslim, but also for any private cakemaker not publicly affiliated with a Muslim company but who on religious principle must refuse to depict the Prophet Muhammed in any way shape or form.

If I, for any reason, demanded for my wedding or some other event that a muslim cake maker make me a cake with the prophet Muhammed's personage depicted on it, can I sue that person for not making that cake for me?

Discuss.

You could ‘sue’ but you’d not get very far.

Given the fact that a Muslim baker doesn’t depict the Prophet Muhammad on cakes as a rule, and that you don’t belong to a particular class of persons, no civil rights or public accommodations laws have been violated, and consequently no lawsuit would be valid.

Even if you belonged to a particular class of persons, no violations would have taken place, as you’re requesting a good or service the baker does not provide in the first place.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Personally, I would not enjoy eating something that I forced someone to make. People should be able to refuse service to anyone based on religious beliefs.

Does anyone think Muslims would bake a cake with Jesus on it?

Incorrect.

If a business is in a jurisdiction subject to public accommodations laws prohibiting discrimination based on religion, gender, race, or sexual orientation, the business owner may not refuse to accommodate a member of the general public based on the owner’s ‘religious beliefs.’ See Employment Division of Oregon v. Smith (1990).

 

[Noomi]

I ask this not only for a cake making company which is expressly muslim, but also for any private cakemaker not publicly affiliated with a Muslim company but who on religious principle must refuse to depict the Prophet Muhammed in any way shape or form.

If I, for any reason, demanded for my wedding or some other event that a muslim cake maker make me a cake with the prophet Muhammed's personage depicted on it, can I sue that person for not making that cake for me?

Discuss.

You are not allowed to depict the Prophet in a drawing, a painting, or a cake.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Yes you are. The belief you can't is one of many made-up, not-Scriptural things that have become mixed in with Islam. Happens in most all religions.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

"Depicting Muhammad in art, even if rarely done, still has a long history in Islam. The belief that you can’t draw or depict Muhammad’s likeness because if you do, you are insulting Islam and the Prophet Muhammad is somewhat of a recent, modern convention than a traditional one."
Distorting a distortion: Depicting Muhammad in Art | Flopping Aces

If done respectfully it's kinda like how I as a Jew omit a letter in a name referring to G-d. You can obscure the face or otherwise make it non-specific while still obviously intending it to be the prophet. Though you can not omit or hide detail too. It isn't forbidden anywhere in the Qur'an or a-Hadiths.

I had thought it might be the idolatry prohibition like, but it's not. It's more about opening up the possibility of the image being disrespecting so don't do it at all. But it's not actually Scripturally forbidden, just something that's forbidden in practice.

 

[bianco]

I ask this not only for a cake making company which is expressly muslim, but also for any private cakemaker not publicly affiliated with a Muslim company but who on religious principle must refuse to depict the Prophet Muhammed in any way shape or form.

If I, for any reason, demanded for my wedding or some other event that a muslim cake maker make me a cake with the prophet Muhammed's personage depicted on it, can I sue that person for not making that cake for me?

Discuss.

You could ‘sue’ but you’d not get very far.

Given the fact that a Muslim baker doesn’t depict the Prophet Muhammad on cakes as a rule, and that you don’t belong to a particular class of persons, no civil rights or public accommodations laws have been violated, and consequently no lawsuit would be valid.

Even if you belonged to a particular class of persons, no violations would have taken place, as you’re requesting a good or service the baker does not provide in the first place.

Probably best not to go 'depicting Muhammed' and naming your teddy bear Muhammed in Africa;

Teacher facing 40 lashes over teddy bear 'insult' - World - smh.com.au

2007

Teacher facing 40 lashes over teddy bear 'insult'

A British primary school teacher is in a Sudanese jail facing 40 lashes if she's convicted of insulting Islam's prophet Muhammed by letting children name a teddy bear after him.

Gillian Gibbons who's 54 is in a Khartoum prison cell after being arrested on suspicion of blasphemy on Sunday.

Gibbons who taught primary age children at the Unity High School in Khartoum allowed her class of seven-year-olds to name a teddy bear Mohammed as part of a lesson about animal habitats.

The name Mohammed is sacred to Islamic philosophy and the penalty for blasphemy is 40 lashes, a large fine or a jail term.