Shootings in Britain

[2aguy]

Which British gun control law kept this shooter from walking into a school, a church (if they still have them in Britain...sure a mosque, but a "Church?") a mall, or a theater?

And shooting in the middle of the day, in gun free Britain?

A man in his early 20s has died of gunshot injuries after a shooting in broad daylight near a children’s playground in north London. Metropolitan Police were called at 3.20pm to Roman Way in Islington, north London, following reports of shots fired on Saturday. Officers tried to save the man, but he was pronounced dead at the scene. His next of kin has been informed. A local has claimed he heard multiple gunshots before seeing someone on a moped speeding away from the area.


Read more: Man shot dead next to children's playground in broad daylight

Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: Metro

Man shot dead next to children's playground in broad daylight

A witness has claimed he saw a moped driver speeding away from the scene.

metro.co.uk

 

[Tommy Tainant]

There was a stabbing in London a few days ago. Why havent you picked up on this ?

 

[TheParser]

1. British cops, I understand, have traditionally NOT carried firearms.

a. Supposedly, there has long been a gentlemen's agreement that British crooks do not shoot their "bobbies."

2. As some other contributors to this thread have pointed out, however, gun violence is increasing because of immigration, which brings in many people who do not share traditional British cultural values.

3. I have read that many people in London are leaving that city for the north of England because of the increased level of crime.

Sad.

 

[2aguy]

There was a stabbing in London a few days ago. Why havent you picked up on this ?

Knives are not my issue.......the Right to self defense is my issue, and guns are the most effective tool for law abiding people to protect themselves from common criminals and the terrorist wings of political parties......

 

[Vagabond63]

1. British cops, I understand, have traditionally NOT carried firearms.

a. Supposedly, there has long been a gentlemen's agreement that British crooks do not shoot their "bobbies."

2. As some other contributors to this thread have pointed out, however, gun violence is increasing because of immigration, which brings in many people who do not share traditional British cultural values.

3. I have read that many people in London are leaving that city for the north of England because of the increased level of crime.

Sad.

1. Not true, Police over here have always had access to firearms, they just were not routinely issued with them on a daily basis.
2. Really? Gun violence in the UK is restricted to drugs gangs, some of whom might be immigrants, true, but they are mainly native born.
3. Either that, or the fact they can buy property far more cheaply than in London; you can buy a 3 bedroom house in the provinces for the price of a 1 bedroom flat in the city.

 

[Vagabond63]

you don't know what you are talking about.....

The Criminology of Firearms

Oh look, Don Kates, another NRA schill, who’s so called “research” was thoroughly debunked years ago; a lawyer retained by the NRA to promote their agenda who cherry picked data to pursue the NRA’s agenda. You must be getting desperate.

Americans use their legal guns 1.2 million times a year to save lives…

No they don’t, just more of your regurgitated BS. You must be getting desperate.

Nothing you state is true or accurate..

Now you are projecting. You must be getting desperate.

The Warsaw Ghetto......you point to the Warsaw Ghetto where Polish Jews....without guns, were killed.....they had a few and stood against the Germans......

An essentially unarmed population......they had their guns confiscated......you don't know what you are talking about...

You really need to read the whole article and not just cherry pick information…wait, what, wow, you are channelling Don Kates, figures.

One Country was ready......and had 435,000 civilians armed with rifles to resist......

ROFL! Now you invoke the Swiss? Guess what? Swiss militia soldiers are allowed to keep their assault rifles in their homes, but they are not allowed to have any ammunition for them; that’s kept in local arsenals and in any event they are not allowed to use their military firearms for self defence. Many militia soldiers store their guns disassembled in different parts of their homes. When civilian Swiss shooters go to their firing ranges, they can only buy ammunition on site, and any unused rounds must be returned to the range officials before they leave the range. The Swiss are generally contemptuous of American gun culture and especially the American NRA (much the same as our own NRA in the UK, who hold similar views on the American NRA).

Hey, there’s the solution to your 2nd amendment problem…ammunition control! There solved it for you, you can relax and play with your guns in your bedrooms in peace.

 

[wamose]

Must have been a mass shooting, we are getting more of his NRA spooge.

I just wanted to see how quickly someone would equate this GB shooting to Trump. Congratulations you win and it only took 5 posts. And as a bonus you also equate the pandemic, the recession and the riots to Trump. Great job. It kind of reminds me of how losers always blame something else for their own failures. As for the shooting in GB, I'll barrow a line Pelosi used when asked what she thought about tearing down the Columbus statue in Baltimore. She said "people will do what they do'. Now there's a stupid thing for a legislator to say. So if her job doesn't include providing Americans with safety and security, what exactly is her job beside resisting?

 

[Cellblock2429]

So....gun crime in Britain is getting worse....with shooters opening fire, hitting children and their mothers and shooting up parties....but...they have gun control....right?

A man and two women have sustained gunshot wounds after attackers opened fire on people attending a party in Harlow, Essex.

Essex police said the man, who is in his 50s and from nearby Grays, was taken to hospital with life-threatening injuries early on Saturday.

Two women in their 20s were taken to hospital with single gunshot wounds, which are not considered to be life-threatening.

Three people shot at party in Essex, say police

Man suffered life-threatening injuries and two women also shot in early hours of Saturday

www.theguardian.com

Why don't you start doing a thread on every gun shot incident in this country, 2AGuy. This is your country after all. Why do you think we care if there was a shooting in England? Or France?
Let's start hearing about every one of them in this country.
What? Impossible? That's because there are tens of thousands of them a year. You couldn't type fast enough.
And it's because every Tom, Dick and Harriett has a gun for no good reason.

/——/ As usual, the point went over your head. You Gun grabbers claim gun control will eliminate shootings. This is just more proof you’re dead wrong.

 

[Cellblock2429]

you don't know what you are talking about.....

The Criminology of Firearms

Oh look, Don Kates, another NRA schill, who’s so called “research” was thoroughly debunked years ago; a lawyer retained by the NRA to promote their agenda who cherry picked data to pursue the NRA’s agenda. You must be getting desperate.

Americans use their legal guns 1.2 million times a year to save lives…

No they don’t, just more of your regurgitated BS. You must be getting desperate.

Nothing you state is true or accurate..

Now you are projecting. You must be getting desperate.

The Warsaw Ghetto......you point to the Warsaw Ghetto where Polish Jews....without guns, were killed.....they had a few and stood against the Germans......

An essentially unarmed population......they had their guns confiscated......you don't know what you are talking about...

You really need to read the whole article and not just cherry pick information…wait, what, wow, you are channelling Don Kates, figures.

One Country was ready......and had 435,000 civilians armed with rifles to resist......

ROFL! Now you invoke the Swiss? Guess what? Swiss militia soldiers are allowed to keep their assault rifles in their homes, but they are not allowed to have any ammunition for them; that’s kept in local arsenals and in any event they are not allowed to use their military firearms for self defence. Many militia soldiers store their guns disassembled in different parts of their homes. When civilian Swiss shooters go to their firing ranges, they can only buy ammunition on site, and any unused rounds must be returned to the range officials before they leave the range. The Swiss are generally contemptuous of American gun culture and especially the American NRA (much the same as our own NRA in the UK, who hold similar views on the American NRA).

Hey, there’s the solution to your 2nd amendment problem…ammunition control! There solved it for you, you can relax and play with your guns in your bedrooms in peace.

/—-/ OK, I’ll take your option because we can always get ammo, one way or the other. BTW, here are the facts about the Swiss gun laws in their entirety, not your edited rant: Firearms regulation in Switzerland - Wikipedia

 

[2aguy]

you don't know what you are talking about.....

The Criminology of Firearms

Oh look, Don Kates, another NRA schill, who’s so called “research” was thoroughly debunked years ago; a lawyer retained by the NRA to promote their agenda who cherry picked data to pursue the NRA’s agenda. You must be getting desperate.

Americans use their legal guns 1.2 million times a year to save lives…

No they don’t, just more of your regurgitated BS. You must be getting desperate.

Nothing you state is true or accurate..

Now you are projecting. You must be getting desperate.

The Warsaw Ghetto......you point to the Warsaw Ghetto where Polish Jews....without guns, were killed.....they had a few and stood against the Germans......

An essentially unarmed population......they had their guns confiscated......you don't know what you are talking about...

You really need to read the whole article and not just cherry pick information…wait, what, wow, you are channelling Don Kates, figures.

One Country was ready......and had 435,000 civilians armed with rifles to resist......

ROFL! Now you invoke the Swiss? Guess what? Swiss militia soldiers are allowed to keep their assault rifles in their homes, but they are not allowed to have any ammunition for them; that’s kept in local arsenals and in any event they are not allowed to use their military firearms for self defence. Many militia soldiers store their guns disassembled in different parts of their homes. When civilian Swiss shooters go to their firing ranges, they can only buy ammunition on site, and any unused rounds must be returned to the range officials before they leave the range. The Swiss are generally contemptuous of American gun culture and especially the American NRA (much the same as our own NRA in the UK, who hold similar views on the American NRA).

Hey, there’s the solution to your 2nd amendment problem…ammunition control! There solved it for you, you can relax and play with your guns in your bedrooms in peace.

You still don't know what you are talking about.

The 1.2 million defensive uses was discovered by the Centers for Disease Control when they tried to debunk Dr. Gary Kleck's number. The Department of Justice also did the same research, independently, hiring 2 anti-gun researchers....and they found the 1.5 million times a year.....you twit.

The Warsaw Ghetto held off the Germans and they had very few guns.....had the countries in Europe been as well armed as U.S. citizens, the socialists could never have held the territory they took, and it would have made World War 2 impossible.

And, moron, the Swiss can't keep military supplied ammunition in their homes, but that doesn't keep them from getting their own ammunition...you twit....and again

More guns in Swiss hands does not equal more crime or mass public shootings......with fully automatic military weapons..

The Swiss Difference: A Gun Culture That Works | TIME.com

The authorities made one concession, though: since 2008, all military — but not private — ammunition must be stored in central arsenals rather than in soldiers’ homes. The debate culminated in a nationwide referendum last year, when 56% of voters rejected the proposal initiated by anti-gun organizations to ban army rifles from homes altogether.


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One of the reasons the crime rate in Switzerland is low despite the prevalence of weapons — and also why the Swiss mentality can’t be transposed to the current American reality — is the culture of responsibility and safety that is anchored in society and passed from generation to generation.

Kids as young as 12 belong to gun groups in their local communities, where they learn sharpshooting.

The Swiss Shooting Sports Association runs about 3,000 clubs and has 150,000 members, including a youth section.

Many members keep their guns and ammunition at home, while others choose to leave them at the club. And yet, despite such easy access to pistols and rifles, “no members have ever used their guns for criminal purposes,” says Max Flueckiger, the association’s spokesperson.

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The Swiss have remained one of the best armed countries in the world since then. Many claim they escaped most of the ravages of WWII because of their citizen army.
Switzerland is said not to “have an army” but “be an army.” Because of their universal training and weaponry, Switzerland has the largest potential army in Europe: 1.5 million men capable of bearing arms, who have the arms and ammunition and training.
After the current spate of terrorist attacks in Europe, the Swiss are buying even more guns.From usatoday.com:

GENEVA — Business at Daniel Wyss’ gun shop has been brisk lately in the village of Burgdorf near Switzerland’s capital of Bern.
He said the increased demand for firearms is triggered by a growing fear among the Swiss public that terrorists could attack their tranquil land at any time.
As nations around Europe tighten their gun laws after a series of terror attacks in several countries since 2015, the Swiss are bucking this trend by turning to firearms for protection.
Official statistics show that gun sales in some parts of Switzerland soared nearly 50% after last year’s attacks in Paris and the March bombings in Brussels. And gun sales continue to grow since the killings in France and Germany in the past two weeks.
In Wyss’ shop, “the demand for pistols, revolvers and pump-action guns rose by 30% to 50% after this month’s attacks in Nice and Munich,” he told USA TODAY.

 

[Vagabond63]

OK, I’ll take your option because we can always get ammo, one way or the other.

Good luck with that.

BTW, here are the facts about the Swiss gun laws in their entirety, not your edited rant: Firearms regulation in Switzerland - Wikipedia

Thank you for making my point. Switzerland has arguably the most rigorous gun control regime anywhere, which means only responsible, well trained citizens can have firearms; in direct contrast with America's pathetic hit and miss regime which means that just about anyone can get a gun easily, from "fine upstanding citizens" all the way over to "criminal low life". Gun control works.

 

[2aguy]

OK, I’ll take your option because we can always get ammo, one way or the other.

Good luck with that.

BTW, here are the facts about the Swiss gun laws in their entirety, not your edited rant: Firearms regulation in Switzerland - Wikipedia

Thank you for making my point. Switzerland has arguably the most rigorous gun control regime anywhere, which means only responsible, well trained citizens can have firearms; in direct contrast with America's pathetic hit and miss regime which means that just about anyone can get a gun easily, from "fine upstanding citizens" all the way over to "criminal low life". Gun control works.

Moron......they have fully automatic military weapons in their homes.......they can have as much private ammo as they want........which Swiss gun control law stops them from taking the fully automatic military weapon....which they already have in their possession, and all the private ammo they can carry...to the nearest school, church, mall or theater?


You are an idiot.......

Again....as more Americans own and actually carry guns...our gun murder rate went down 49%....our gun crime rate went down 75%...

How do you explain that? You hide from answering that question because your theory is wrong....and doesn't explain anything.......it falls apart with the most basic questions..............

Gun crime in the United States is also focused almost exclusively to gangs in democrat party controlled cities, because of their policies on criminals and police.......our gun crime has nothing to do with normal people who own and carry guns..

YOu are wrong.....and don't have any idea what you are talking about.

I also notice you ignore the point that the Swiss can have all the private ammo they want...thus wrecking your entire point about the Swiss having fully automatic military rifles in their homes......you twit.

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.



The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.

Maine tops ‘safest states’ rankings four years after removing major gun restriction

When Maine passed a “Constitutional Carry” law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.



One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.

Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.


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Now four years later, Maine has been named the safest state in the nation according to US News and World Report’s public safety rankings, which measures the fifty states based on crime data.



Ranking as the top safest state for violent crime and fourth for property crime, Maine edges out another New England state, Vermont, for the top spot. Of note, Vermont also is a “Constitutional Carry” state. New Hampshire ranks third in the national rankings, giving New England all three of the top spots in the nation.

In 2018, Maine was edged out by Vermont in the same “safest states” ranking, but declared the best state overall in the broader “Crime and Corrections” category.

In 2017, using a different methodology, Maine was ranked second among the fifty states in the “Crime and Corrections” category and also second in the categories used to rank the “safest states.”

The U.S. News and World Report “Best States” rankings are built in partnership with McKinsey & Company, a firm that works closely with state leaders around the nation.

Maine has also ranked at the top of other state rankings. WalletHub.com recently ranked Maine second in “Personal and Residential Safety” among the fifty states, and third overall.
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Bolsonaro's Brazil, More Legal Guns, Homicide Rates Down Precipitously

In December, 2018, in an article published by the Wall Street Journal, this pronouncement was made. From the wsj.com:

Now, Brazil is set to embark on an experiment that will determine what happens when you loosen gun restrictions in a country battling an overpowering wave of gun crime.

Homicides in Brazil were at historic highs in 2017. They dropped a bit in 2018, as candidate Bolsonaro ran on reform of the gun laws to allow self defense, and reform of the law to get tough on crime. The homicide numbers dropped from 59,000 in 2017, to 51,000 in 2018. President Bolsonaro was elected in October of 2018.

After taking office on 1 January, 2019, President Bolsonaro issued his first decree reforming some of Brazil's extreme gun laws on 15 January, 2019. The drop in Brazil's homicide rate accelerated.
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Early in the Bolsonaro presidency, a Brazilian lawyer prediceted the homicide rate would drop. From ammoland.com:

César Mello, asked that I include information that early reports are showing a 25% drop in Brazil's homicide rate, in the first quarter of 2019. If this trend continues, 16,000 lives will have been saved in the first year of President Bolsonaro's time in office.

The rate reduction was not quite that high. Only 10,000 lives were saved. From wtop.com:

Brazil had 41,635 killings in 2019, down 19% from the prior year and the least number of homicides since 2007, when the so-called Violence Monitor index was launched. It is a partnership between the non-profit Brazilian Forum of Public Security, the University of Sao Paulo’s Center for the Study of Violence, and news website G1, which published the data Friday.

When translated to homicide rates, the rate dropped 17% in 2018, then 23% more in 2019. The population of Brazil in 2019 was 210 million. The rate of homicides per 100,000 was 19.83. That is less than 2/3 of the homicide rate in 2017, which was 30.8.

 

[NoNukes]

Hey idiot, how often does this happen in the UK. And try to be honest.

But....But.....they have gun control in Britain......right? Then how did this baby get shot in the head in a country that banned handguns?

4 people shot in the middle of a street in Britain..........in gun controlled Britain....

A two-year-old boy who was shot in the head survived after the bullet missed a crucial artery by 1mm, his family have revealed, as they appealed for anyone with information on the shooting to come forward.

The toddler was one of four people, including his mother, who were shot in Energen Close, Harlesden, north-west London, on 3 June.

London family appeals for information after toddler shot in head

Two-year-old survived shooting in Harlesden after bullet missed artery by 1mm

www.theguardian.com

 

[NoNukes]

OK, I’ll take your option because we can always get ammo, one way or the other.

Good luck with that.

BTW, here are the facts about the Swiss gun laws in their entirety, not your edited rant: Firearms regulation in Switzerland - Wikipedia

Thank you for making my point. Switzerland has arguably the most rigorous gun control regime anywhere, which means only responsible, well trained citizens can have firearms; in direct contrast with America's pathetic hit and miss regime which means that just about anyone can get a gun easily, from "fine upstanding citizens" all the way over to "criminal low life". Gun control works.

Moron......they have fully automatic military weapons in their homes.......they can have as much private ammo as they want........which Swiss gun control law stops them from taking the fully automatic military weapon....which they already have in their possession, and all the private ammo they can carry...to the nearest school, church, mall or theater?


You are an idiot.......

Again....as more Americans own and actually carry guns...our gun murder rate went down 49%....our gun crime rate went down 75%...

How do you explain that? You hide from answering that question because your theory is wrong....and doesn't explain anything.......it falls apart with the most basic questions..............

Gun crime in the United States is also focused almost exclusively to gangs in democrat party controlled cities, because of their policies on criminals and police.......our gun crime has nothing to do with normal people who own and carry guns..

YOu are wrong.....and don't have any idea what you are talking about.

I also notice you ignore the point that the Swiss can have all the private ammo they want...thus wrecking your entire point about the Swiss having fully automatic military rifles in their homes......you twit.

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.



The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.

Maine tops ‘safest states’ rankings four years after removing major gun restriction

When Maine passed a “Constitutional Carry” law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.



One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.

Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.


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Now four years later, Maine has been named the safest state in the nation according to US News and World Report’s public safety rankings, which measures the fifty states based on crime data.



Ranking as the top safest state for violent crime and fourth for property crime, Maine edges out another New England state, Vermont, for the top spot. Of note, Vermont also is a “Constitutional Carry” state. New Hampshire ranks third in the national rankings, giving New England all three of the top spots in the nation.

In 2018, Maine was edged out by Vermont in the same “safest states” ranking, but declared the best state overall in the broader “Crime and Corrections” category.

In 2017, using a different methodology, Maine was ranked second among the fifty states in the “Crime and Corrections” category and also second in the categories used to rank the “safest states.”

The U.S. News and World Report “Best States” rankings are built in partnership with McKinsey & Company, a firm that works closely with state leaders around the nation.

Maine has also ranked at the top of other state rankings. WalletHub.com recently ranked Maine second in “Personal and Residential Safety” among the fifty states, and third overall.
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Bolsonaro's Brazil, More Legal Guns, Homicide Rates Down Precipitously

In December, 2018, in an article published by the Wall Street Journal, this pronouncement was made. From the wsj.com:

Now, Brazil is set to embark on an experiment that will determine what happens when you loosen gun restrictions in a country battling an overpowering wave of gun crime.

Homicides in Brazil were at historic highs in 2017. They dropped a bit in 2018, as candidate Bolsonaro ran on reform of the gun laws to allow self defense, and reform of the law to get tough on crime. The homicide numbers dropped from 59,000 in 2017, to 51,000 in 2018. President Bolsonaro was elected in October of 2018.

After taking office on 1 January, 2019, President Bolsonaro issued his first decree reforming some of Brazil's extreme gun laws on 15 January, 2019. The drop in Brazil's homicide rate accelerated.
-------

Early in the Bolsonaro presidency, a Brazilian lawyer prediceted the homicide rate would drop. From ammoland.com:

César Mello, asked that I include information that early reports are showing a 25% drop in Brazil's homicide rate, in the first quarter of 2019. If this trend continues, 16,000 lives will have been saved in the first year of President Bolsonaro's time in office.

The rate reduction was not quite that high. Only 10,000 lives were saved. From wtop.com:

Brazil had 41,635 killings in 2019, down 19% from the prior year and the least number of homicides since 2007, when the so-called Violence Monitor index was launched. It is a partnership between the non-profit Brazilian Forum of Public Security, the University of Sao Paulo’s Center for the Study of Violence, and news website G1, which published the data Friday.

When translated to homicide rates, the rate dropped 17% in 2018, then 23% more in 2019. The population of Brazil in 2019 was 210 million. The rate of homicides per 100,000 was 19.83. That is less than 2/3 of the homicide rate in 2017, which was 30.8.

The Swiss had to hand in their guns and ammunition years ago.

 

[2aguy]

Hey idiot, how often does this happen in the UK. And try to be honest.

But....But.....they have gun control in Britain......right? Then how did this baby get shot in the head in a country that banned handguns?

4 people shot in the middle of a street in Britain..........in gun controlled Britain....

A two-year-old boy who was shot in the head survived after the bullet missed a crucial artery by 1mm, his family have revealed, as they appealed for anyone with information on the shooting to come forward.

The toddler was one of four people, including his mother, who were shot in Energen Close, Harlesden, north-west London, on 3 June.

London family appeals for information after toddler shot in head

Two-year-old survived shooting in Harlesden after bullet missed artery by 1mm

www.theguardian.com

Not often....why? Because their criminals don't use guns to spray and pray the way American criminals do. The British criminals have access to guns, they don't use them to murder each other as often as American gangs do in democrat party controlled cities.

You moron...you don't understand what the issue is.

Before they banned and confiscated guns in Britain, they had low levels of gun violence.........which you don't understand....then, after they banned and confiscated guns........their gun crime rate did not change....you moron....

That means...since you are slow.....that gun control had no effect on their criminals and how they used their guns..........

Now....the immigrant gangs running British drug turf are using guns and they don't care about British culture or laws......so they are going to get more violent and use their guns more and more.....

 

[2aguy]

OK, I’ll take your option because we can always get ammo, one way or the other.

Good luck with that.

BTW, here are the facts about the Swiss gun laws in their entirety, not your edited rant: Firearms regulation in Switzerland - Wikipedia

Thank you for making my point. Switzerland has arguably the most rigorous gun control regime anywhere, which means only responsible, well trained citizens can have firearms; in direct contrast with America's pathetic hit and miss regime which means that just about anyone can get a gun easily, from "fine upstanding citizens" all the way over to "criminal low life". Gun control works.

Moron......they have fully automatic military weapons in their homes.......they can have as much private ammo as they want........which Swiss gun control law stops them from taking the fully automatic military weapon....which they already have in their possession, and all the private ammo they can carry...to the nearest school, church, mall or theater?


You are an idiot.......

Again....as more Americans own and actually carry guns...our gun murder rate went down 49%....our gun crime rate went down 75%...

How do you explain that? You hide from answering that question because your theory is wrong....and doesn't explain anything.......it falls apart with the most basic questions..............

Gun crime in the United States is also focused almost exclusively to gangs in democrat party controlled cities, because of their policies on criminals and police.......our gun crime has nothing to do with normal people who own and carry guns..

YOu are wrong.....and don't have any idea what you are talking about.

I also notice you ignore the point that the Swiss can have all the private ammo they want...thus wrecking your entire point about the Swiss having fully automatic military rifles in their homes......you twit.

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.



The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.

Maine tops ‘safest states’ rankings four years after removing major gun restriction

When Maine passed a “Constitutional Carry” law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.



One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.

Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.


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Now four years later, Maine has been named the safest state in the nation according to US News and World Report’s public safety rankings, which measures the fifty states based on crime data.



Ranking as the top safest state for violent crime and fourth for property crime, Maine edges out another New England state, Vermont, for the top spot. Of note, Vermont also is a “Constitutional Carry” state. New Hampshire ranks third in the national rankings, giving New England all three of the top spots in the nation.

In 2018, Maine was edged out by Vermont in the same “safest states” ranking, but declared the best state overall in the broader “Crime and Corrections” category.

In 2017, using a different methodology, Maine was ranked second among the fifty states in the “Crime and Corrections” category and also second in the categories used to rank the “safest states.”

The U.S. News and World Report “Best States” rankings are built in partnership with McKinsey & Company, a firm that works closely with state leaders around the nation.

Maine has also ranked at the top of other state rankings. WalletHub.com recently ranked Maine second in “Personal and Residential Safety” among the fifty states, and third overall.
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Bolsonaro's Brazil, More Legal Guns, Homicide Rates Down Precipitously

In December, 2018, in an article published by the Wall Street Journal, this pronouncement was made. From the wsj.com:

Now, Brazil is set to embark on an experiment that will determine what happens when you loosen gun restrictions in a country battling an overpowering wave of gun crime.

Homicides in Brazil were at historic highs in 2017. They dropped a bit in 2018, as candidate Bolsonaro ran on reform of the gun laws to allow self defense, and reform of the law to get tough on crime. The homicide numbers dropped from 59,000 in 2017, to 51,000 in 2018. President Bolsonaro was elected in October of 2018.

After taking office on 1 January, 2019, President Bolsonaro issued his first decree reforming some of Brazil's extreme gun laws on 15 January, 2019. The drop in Brazil's homicide rate accelerated.
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Early in the Bolsonaro presidency, a Brazilian lawyer prediceted the homicide rate would drop. From ammoland.com:

César Mello, asked that I include information that early reports are showing a 25% drop in Brazil's homicide rate, in the first quarter of 2019. If this trend continues, 16,000 lives will have been saved in the first year of President Bolsonaro's time in office.

The rate reduction was not quite that high. Only 10,000 lives were saved. From wtop.com:

Brazil had 41,635 killings in 2019, down 19% from the prior year and the least number of homicides since 2007, when the so-called Violence Monitor index was launched. It is a partnership between the non-profit Brazilian Forum of Public Security, the University of Sao Paulo’s Center for the Study of Violence, and news website G1, which published the data Friday.

When translated to homicide rates, the rate dropped 17% in 2018, then 23% more in 2019. The population of Brazil in 2019 was 210 million. The rate of homicides per 100,000 was 19.83. That is less than 2/3 of the homicide rate in 2017, which was 30.8.

The Swiss had to hand in their guns and ammunition years ago.

Wrong.

 

[2aguy]

Hey idiot, how often does this happen in the UK. And try to be honest.

But....But.....they have gun control in Britain......right? Then how did this baby get shot in the head in a country that banned handguns?

4 people shot in the middle of a street in Britain..........in gun controlled Britain....

A two-year-old boy who was shot in the head survived after the bullet missed a crucial artery by 1mm, his family have revealed, as they appealed for anyone with information on the shooting to come forward.

The toddler was one of four people, including his mother, who were shot in Energen Close, Harlesden, north-west London, on 3 June.

London family appeals for information after toddler shot in head

Two-year-old survived shooting in Harlesden after bullet missed artery by 1mm

www.theguardian.com

So.....which British gun control law kept these shooters, in Britain, from killing a bunch of kids in a public school?

Teenage boys planned to 'kill everyone' at Yorkshire school in Columbine-style gun and bomb massacre, court hears

Two teenage boys planned to “kill everyone” at their Yorkshireschool in a Columbine-style massacre using bombs and guns, a court has heard.

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Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed

A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.

Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.

The 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.

Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
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Here is the updat, the original is below..

Yep.....this 19 year old got bombs and a glock 19 and 94 rounds of 9mm ammo on the dark web in Britain in order to murder people at the University he used to attend..........

I guess their gun control laws stopped him...right? Or was it pure, dumb luck.....?



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British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.
Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.
As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.
According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.
Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.
The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.
In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”
He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.
====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'

15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.
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'Gunman' walks into Liverpool nursery school as children were playing inside

Police have sealed off a children's nursery in Liverpool amid reports a gunman walked into the building while youngsters were inside.

Officers were called to Childs Play Nursery in Wavertree, Merseyside, at around 8am this morning.

The man, who is believed to have been carrying what looked like a firearm, walked into the nursery and approached another man.

He then left with a second man on the back of a motorbike.



Children among 10 people in hospital after mass shooting in Manchester

Ten people, including two children, were taken to hospital after a shooting at a street party in the Moss Side area of Manchester.

Armed police officers rushed to the scene on a residential street at 2.30am on Sunday, where a party was being held following a Caribbean Carnival at a nearby park.

 

[Vagabond63]

Moron......they have fully automatic military weapons in their homes.......they can have as much private ammo as they want........which Swiss gun control law stops them from taking the fully automatic military weapon....which they already have in their possession, and all the private ammo they can carry...to the nearest school, church, mall or theater?

This one and subsequent legislation: SR 514.54 Bundesgesetz vom 20. Juni 1997 über Waffen, Waffenzubehör und Munition (Waffengesetz, WG)
Oh, FYI, in 2004 only 43% of ex-soldiers kept their military rifles at home, by 2015 this number dropped to 11%.

Again....as more Americans own and actually carry guns...our gun murder rate went down 49%....our gun crime rate went down 75%...

How do you explain that?

You still haven't read your own link have you? The article you quote provides several reasons why the gun murder rate went down; gun ownership wasn't one of them. I can equally argue based on your logic that since 1997 when handguns were banned in the UK our gun deaths dropped by 50% and our gun murder rate by 60% (I know you love your percentages)

I also notice you ignore the point that the Swiss can have all the private ammo they want...thus wrecking your entire point about the Swiss having fully automatic military rifles in their homes......you twit.

Not without the required permits. All ammunition sales are monitored and recorded, if you buy ammunition at a range, any unfired bullets have to be returned before you leave; oh, and handgun permits are only valid for 9 months. After that time the owner has to re-apply or sell their gun. Every Canton in Switzerland carefully monitors all firearms in their jurisdiction and you cannot carry a gun in public without another special permit.

Switzerland has some of the most rigorous gun controls in Europe, without actually impinging on people's ability to shoot for sport and recreation (or national defence, for that matter). The USA (and the UK for that matter) could learn a lot from the Swiss without messing with your 2nd Ammendment rights.

 

[Vagabond63]

Hey idiot, how often does this happen in the UK. And try to be honest.

But....But.....they have gun control in Britain......right? Then how did this baby get shot in the head in a country that banned handguns?

4 people shot in the middle of a street in Britain..........in gun controlled Britain....

A two-year-old boy who was shot in the head survived after the bullet missed a crucial artery by 1mm, his family have revealed, as they appealed for anyone with information on the shooting to come forward.

The toddler was one of four people, including his mother, who were shot in Energen Close, Harlesden, north-west London, on 3 June.

London family appeals for information after toddler shot in head

Two-year-old survived shooting in Harlesden after bullet missed artery by 1mm

www.theguardian.com

So.....which British gun control law kept these shooters, in Britain, from killing a bunch of kids in a public school?

Teenage boys planned to 'kill everyone' at Yorkshire school in Columbine-style gun and bomb massacre, court hears

Two teenage boys planned to “kill everyone” at their Yorkshireschool in a Columbine-style massacre using bombs and guns, a court has heard.

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.4/6/18

Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed

A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.

Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.

The 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.

Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
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Here is the updat, the original is below..

Yep.....this 19 year old got bombs and a glock 19 and 94 rounds of 9mm ammo on the dark web in Britain in order to murder people at the University he used to attend..........

I guess their gun control laws stopped him...right? Or was it pure, dumb luck.....?



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British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.
Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.
As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.
According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.
Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.
The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.
In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”
He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.
====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'

15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.
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'Gunman' walks into Liverpool nursery school as children were playing inside

Police have sealed off a children's nursery in Liverpool amid reports a gunman walked into the building while youngsters were inside.

Officers were called to Childs Play Nursery in Wavertree, Merseyside, at around 8am this morning.

The man, who is believed to have been carrying what looked like a firearm, walked into the nursery and approached another man.

He then left with a second man on the back of a motorbike.



Children among 10 people in hospital after mass shooting in Manchester

Ten people, including two children, were taken to hospital after a shooting at a street party in the Moss Side area of Manchester.

Armed police officers rushed to the scene on a residential street at 2.30am on Sunday, where a party was being held following a Caribbean Carnival at a nearby park.

Oh, dear, not this BS again. Luck had nothing to do with it. The fantasists you mention had a more difficult time getting their guns because of our gun controls. If they lived in the US they just have to walk into a supermarket and put the gun(s) of their choice into their trolley. Shotguns and rifles are NOT illegal in the UK.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Hey idiot, how often does this happen in the UK. And try to be honest.

But....But.....they have gun control in Britain......right? Then how did this baby get shot in the head in a country that banned handguns?

4 people shot in the middle of a street in Britain..........in gun controlled Britain....

A two-year-old boy who was shot in the head survived after the bullet missed a crucial artery by 1mm, his family have revealed, as they appealed for anyone with information on the shooting to come forward.

The toddler was one of four people, including his mother, who were shot in Energen Close, Harlesden, north-west London, on 3 June.

London family appeals for information after toddler shot in head

Two-year-old survived shooting in Harlesden after bullet missed artery by 1mm

www.theguardian.com

So.....which British gun control law kept these shooters, in Britain, from killing a bunch of kids in a public school?

Teenage boys planned to 'kill everyone' at Yorkshire school in Columbine-style gun and bomb massacre, court hears

Two teenage boys planned to “kill everyone” at their Yorkshireschool in a Columbine-style massacre using bombs and guns, a court has heard.

---------------------------




.4/6/18

Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed

A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.

Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.

The 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.

Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
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Here is the updat, the original is below..

Yep.....this 19 year old got bombs and a glock 19 and 94 rounds of 9mm ammo on the dark web in Britain in order to murder people at the University he used to attend..........

I guess their gun control laws stopped him...right? Or was it pure, dumb luck.....?



-------------

British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.
Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.
As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.
According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.
Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.
The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.
In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”
He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.
====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'

15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.
=======


'Gunman' walks into Liverpool nursery school as children were playing inside

Police have sealed off a children's nursery in Liverpool amid reports a gunman walked into the building while youngsters were inside.

Officers were called to Childs Play Nursery in Wavertree, Merseyside, at around 8am this morning.

The man, who is believed to have been carrying what looked like a firearm, walked into the nursery and approached another man.

He then left with a second man on the back of a motorbike.



Children among 10 people in hospital after mass shooting in Manchester

Ten people, including two children, were taken to hospital after a shooting at a street party in the Moss Side area of Manchester.

Armed police officers rushed to the scene on a residential street at 2.30am on Sunday, where a party was being held following a Caribbean Carnival at a nearby park.

Oh, dear, not this BS again. Luck had nothing to do with it. The fantasists you mention had a more difficult time getting their guns because of our gun controls. If they lived in the US they just have to walk into a supermarket and put the gun(s) of their choice into their trolley. Shotguns and rifles are NOT illegal in the UK.

/——/ Supermarkets don’t sell guns and we use shopping carts, not trollies. A trolly is a street level electric train.