CDZ Should a POTUS be permitted to destroy records of conversations and discussion among officials?

[usmbguest5318]

Holy Paper Shredder, Batman!!! Trump apparently thinks he and his team shouldn't have to preserve anything.

Donald Trump Can Destroy Records Without Judicial Review, Justice Department Tells Court

 

[koshergrl]

"Analysts said Mr. Holder — the first sitting Cabinet official ever to face a contempt citation from Congress — will likely duck any legal punishment, though his department will soon be forced to begin turning over the documents he withheld, which sparked the initial fight. It’s just the latest in a series of stormy disputes that have defined his turbulent six-year tenure."

Contempt of Congress case against Holder will proceed

 

[airplanemechanic]

What about a secretary of state who used an unauthorized server?

How much evidence could she have destroyed before you objected?

Apparently 30,000+ emails results in nothing more than crickets.

 

[Picaro]

What about a secretary of state who used an unauthorized server?

How much evidence could she have destroyed before you objected?

Apparently 30,000+ emails results in nothing more than crickets.

That's why this pseudo-intellectual bed wetter likes to post in the CDZ, so his troll threads can't be ridiculed into the rubber room where they belong. He can't pluck enough bullshit from media matters to combat reality or logic fast enough.

^^^ This.

Going by the thread title, I thought it was about the Obama administration, but yes, Democrats do indeed practice shredding extensively , including destroying hard drives, hassling phone companies to destroy records, etc., so it's just bizarre they would complain about Trump's perfectly legal security practices; unlike the Obama and Clinton criminal syndicates, he isn't facing any RICO indictments.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Attention:

This thread is not about other government official's. It's about a POTUS's activities with regard to records retention. Zone 2/CDZ rules require you to post on-topic comments, so please do so.​

 

[JoeMoma]

What is a record. If the president writes something on a post-it-note, does it automatically become a record that is illegal to destroy?

 

[koshergrl]

Attention:

This thread is not about other government official's. It's about a POTUS's activities with regard to records retention. Zone 2/CDZ rules require you to post on-topic comments, so please do so.​

The previous admin set the precedent.

 

[koshergrl]

Attention:

This thread is not about other government official's. It's about a POTUS's activities with regard to records retention. Zone 2/CDZ rules require you to post on-topic comments, so please do so.​

The previous admin set the precedent. So when you ask if it's okay for the POTUS to do this, you are going to have to deal with the fact that yup, it sure is, thanks to the previous admin.

 

[koshergrl]

Attention:

This thread is not about other government official's. It's about a POTUS's activities with regard to records retention. Zone 2/CDZ rules require you to post on-topic comments, so please do so.​

The previous admin set the precedent. So when you ask if it's okay for the POTUS to do this, you are going to have to deal with the fact that yup, it sure is, thanks to the previous admin.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The Bush admin successfully defended the privacy of such communications.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Holy Paper Shredder, Batman!!! Trump apparently thinks he and his team shouldn't have to preserve anything.

Donald Trump Can Destroy Records Without Judicial Review, Justice Department Tells Court

A conversation is only of interest to Historians. It is not policy nor is it law.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Holy Paper Shredder, Batman!!! Trump apparently thinks he and his team shouldn't have to preserve anything.

Donald Trump Can Destroy Records Without Judicial Review, Justice Department Tells Court

A conversation is only of interest to Historians. It is not policy nor is it law.

Well, of course, a conversation is not policy or law. It's the retention of the content of the conversation that is required by law.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Holy Paper Shredder, Batman!!! Trump apparently thinks he and his team shouldn't have to preserve anything.

Donald Trump Can Destroy Records Without Judicial Review, Justice Department Tells Court

A conversation is only of interest to Historians. It is not policy nor is it law.

Well, of course, a conversation is not policy or law. It's the retention of the content of the conversation that is required by law.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Holy Paper Shredder, Batman!!! Trump apparently thinks he and his team shouldn't have to preserve anything.

Donald Trump Can Destroy Records Without Judicial Review, Justice Department Tells Court

A conversation is only of interest to Historians. It is not policy nor is it law.

Well, of course, a conversation is not policy or law. It's the retention of the content of the conversation that is required by law.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Holy Paper Shredder, Batman!!! Trump apparently thinks he and his team shouldn't have to preserve anything.

Donald Trump Can Destroy Records Without Judicial Review, Justice Department Tells Court

A conversation is only of interest to Historians. It is not policy nor is it law.

Well, of course, a conversation is not policy or law. It's the retention of the content of the conversation that is required by law.

I know of no law that requires a President to record every word he says or is spoken to him.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Holy Paper Shredder, Batman!!! Trump apparently thinks he and his team shouldn't have to preserve anything.

Donald Trump Can Destroy Records Without Judicial Review, Justice Department Tells Court

A conversation is only of interest to Historians. It is not policy nor is it law.

Well, of course, a conversation is not policy or law. It's the retention of the content of the conversation that is required by law.

I know of no law that requires a President to record every word he says or is spoken to him.

• Presidential Records (44 U.S.C. Chapter 22)
  
• Public Law 113-187 The Presidential and Federal Records Act Amendments of 2014
  
• The Presidential Records Act: Background and Recent Issues for Congress
  
• Retaining Presidential Records Under the Law - CREW
  
• The Constitution and Executive Privilege - Online Library of Law & Liberty
  
• Cover Story: Transparency in Government?

 

[usmbguest5318]

Holy Paper Shredder, Batman!!! Trump apparently thinks he and his team shouldn't have to preserve anything.

Donald Trump Can Destroy Records Without Judicial Review, Justice Department Tells Court

A conversation is only of interest to Historians. It is not policy nor is it law.

Well, of course, a conversation is not policy or law. It's the retention of the content of the conversation that is required by law.

I know of no law that requires a President to record every word he says or is spoken to him.

• Presidential Records (44 U.S.C. Chapter 22)
  
• Public Law 113-187 The Presidential and Federal Records Act Amendments of 2014
  
• The Presidential Records Act: Background and Recent Issues for Congress
  
• Retaining Presidential Records Under the Law - CREW
  
• The Constitution and Executive Privilege - Online Library of Law & Liberty
  
• Cover Story: Transparency in Government?

 

[Picaro]

Presidents can do whatever they want; Obama set the precedents. Nobody can snivel about anything Trump does, or Secretaries of State either, especially Democrats.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Holy Paper Shredder, Batman!!! Trump apparently thinks he and his team shouldn't have to preserve anything.

Donald Trump Can Destroy Records Without Judicial Review, Justice Department Tells Court

A conversation is only of interest to Historians. It is not policy nor is it law.

Well, of course, a conversation is not policy or law. It's the retention of the content of the conversation that is required by law.

I know of no law that requires a President to record every word he says or is spoken to him.

• Presidential Records (44 U.S.C. Chapter 22)
  
• Public Law 113-187 The Presidential and Federal Records Act Amendments of 2014
  
• The Presidential Records Act: Background and Recent Issues for Congress
  
• Retaining Presidential Records Under the Law - CREW
  
• The Constitution and Executive Privilege - Online Library of Law & Liberty
  
• Cover Story: Transparency in Government?

Records. No mention of every time a President says I need to take a wiz that it be recorded, nor every time a President asks his military leaders what do you think of nuking Mecca that it be recorded.

Read your own links.

(1) The term "documentary material" means all books, correspondence, memoranda, documents, papers, pamphlets, works of art, models, pictures, photographs, plats, maps, films, and motion pictures, including, but not limited to, audio and visual records, or other electronic or mechanical recordations, whether in analog, digital, or any other form.

(2) The term "Presidential records" means documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, the President’s immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise or assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term--

 

[Weatherman2020]

 

[usmbguest5318]

Holy Paper Shredder, Batman!!! Trump apparently thinks he and his team shouldn't have to preserve anything.

Donald Trump Can Destroy Records Without Judicial Review, Justice Department Tells Court

A conversation is only of interest to Historians. It is not policy nor is it law.

Well, of course, a conversation is not policy or law. It's the retention of the content of the conversation that is required by law.

I know of no law that requires a President to record every word he says or is spoken to him.

• Presidential Records (44 U.S.C. Chapter 22)
  
• Public Law 113-187 The Presidential and Federal Records Act Amendments of 2014
  
• The Presidential Records Act: Background and Recent Issues for Congress
  
• Retaining Presidential Records Under the Law - CREW
  
• The Constitution and Executive Privilege - Online Library of Law & Liberty
  
• Cover Story: Transparency in Government?

Records. No mention of every time a President says I need to take a wiz that it be recorded, nor every time a President asks his military leaders what do you think of nuking Mecca that it be recorded.

Read your own links.

(1) The term "documentary material" means all books, correspondence, memoranda, documents, papers, pamphlets, works of art, models, pictures, photographs, plats, maps, films, and motion pictures, including, but not limited to, audio and visual records, or other electronic or mechanical recordations, whether in analog, digital, or any other form.

(2) The term "Presidential records" means documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, the President’s immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise or assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term--

No mention of every time a President says I need to take a wiz that it be recorded

Reductio ad absurdum

Read your own links.

(1) The term "documentary material" means all books, correspondence, memoranda, documents, papers, pamphlets, works of art, models, pictures, photographs, plats, maps, films, and motion pictures, including, but not limited to, audio and visual records, or other electronic or mechanical recordations, whether in analog, digital, or any other form.

(2) The term "Presidential records" means documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, the President’s immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise or assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term--

Just what do you think meeting minutes, tweets, emails, and so on are other than "documentary material" of what a POTUS says/does? Read the rubric article and you'll discover what sorts of "documentary material" the current POTUS has been discarding/destroying. All of it needs to be retained to the extent that it pertains to his activities, expressions and deliberations in performing his duties as POTUS.