Should Blacks Pay Reparations To Whites?

[S.J.]

The problem is that whites did not die to free them.

Wow, talk about denial. Thanks for that colossal display of stupidity.

Not denial. TRUTH.

Thanks again.

I guess whites like you have to learn the hard way that you believe a lie,

The Civil War and emancipation
1861 - 1865

To retain the loyalty of the remaining border states -- Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky, and Missouri -- President Lincoln insisted that the war was not about slavery or black rights; it was a war to preserve the Union. His words were not simply aimed at the loyal southern states, however -- most white northerners were not interested in fighting to free slaves or in giving rights to black people. For this reason, the government turned away African American volunteers who rushed to enlist. Lincoln upheld the laws barring blacks from the army, proving to northern whites that their race privilege would not be threatened.

The Civil War

Who benefitted by their deaths, dumb shit? But did the slaves appreciate it? No. They sold themselves back into slavery to the Democratic Party as soon as they were offered something for nothing, and remain there today.

 

[IM2]

The problem is that whites did not die to free them.

Wow, talk about denial. Thanks for that colossal display of stupidity.

Not denial. TRUTH.

Thanks again.

I guess whites like you have to learn the hard way that you believe a lie,

The Civil War and emancipation
1861 - 1865

To retain the loyalty of the remaining border states -- Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky, and Missouri -- President Lincoln insisted that the war was not about slavery or black rights; it was a war to preserve the Union. His words were not simply aimed at the loyal southern states, however -- most white northerners were not interested in fighting to free slaves or in giving rights to black people. For this reason, the government turned away African American volunteers who rushed to enlist. Lincoln upheld the laws barring blacks from the army, proving to northern whites that their race privilege would not be threatened.

The Civil War

Who benefitted by their deaths, dumb shit? But did the slaves appreciate it? No. They sold themselves back into slavery to the Democratic Party as soon as they were offered something for nothing, and remain there today.

Whites were not fighting for backs to be free. There was nothing to appreciate.

 

[S.J.]

Wow, talk about denial. Thanks for that colossal display of stupidity.

Not denial. TRUTH.

Thanks again.

I guess whites like you have to learn the hard way that you believe a lie,

The Civil War and emancipation
1861 - 1865

To retain the loyalty of the remaining border states -- Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky, and Missouri -- President Lincoln insisted that the war was not about slavery or black rights; it was a war to preserve the Union. His words were not simply aimed at the loyal southern states, however -- most white northerners were not interested in fighting to free slaves or in giving rights to black people. For this reason, the government turned away African American volunteers who rushed to enlist. Lincoln upheld the laws barring blacks from the army, proving to northern whites that their race privilege would not be threatened.

The Civil War

Who benefitted by their deaths, dumb shit? But did the slaves appreciate it? No. They sold themselves back into slavery to the Democratic Party as soon as they were offered something for nothing, and remain there today.

Whites were not fighting for backs to be free. There was nothing to appreciate.

Yep, you feel that way about everything, which is why every neighborhood you move into ends up looking like Skid Row.

 

[IM2]

Not denial. TRUTH.

Thanks again.

I guess whites like you have to learn the hard way that you believe a lie,

The Civil War and emancipation
1861 - 1865

To retain the loyalty of the remaining border states -- Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky, and Missouri -- President Lincoln insisted that the war was not about slavery or black rights; it was a war to preserve the Union. His words were not simply aimed at the loyal southern states, however -- most white northerners were not interested in fighting to free slaves or in giving rights to black people. For this reason, the government turned away African American volunteers who rushed to enlist. Lincoln upheld the laws barring blacks from the army, proving to northern whites that their race privilege would not be threatened.

The Civil War

Who benefitted by their deaths, dumb shit? But did the slaves appreciate it? No. They sold themselves back into slavery to the Democratic Party as soon as they were offered something for nothing, and remain there today.

Whites were not fighting for backs to be free. There was nothing to appreciate.

Yep, you feel that way about everything, which is why every neighborhood you move into ends up looking like Skid Row.

Just face the fact that you were shown that whites did not fight and die to free blacks in the civil war.

 

[S.J.]

Thanks again.

I guess whites like you have to learn the hard way that you believe a lie,

The Civil War and emancipation
1861 - 1865

To retain the loyalty of the remaining border states -- Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky, and Missouri -- President Lincoln insisted that the war was not about slavery or black rights; it was a war to preserve the Union. His words were not simply aimed at the loyal southern states, however -- most white northerners were not interested in fighting to free slaves or in giving rights to black people. For this reason, the government turned away African American volunteers who rushed to enlist. Lincoln upheld the laws barring blacks from the army, proving to northern whites that their race privilege would not be threatened.

The Civil War

Who benefitted by their deaths, dumb shit? But did the slaves appreciate it? No. They sold themselves back into slavery to the Democratic Party as soon as they were offered something for nothing, and remain there today.

Whites were not fighting for backs to be free. There was nothing to appreciate.

Yep, you feel that way about everything, which is why every neighborhood you move into ends up looking like Skid Row.

Just face the fact that you were shown that whites did not fight and die to free blacks in the civil war.

Face the fact that you were better off as slaves.

 

[IM2]

I guess whites like you have to learn the hard way that you believe a lie,

The Civil War and emancipation
1861 - 1865

The Civil War

Who benefitted by their deaths, dumb shit? But did the slaves appreciate it? No. They sold themselves back into slavery to the Democratic Party as soon as they were offered something for nothing, and remain there today.

Whites were not fighting for backs to be free. There was nothing to appreciate.

Yep, you feel that way about everything, which is why every neighborhood you move into ends up looking like Skid Row.

Just face the fact that you were shown that whites did not fight and die to free blacks in the civil war.

Face the fact that you were better off as slaves.

Face the fact that whites have got their reparations.. We can start with the homestead act if you would like to take a good long look at how whites got their reparations.

 

[S.J.]

Who benefitted by their deaths, dumb shit? But did the slaves appreciate it? No. They sold themselves back into slavery to the Democratic Party as soon as they were offered something for nothing, and remain there today.

Whites were not fighting for backs to be free. There was nothing to appreciate.

Yep, you feel that way about everything, which is why every neighborhood you move into ends up looking like Skid Row.

Just face the fact that you were shown that whites did not fight and die to free blacks in the civil war.

Face the fact that you were better off as slaves.

Face the fact that whites have got their reparations.. We can start with the homestead act if you would like to take a good long look at how whites got their reparations.

Face the fact that after 50 years of affirmative action, government grants, and welfare, you STILL can't stand on your own two feet without the white man propping you up.

 

[IM2]

Whites were not fighting for backs to be free. There was nothing to appreciate.

Yep, you feel that way about everything, which is why every neighborhood you move into ends up looking like Skid Row.

Just face the fact that you were shown that whites did not fight and die to free blacks in the civil war.

Face the fact that you were better off as slaves.

Face the fact that whites have got their reparations.. We can start with the homestead act if you would like to take a good long look at how whites got their reparations.

Face the fact that after 50 years of affirmative action, government grants, and welfare, you STILL can't stand on your own two feet without the white man propping you up.

Well again we are talking about whites getting reparations, Now since whites are the prime benefactor of all those things all this does is show you just how much whites have been paid.

 

[danielpalos]

lousy management.

So, hypothetically the southerns get a lump sum payment for their slaves. They spend it. What happens next?

a capital boom and plenty of labor to be hired?

Nope. Cotton was too labor intensive. You pay real wages and the margins would become to small to support the Plantation Class. Their world would end.


The labor would leave to be small farmers supporting themselves in better conditions.

Capital would have been in plentiful supply in the South after that "reimbursement".

The Industrial Revolution was beginning; and we really could have avoided the Civil War, and made more progress on our Industrial Revolution.

People who entire business experience and workforce and culture and infrastructure were set up to grow and export cotton are NOT going to suddenly and successfully transform into industrialists.


THey might TRY. The vast majority would fail.


The South would be impoverished and marginalized for generations.

Why should anyone take the right wing seriously about the law or economics.

The capital laws of demand and supply don't stop for right wing fantasy.

 

[Correll]

So, hypothetically the southerns get a lump sum payment for their slaves. They spend it. What happens next?

a capital boom and plenty of labor to be hired?

Nope. Cotton was too labor intensive. You pay real wages and the margins would become to small to support the Plantation Class. Their world would end.


The labor would leave to be small farmers supporting themselves in better conditions.

Capital would have been in plentiful supply in the South after that "reimbursement".

The Industrial Revolution was beginning; and we really could have avoided the Civil War, and made more progress on our Industrial Revolution.

People who entire business experience and workforce and culture and infrastructure were set up to grow and export cotton are NOT going to suddenly and successfully transform into industrialists.


THey might TRY. The vast majority would fail.


The South would be impoverished and marginalized for generations.

Why should anyone take the right wing seriously about the law or economics.

The capital laws of demand and supply don't stop for right wing fantasy.

I called you on your normal bullshit of posting incoherent garbage.

You finally made a real point.

I addressed it seriously, honestly and even respectfully.

ANd you run away from serious discussion back into incoherent garbage.



Barring an unlikely return to seriousness on your part, my rebuttal of your point on "eminent domain" stands as the Final Word.




People who entire business experience and workforce and culture and infrastructure were set up to grow and export cotton are NOT going to suddenly and successfully transform into industrialists.


THey might TRY. The vast majority would fail.


The South would be impoverished and marginalized for generations.

 

[katsteve2012]

The problem is that whites did not die to free them.

Wow, talk about denial. Thanks for that colossal display of stupidity.

Not denial. TRUTH.

Thanks again.

I guess whites like you have to learn the hard way that you believe a lie,

The Civil War and emancipation
1861 - 1865

To retain the loyalty of the remaining border states -- Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky, and Missouri -- President Lincoln insisted that the war was not about slavery or black rights; it was a war to preserve the Union. His words were not simply aimed at the loyal southern states, however -- most white northerners were not interested in fighting to free slaves or in giving rights to black people. For this reason, the government turned away African American volunteers who rushed to enlist. Lincoln upheld the laws barring blacks from the army, proving to northern whites that their race privilege would not be threatened.

The Civil War

Absolutely. As MLK once stated:

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."

 

[IM2]

4. And Reagan did not win in 80 because of race, he won because Carter was a terrible president, with a terrible record. The same southerns who voted for Carter in 76, suddenly did not become MORE RACIST 4 years later to vote against Carter and his Civil Rights support.

Katsteve thinks in terms of race. He sees it as the deciding factor in any election. If his candidate wins, it's a victory over racism. If he loses, it's because racism reared it's ugly head. The funny thing is that he defends the party who gave us Jim Crow laws and the KKK.

Don't you white racists ever tire of being disingenuous?

These things were bi partisan. And since you don't want to talk about 150 years ago, then don't talk about the democratic party of 150 years ago.

In the meantime, you started this thread and based it on terms of race.

 

[Correll]

4. And Reagan did not win in 80 because of race, he won because Carter was a terrible president, with a terrible record. The same southerns who voted for Carter in 76, suddenly did not become MORE RACIST 4 years later to vote against Carter and his Civil Rights support.

Katsteve thinks in terms of race. He sees it as the deciding factor in any election. If his candidate wins, it's a victory over racism. If he loses, it's because racism reared it's ugly head. The funny thing is that he defends the party who gave us Jim Crow laws and the KKK.

Don't you white racists ever tire of being disingenuous?

These things were bi partisan. And since you don't want to talk about 150 years ago, then don't talk about the democratic party of 150 years ago.

In the meantime, you started this thread and based it on terms of race.

The current portion of the thread is a that Katsteven claimed that the South went from the dems to the republican due to racism, post 1964 civil rights act.


I pointed out that Carter nearly swept the South in 1976,


He dismisses that as unimportant but then points to Reagan's win 4 YEARS LATER, as further evidence that the south of the 20th is just as racist as the south of the 19th.

For reasons that he has not made clear.

The Conventional Wisdom crafted by lefty academia and media is that the alleged "southern strategy" of Nixon, is what flipped the SOuth, from the early 60s to present day.

Thus, this discussion of the past, is completely relevant to today.

 

[IM2]

4. And Reagan did not win in 80 because of race, he won because Carter was a terrible president, with a terrible record. The same southerns who voted for Carter in 76, suddenly did not become MORE RACIST 4 years later to vote against Carter and his Civil Rights support.

Katsteve thinks in terms of race. He sees it as the deciding factor in any election. If his candidate wins, it's a victory over racism. If he loses, it's because racism reared it's ugly head. The funny thing is that he defends the party who gave us Jim Crow laws and the KKK.

Don't you white racists ever tire of being disingenuous?

These things were bi partisan. And since you don't want to talk about 150 years ago, then don't talk about the democratic party of 150 years ago.

In the meantime, you started this thread and based it on terms of race.

The current portion of the thread is a that Katsteven claimed that the South went from the dems to the republican due to racism, post 1964 civil rights act.


I pointed out that Carter nearly swept the South in 1976,


He dismisses that as unimportant but then points to Reagan's win 4 YEARS LATER, as further evidence that the south of the 20th is just as racist as the south of the 19th.

For reasons that he has not made clear.

The Conventional Wisdom crafted by lefty academia and media is that the alleged "southern strategy" of Nixon, is what flipped the SOuth, from the early 60s to present day.

Thus, this discussion of the past, is completely relevant to today.

I have no problem with what you have been pointing out. My point is that SJ is a pathetic lying white dude who refuses to see the disingenuous argument he wages in this thread. That includes the way he has avoided the truth in the matters you have presented to him.

 

[katsteve2012]

Who benefitted by their deaths, dumb shit? But did the slaves appreciate it? No. They sold themselves back into slavery to the Democratic Party as soon as they were offered something for nothing, and remain there today.

Whites were not fighting for backs to be free. There was nothing to appreciate.

Yep, you feel that way about everything, which is why every neighborhood you move into ends up looking like Skid Row.

Just face the fact that you were shown that whites did not fight and die to free blacks in

4. And Reagan did not win in 80 because of race, he won because Carter was a terrible president, with a terrible record. The same southerns who voted for Carter in 76, suddenly did not become MORE RACIST 4 years later to vote against Carter and his Civil Rights support.

Katsteve thinks in terms of race. He sees it as the deciding factor in any election. If his candidate wins, it's a victory over racism. If he loses, it's because racism reared it's ugly head. The funny thing is that he defends the party who gave us Jim Crow laws and the KKK.

Don't you white racists ever tire of being disingenuous?

These things were bi partisan. And since you don't want to talk about 150 years ago, then don't talk about the democratic party of 150 years ago.

In the meantime, you started this thread and based it on terms of race.

The current portion of the thread is a that Katsteven claimed that the South went from the dems to the republican due to racism, post 1964 civil rights act.


I pointed out that Carter nearly swept the South in 1976,


He dismisses that as unimportant but then points to Reagan's win 4 YEARS LATER, as further evidence that the south of the 20th is just as racist as the south of the 19th.

For reasons that he has not made clear.

The Conventional Wisdom crafted by lefty academia and media is that the alleged "southern strategy" of Nixon, is what flipped the SOuth, from the early 60s to present day.

Thus, this discussion of the past, is completely relevant to today.

Yet again. More of your conveniently selective interpretations of what I stated.

From the outset of this insipid thread, I stated that Northern Democratic and Republican lawmakers as is proven by historical fact were the primary supporters of the passing of the civil rights act, and the southern states have had a history of opposition to equality in civil rights. You tried to present Carters victory in 1976 as evidence of this not being the case.

There are a plethora of credible sources that attribute much of his victory in the south to him being from that region and having a rural farming past life. His support of civil rights equality helped him gain 92% of the black vote.

If you are a registered voter, you should know thst elections are cyclical and emotions play a role in their outcome. The inarticulate, boorish, rube who is currently in office is evidence of that fact.

 

[IM2]

The thing here is that the dixiecrats who were southern democrats did primarily switch to the republican party due to integration. There may be several reasons outside of the fact that one wants to claim that Carter swept the south as a bass that it was not so. Number 1 being that no one wanted more Nixon and saw Ford as an extension of Nixon. There was a reason why Regan began is campaign in the town where the 3 slain civil rights workers were found dead sneaking in favor of states rights. Yes there was a southern strategy. The leftist academia did not make this up, a republican political operative did. Reagan did appeal to racism and what Reagan started created what we see today in Trump.

Why Did The South Turn Republican?

There are a range of opinions on this matter so I added the link to a search about this.

why did the south turn fro democrat to republican - Yahoo Search Results

 

[katsteve2012]

The thing here is that the dixiecrats who were southern democrats did primarily switch to the republican party due to integration. There may be several reasons outside of the fact that one wants to claim that Carter swept the south as a bass that it was not so. Number 1 being that no one wanted more Nixon and saw Ford as an extension of Nixon. There was a reason why Regan began is campaign in the town where the 3 slain civil rights workers were found dead sneaking in favor of states rights. Yes there was a southern strategy. The leftist academia did not make this up, a republican political operative did. Reagan did appeal to racism and what Reagan started created what we see today in Trump.

Why Did The South Turn Republican?

There are a range of opinions on this matter so I added the link to a search about this.

why did the south turn fro democrat to republican - Yahoo Search Results

The Republican political operative that you mention was Lee Atwater. The following is the full audio interview with him regarding The Southern Strategy

Exclusive: Lee Atwater’s Infamous 1981 Interview on the Southern Strategy

 

[IM2]

The thing here is that the dixiecrats who were southern democrats did primarily switch to the republican party due to integration. There may be several reasons outside of the fact that one wants to claim that Carter swept the south as a bass that it was not so. Number 1 being that no one wanted more Nixon and saw Ford as an extension of Nixon. There was a reason why Regan began is campaign in the town where the 3 slain civil rights workers were found dead sneaking in favor of states rights. Yes there was a southern strategy. The leftist academia did not make this up, a republican political operative did. Reagan did appeal to racism and what Reagan started created what we see today in Trump.

Why Did The South Turn Republican?

There are a range of opinions on this matter so I added the link to a search about this.

why did the south turn fro democrat to republican - Yahoo Search Results

The Republican political operative that you mention was Lee Atwater. The following is the full audio interview with him regarding The Southern Strategy

Exclusive: Lee Atwater’s Infamous 1981 Interview on the Southern Strategy

Yes it was Lee Atwater and that interview is very telling. I've seen it before.

There s no debate as to what he did to turn the south republican really.

 

[danielpalos]

a capital boom and plenty of labor to be hired?

Nope. Cotton was too labor intensive. You pay real wages and the margins would become to small to support the Plantation Class. Their world would end.


The labor would leave to be small farmers supporting themselves in better conditions.

Capital would have been in plentiful supply in the South after that "reimbursement".

The Industrial Revolution was beginning; and we really could have avoided the Civil War, and made more progress on our Industrial Revolution.

People who entire business experience and workforce and culture and infrastructure were set up to grow and export cotton are NOT going to suddenly and successfully transform into industrialists.


THey might TRY. The vast majority would fail.


The South would be impoverished and marginalized for generations.

Why should anyone take the right wing seriously about the law or economics.

The capital laws of demand and supply don't stop for right wing fantasy.

I called you on your normal bullshit of posting incoherent garbage.

You finally made a real point.

I addressed it seriously, honestly and even respectfully.

ANd you run away from serious discussion back into incoherent garbage.



Barring an unlikely return to seriousness on your part, my rebuttal of your point on "eminent domain" stands as the Final Word.




People who entire business experience and workforce and culture and infrastructure were set up to grow and export cotton are NOT going to suddenly and successfully transform into industrialists.


THey might TRY. The vast majority would fail.


The South would be impoverished and marginalized for generations.

Why would the laws of demand and supply stop for right wing fantasy? there are no traffic controls under, laissez-fair.

With that influx in capital, the South would have been advancing their commercial interests. Some Southern railroads were quite progressive in this area, according to a video on YouTube.

 

[katsteve2012]

The thing here is that the dixiecrats who were southern democrats did primarily switch to the republican party due to integration. There may be several reasons outside of the fact that one wants to claim that Carter swept the south as a bass that it was not so. Number 1 being that no one wanted more Nixon and saw Ford as an extension of Nixon. There was a reason why Regan began is campaign in the town where the 3 slain civil rights workers were found dead sneaking in favor of states rights. Yes there was a southern strategy. The leftist academia did not make this up, a republican political operative did. Reagan did appeal to racism and what Reagan started created what we see today in Trump.

Why Did The South Turn Republican?

There are a range of opinions on this matter so I added the link to a search about this.

why did the south turn fro democrat to republican - Yahoo Search Results

The Republican political operative that you mention was Lee Atwater. The following is the full audio interview with him regarding The Southern Strategy

Exclusive: Lee Atwater’s Infamous 1981 Interview on the Southern Strategy

Yes it was Lee Atwater and that interview is very telling. I've seen it before.

There s no debate as to what he did to turn the south republican really.

It is difficult to believe how anyone can not acknowledge the evolution of party loyalties in the southern states as a result of this.

There are some out there like the "person" who started this thread who actually believe it to be a conspiracy theory, and that the Democratic and Republican parties are identical to what they both were over 100 years ago.