8 Cases Where Mishandling of Classified Information Went Unpunished

[Billiejeens]

Smarmy makes you look stupid.

So I didn't lie?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

So I didn't lie?

You smarmily lied? It's your signature.

 

[alang1216]

The box count was about 150.
Each box can hold over 100 docs easily.
That is a total of 15,000 docs.
So they found 71 that were classified.
What are the odds that Trump even knew there were any classified docs in the mix?

You mean except for the ones he talks about on the recordings?

And unlike Nixon, Trump did not plan a break in to illegally commit a crime.

No, he planned a cover up.

Trump did nothing remotely wrong and harmed no one.

You don't know that. Some of those classified documents may have been taken or copied and ended up who knows where.

Those 71 classified docs were safer at Mar-a-Lago than at the White House, where unpaid interns conduct hourly public tours.

Total fantasy.

 

[alang1216]

alang1216 , no reply to post #7? I wonder why

Here was the reply, it was in the next post, #8.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Here was the reply, it was in the next post, #8.

Apologises, missed amongst the alerts I get. The two "fake news" tags sums up your answer. I have to agree with them.

 

[alang1216]

Apologises, missed amongst the alerts I get. The two "fake news" tags sums up your answer. I have to agree with them.

You don't agree with the indictment or with me? Certainly the indictment is a fact and can't be easily dismissed.

 

[Rigby5]

You mean except for the ones he talks about on the recordings?


No, he planned a cover up.


You don't know that. Some of those classified documents may have been taken or copied and ended up who knows where.


Total fantasy.

Obviously the ones he talks about on the recordings are NOT in the boxes as Mar-a-Lago.
Nor do we know if those even were classified.
Nor does it matter if they were, since ex-presidents never lose their authority over the classified docs their administration created.

There is no evidence Trump "planned a cover up" because it is perfectly legal for him to have copies of classified docs, as long as NARA and PRA got their copies as well.
All NARA and PRA are for is to ensure FOIA gets access, NOT to deny the ex-president access.

 

[Rigby5]

You don't agree with the indictment or with me? Certainly the indictment is a fact and can't be easily dismissed.

I disagree.
I believe the indictment is totally absurd and illegal.

 

[progressive hunter]

1. Tump is the favorite to take the GOP and then favored to lose by 7-9% to Biden.

2. Every other President gave back documents when asked. They did not lie, obstruct, or move them around.

can you name one other president that was asked??

 

[Captain Caveman]

You don't agree with the indictment or with me? Certainly the indictment is a fact and can't be easily dismissed.

If you're a lefty, I will disagree with you because I'm not into communist policies.

With Trump (bear in mind I'm British in the UK), I just observe America has charged Trump where many politicians have committed the same offence. I believe you need to find a difference, so obviously Trump was wearing the wrong coloured underpants to the others.

With this blatant one sided politics going on in America, I'm surprised a civil wat hasn't kicked off with the Right shooting the Lefties off the face of the earth because America is so fucked up right now ( unless you're a communist American Lefty).

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Trump was charged, caveman, because he committed criminal acts, so many of them. So beautiful. So perfect.

Love England, almost all of it.

 

[Care4all]

So the crime on the books, per the law, is not having classified information, but keeping them when asked. Hiding tapes in drawers is not classed as hiding

Any chance of linking your bizarre post to a specific part of the law?

Clinton and his personal biographer/historian met often in the oval office and taped their own conversations for his book.

this was personal business NOT government business and no government business or transactions occurred between Clinton and his biographer....

when meeting with Clinton and taping their conversations for the Book, Clinton could have had phone calls that he took that judicial watch wanted, but that was not an official taping for official govt use, it was similar to a DIARY, which was accepted by the judge as Clinton's personal tapes and none of Judicial Watch's beeswax.

 

[BluesLegend]

Clinton and his personal biographer/historian met often in the oval office and taped their own conversations for his book.

Clinton preyed on an intern in the workplace, cheated on his wife, lied to the American people and disgraced the office.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

But "presidential records" are things that record or reflect things done BY a president, and do NOT at all include the copies of classified docs sent TO a president for weekly cabinet briefings.
And NARA and PRA are satisfied with copies, not necessary originals, nor do they preclude presidents retaining their own personal copies for memoirs, etc.
Presidential libraries are part of the National Archives, but that does not mean they own the contents.

"The Presidential Records Act of 1978 established that all presidential records are owned by the public and automatically transfer into the custody of the National Archives".

The ex-president retains full ownership rights, and dictates everything about the library, such as where it will be even.

No, they don't.

 

[alang1216]

If you're a lefty, I will disagree with you because I'm not into communist policies.

I lean left but I'm into capitalism, socialism, and communism. There is some of each in the US and the UK. Labels are scary and simplistic and generally wrong.

With Trump (bear in mind I'm British in the UK), I just observe America has charged Trump where many politicians have committed the same offence. I believe you need to find a difference, so obviously Trump was wearing the wrong coloured underpants to the others.

Being in the UK I can understand clarity on US politics may be hard to find but I assure you, no other politicians here have committed the same offense as trump.

With this blatant one sided politics going on in America, I'm surprised a civil wat hasn't kicked off with the Right shooting the Lefties off the face of the earth because America is so fucked up right now ( unless you're a communist American Lefty).

I think we disagree on which side is to blame for the sorry state of the US.

 

[Coyote]

"Mishandled". Holy crap.

These folks just refuse to read the indictment. Or, they have, and they're lying. Or, they have, and they think it's fake news.

That's okay. Jack Smith has the goods, provided by Trump's own people.

That is why it is called a cult.

1. A charismatic …leader, who has no meaningful accountability …

And…

Persecution complex
Us against them mentality. Therefore, when someone (inside or outside of the group) corrects the group in doctrine and/or behavior, it is interpreted as persecution, which then is interpreted as validation.

Cognitive Dissonance

• Avoidance of critical thinking and/or maintaining logically impossible beliefs and/or beliefs that are inconsistent with other beliefs held by the group.
• Avoidance of and/or denial of any facts that might contradict the group’s belief system.

Also worth noting…

This view can harden even further to, “Outsiders are evil, we are right!” Everything is seen in black and white. No successful cult ever proclaimed, “Maybe we're wrong!”

Once outsiders are declared to be evil, it is a simple step to legitimise rationally whatever needs to be done to destroy or 'save' them.

They throw up examples of how their leader is being uniquely persecuted by ignoring the facts. This OP is a case in point. It is kind of like saying the actions of a guy who who accidently bumped someone in a crowd is the same as the who deliberately shoved someone into the train.

And they really see it that way.

 

[Coyote]

But "presidential records" are things that record or reflect things done BY a president, and do NOT at all include the copies of classified docs sent TO a president for weekly cabinet briefings.

They absolutely do…and no ex-president is allowed to retain classified material. Copies are just as classified as originals.

And NARA and PRA are satisfied with copies, not necessary originals, nor do they preclude presidents retaining their own personal copies for memoirs, etc.
Presidential libraries are part of the National Archives, but that does not mean they own the contents.
The ex-president retains full ownership rights, and dictates everything about the library, such as where it will be even.

None of this applies to classified material.

 

[Coyote]

Wrong.
You seem to forget that Hillary, Joe Biden, and Mike Pence were not presidents when they illegally stole classified documents and hid them for years.
They had no security clearance and were not even supposed to have any classified docs at all.
Their crimes are about a gazillion times worse than Trump, who was legally authorized to have all the classified docs he wanted.

They had security clearance.

 

[Mac1958]

That is why it is called a cult.

1. A charismatic …leader, who has no meaningful accountability …

And…

Persecution complex
Us against them mentality. Therefore, when someone (inside or outside of the group) corrects the group in doctrine and/or behavior, it is interpreted as persecution, which then is interpreted as validation.

Cognitive Dissonance

• Avoidance of critical thinking and/or maintaining logically impossible beliefs and/or beliefs that are inconsistent with other beliefs held by the group.
• Avoidance of and/or denial of any facts that might contradict the group’s belief system.

Also worth noting…

This view can harden even further to, “Outsiders are evil, we are right!” Everything is seen in black and white. No successful cult ever proclaimed, “Maybe we're wrong!”

Once outsiders are declared to be evil, it is a simple step to legitimise rationally whatever needs to be done to destroy or 'save' them.

They throw up examples of how their leader is being uniquely persecuted by ignoring the facts. This OP is a case in point. It is kind of like saying the actions of a guy who who accidently bumped someone in a crowd is the same as the who deliberately shoved someone into the train.

And they really see it that way.

I went a LONG time - about 3 years into this -- before calling this a cult, but you outline it perfectly.

This is a truly, literally, historic period. And I still, after all this time, have difficulty believing/understanding that it has happened HERE.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

"Mishandled". Holy crap.

These folks just refuse to read the indictment. Or, they have, and they're lying. Or, they have, and they think it's fake news.

That's okay. Jack Smith has the goods, provided by Trump's own people.

The indictment isn't fake news.
Nor is it a factual document.

It is an accusation that the government MUST PROVE TO BE TRUE in order for it to mean what YOU THINK it means.

From my point of view it is a political noose ment to not only stop Trump but to send a message to future "Trumps"

Do I believe Trump mishandled classified information? Yup he did. JUST LIKE EVERYONE BEFORE AND AFTER HIM.

Would you punish one of your children for using vulgarity while allowing the others to get away with it?
We are in dangerous territory with this gotcha game.