HaShev
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Father Spitzer's (of EWTN) latest rant that the Shroud (which has been disproved by science and history) is somehow proof of God's existance is stupidity at the highest level making him either the greatest of liars or too stupid to represent the church and be of any help to people.
SO should he step down or be removed from the church for his deception?
Fact: TRYING TO PROVE THE SHROUD is not proof of God, it would be trying to prove
"a person" was burried in it and trying to sound scientific in it's supernatural creation image burned into the Shroud would not prove it is God, since you're only trying to prove a technoogy was
used to teleport, which does not make that God any more then claiming the Nasca lines are proof of God.
That being said, Father Spitzer doesn't even prove the historical shroud connection to a historical figure and in fact does the opposite by trying to fallaciously date the Shroud back to first century against carbon dating.
FACT: their son of Mary character is Historically dated at 100bc a far cry from 1st century.
Their Galilean Figure also used in the myth is said to be in King Herod and Lysanias (died 35bc) era which is also not a first century character. Theudas by the Jordan is the AD era figure, however Jesus is described as being small stature much under 5'(measure of his height which is given as 15 palms and a half, is roughly 4 feet 6 inches) and the shroud is of a 6' large stature image.
Also historically problematic is the fact the only Shroud the church claimed to have saved was Yehuda's shroud.
IS IT A COINCIDENCE that the shroud seemingly comes to appear at the time of the great church foible with another phoney relic=
the catheri relic labeled "Caput LVIII" contained the skull of a woman and this was sworn to be the flesh and blood tomb of Jesus. At the time, this embarassment exposing church lies required reassurance of the existence of a Jesus PRONTO, AND in comes the Shroud magically appearing to try and re-validate the mythology as being real or talked about as if being historical. No it's not a coincidence, the Father of all lies will always remain the great deceiver because signing you up to their membership fee club is more important then the truth.
SO should he step down or be removed from the church for his deception?
Fact: TRYING TO PROVE THE SHROUD is not proof of God, it would be trying to prove
"a person" was burried in it and trying to sound scientific in it's supernatural creation image burned into the Shroud would not prove it is God, since you're only trying to prove a technoogy was
used to teleport, which does not make that God any more then claiming the Nasca lines are proof of God.
That being said, Father Spitzer doesn't even prove the historical shroud connection to a historical figure and in fact does the opposite by trying to fallaciously date the Shroud back to first century against carbon dating.
FACT: their son of Mary character is Historically dated at 100bc a far cry from 1st century.
Their Galilean Figure also used in the myth is said to be in King Herod and Lysanias (died 35bc) era which is also not a first century character. Theudas by the Jordan is the AD era figure, however Jesus is described as being small stature much under 5'(measure of his height which is given as 15 palms and a half, is roughly 4 feet 6 inches) and the shroud is of a 6' large stature image.
Also historically problematic is the fact the only Shroud the church claimed to have saved was Yehuda's shroud.
IS IT A COINCIDENCE that the shroud seemingly comes to appear at the time of the great church foible with another phoney relic=
the catheri relic labeled "Caput LVIII" contained the skull of a woman and this was sworn to be the flesh and blood tomb of Jesus. At the time, this embarassment exposing church lies required reassurance of the existence of a Jesus PRONTO, AND in comes the Shroud magically appearing to try and re-validate the mythology as being real or talked about as if being historical. No it's not a coincidence, the Father of all lies will always remain the great deceiver because signing you up to their membership fee club is more important then the truth.