Shootings in Britain

[Tommy Tainant]

A British police officer.........likely unarmed.....was shot and murdered...by a criminal who had an illegal gun.....in Britain.....you know, where they have gun control....

Inside a police station no less..........

I once saw and episode of the t.v. show, "Cops," when they went to London......it showed London Bobbies taking a really tall guy into custody.....they simply opened the tiny police car door, and the guy got in.....they didn't search the guy till they got to the station......

This is why you search suspects when you arrest them......

A "long-serving" custody sergeant died after being shot by a suspect inside a police station.

The victim died in hospital after the gunman, who was being detained, opened fire at Croydon custody centre in south London during the early hours of Friday.

The alleged killer, 23, is believed to then have turned the firearm on himself. He was arrested and taken to hospital, where he remains in a critical condition after sustaining a gunshot wound.

Paramedics were scrambled to Croydon custody centre in Windmill Road at 2.15am. Officers who witnessed the shooting, battled to save their colleague’s life.

Urgent questions were today being asked about how the suspect, believed to have been arrested on suspicion of possessing ammunition, was apparently able to take a gun inside the station and whether the weapon was missed in a search. The Met said no police firearm was discharged.
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The station was described as a “state of the art” secure facility with space for more than 40 prisoners when it opened in 2012.

Police officer shot dead by suspect inside south London station

A "long-serving" custody sergeant died after being shot by a suspect inside a police station.

www.standard.co.uk

So.....not only do they have extreme gun control in Britain...but this guy, the one who shot the police officer...in the police station....was on a government terrorist watch list......and he still got an illegal gun...

The suspect who shot a police sergeant dead at a UK police station was known to counter-terrorism police, it is reported.

The 23-year-old was on the specialist unit's radar in the past.

Suspect who shot officer dead at station âwas known to terror policeâ

The 23-year-old suspect was on counter-terrorism police's radar, it is reported, while an investigation has been launched by the Independent Office for Police Conduct after the slain sergeant was shot in the chest

www.mirror.co.uk

Have any police officers been shot in the US this year ?

 

[2aguy]

A British police officer.........likely unarmed.....was shot and murdered...by a criminal who had an illegal gun.....in Britain.....you know, where they have gun control....

Inside a police station no less..........

I once saw and episode of the t.v. show, "Cops," when they went to London......it showed London Bobbies taking a really tall guy into custody.....they simply opened the tiny police car door, and the guy got in.....they didn't search the guy till they got to the station......

This is why you search suspects when you arrest them......

A "long-serving" custody sergeant died after being shot by a suspect inside a police station.

The victim died in hospital after the gunman, who was being detained, opened fire at Croydon custody centre in south London during the early hours of Friday.

The alleged killer, 23, is believed to then have turned the firearm on himself. He was arrested and taken to hospital, where he remains in a critical condition after sustaining a gunshot wound.

Paramedics were scrambled to Croydon custody centre in Windmill Road at 2.15am. Officers who witnessed the shooting, battled to save their colleague’s life.

Urgent questions were today being asked about how the suspect, believed to have been arrested on suspicion of possessing ammunition, was apparently able to take a gun inside the station and whether the weapon was missed in a search. The Met said no police firearm was discharged.
----

The station was described as a “state of the art” secure facility with space for more than 40 prisoners when it opened in 2012.

Police officer shot dead by suspect inside south London station

A "long-serving" custody sergeant died after being shot by a suspect inside a police station.

www.standard.co.uk

So.....not only do they have extreme gun control in Britain...but this guy, the one who shot the police officer...in the police station....was on a government terrorist watch list......and he still got an illegal gun...

The suspect who shot a police sergeant dead at a UK police station was known to counter-terrorism police, it is reported.

The 23-year-old was on the specialist unit's radar in the past.

Suspect who shot officer dead at station âwas known to terror policeâ

The 23-year-old suspect was on counter-terrorism police's radar, it is reported, while an investigation has been launched by the Independent Office for Police Conduct after the slain sergeant was shot in the chest

www.mirror.co.uk

Have any police officers been shot in the US this year ?

Yes.....but you are the ones who brag that your gun control laws keep criminals from killing police officers...this one shot the officer in a police station with a hand gun.....

Gun control does not keep guns from criminals, it simply makes sure normal people are helpless in the face of rapists, thieves and killers.

 

[beautress]

This thread reminds me of a song my grandpa used to sing from his days in WWI as a US soldier: "How you gonna keep 'em down on the farm, after they've seen Paree? How you gonna keep them away from harm...that's a mystery...."
*sigh*

 

[2aguy]

A good video for women who live in Britain.....

 

[2aguy]

A tale of two different attacks...one in Britain one in the U.S...

Britain....

A woman suffered serious head injuries after being “attacked with a hammer” in a quiet country lane.

The victim, whose age is not known, was taken to hospital after being found in Telegraph Lane in Claygate, Surrey at about 1.15pm on Monday.

Detectives believe she was targeted in an unprovoked attack.

A 22-year-old man was arrested soon afterwards and was being questioned today on suspicion of attempted murder.

Woman suffers serious head injuries in country lane 'hammer attack'

A woman suffered serious head injuries after being “attacked with a hammer” in a quiet country lane.

www.standard.co.uk

United States......

Lancaster Woman Scares Off Bat-Wielding Attackers By Pulling Gun On Them

LANCASTER, Ohio - It happened along a walking path in Lancaster.

Dinah Burns is licensed to carry a concealed gun, but she'd only recently started taking her weapon while walking her dog.

Based on what happened, it looks like she'll make a point of carrying from now on.

"I think if they'd gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,” said Burns.

It was Monday when Burns was on a footpath near Sanderson Elementary School.

"Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and said 'You're coming with us'."

The men weren't deterred by Dinah's dog Gracie.

"I said, 'Well, what do you want?,' and as I was saying that I reached in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I pulled it out. As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, 'I have this and I'm not afraid to use it.'"

The men took off and so far have eluded police. Dinah posted about the incident on Facebook to alert friends and neighbors, to criticism by some.

"Most of the males' opinion was, 'Why didn't you shoot them?'"

Easy to second-guess a decision made under pressure, based on her concealed carry training, and police agree.

"To get out of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without having to discharge your firearm."

"I will say it's a good thing to go from a place of danger to a place of safety, however you get that done,” said Sgt. Matt Chambers, Lancaster Police.

"Very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it doesn't happen again, but I will be prepared."

 

[2aguy]

Law abiding people carrying guns for self defense does not increase the murder rate...something Britains should learn....

• EMAIL

Courtesy Crime Prevention Research Center

John Lott has published his Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States: 2020 and there’s lots of good news in it.
------
Other goods news is that chart above. It shows the murder rate has declined as the CCW rate increases.

But the trend is even more noticeable, to the point where one cannot honestly deny it.

Data Reveals Murders and Violent Crime Decrease as More People Carry Guns - The Truth About Guns

&#9664Previous Post Next Post▶ John Lott has published his Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States: 2020 and there’s lots of good news in it. The number of concealed handgun permits has soared to over 19.48 million – a 34% increase over 2016. Seventeen states no longer provide...

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

 

[2aguy]

Sadly, British women do not have the chance to protect themselves at any time of the year, let alone Fall......

An American woman, practicing her Right to self defense...

Keep in mind....she is not a Navy SEAL, a member of the SAS, or even the police....

 

[Vagabond63]

Law abiding people carrying guns for self defense does not increase the murder rate...something Britains should learn....

• EMAIL

Courtesy Crime Prevention Research Center

John Lott has published his Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States: 2020 and there’s lots of good news in it.
------
Other goods news is that chart above. It shows the murder rate has declined as the CCW rate increases.

But the trend is even more noticeable, to the point where one cannot honestly deny it.

Data Reveals Murders and Violent Crime Decrease as More People Carry Guns - The Truth About Guns

&#9664Previous Post Next Post▶ John Lott has published his Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States: 2020 and there’s lots of good news in it. The number of concealed handgun permits has soared to over 19.48 million – a 34% increase over 2016. Seventeen states no longer provide...

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

Crime prevention Research Centre? Ah, the John Lott propaganda factory, making things up again, got it.

 

[Vagabond63]

15 year old shot in the mouth....in a country with extreme gun control.....

And how did a 15 year old, the one suspected of being the shooter.....get a gun, in gun controlled Britain?

The teenager, 15, is fighting for his life in hospital after being gunned down on his first day back at Kesgrave High School, Ipswich, on Monday morning. A boy, also 15, was later arrested about five miles from the scene at 11am. According to sources, they had once been close friends, reported The Sun. One parent described hearing the shooting just before 8.30am. They said: ‘It was a very, very loud bang. Then there was a lot of shouting and screaming.’ -------
Another neighbour said their son also heard the sound of the blast followed by a ‘significant pause’ then a scream ‘maybe from someone who witnessed what happened’. He told the Mirror: ‘He was apparently shot in the mouth. Today would have been his first day back at school, so someone knew exactly where he would be. The boy who was shot comes from a good family.’


Read more: Terrified children heard 'very loud bang' before boy, 15, 'shot in face'

Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: Metro


Read more: Terrified children heard 'very loud bang' before boy, 15, 'shot in face'

Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: Metro

Terrified children heard 'very loud bang' before boy, 15, 'shot in face'

One parent said children took cover in her home after a woman was heard screaming 'run' in the streets.

metro.co.uk

How do you know that the weapon was illegal? An eyewitness stated the shooter looked as if they were carrying a brush or pole covered by clothes. That sounds like a rifle or shotgun, both of which are legally available in the UK. Perhaps his parents got careless, like many, many American parents and the kid got hold of the keys to the gun safe/cabinet?

It doesn't matter if it is legal...you dumb ass.....your gun control laws are supposed to stop criminals from using guns to commit crimes......they don't......what are the odds that those doing the shooting went through the rigorous training, and legal requirements to own that shotgun? You moron. And which gun control law in Britain kept them from walking into a school, a theater, a church?

Your criminal gangs will use guns when they want to shoot people ....and your gun control laws are not stopping them....handguns are becoming more and more convenient for your criminals....as they protect their drug trade.

This 15 year old boy was not a criminal until he pulled the trigger. Our hand gun ban was place to prevent mass shootings of innocent people and it has worked. Gun ownership is restricted so it's very difficult for whack jobs to go out and shoot up churches, schools, etc. in the UK, unlike in the US, where these events seem to occur every week.

How has your gun ban stopped mass shootings? Criminals and crazies still have access to guns, you doofus....the only reason you haven't had another mass shooting is the crazies haven't decided to do one........since they can obviously get guns in your country too.....

The Cumbria shooting.....12 people killed with a shotgun and bolt action rifle...you dumb ass.......

12 gauge double barreled shotgun,

.22 caliber bolt action rifle....

12 people killed........

Cumbria shootings - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You don't understand anything you are talking about......

One, not using hand guns. How many mass shootings have there been in the US since 1997?

He killed 12 people, injured 11...with a double barreled shotgun and bolt action rifle....you doofus........that is more people killed than in each mass public shooting in the U.S. in 2019 except for one, dittos 2018, except for one, you guy killed more people in his shooting than our guys did in theirs and they had access to hand guns...you moron..........................so you have no point, you moron...you don't know what you are talking about....

US mass shootings, 1982–2023: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

The full data set from our in-depth investigation into mass shootings.

www.motherjones.com

So, there have been 118 mass shootings in the US since Mother Jones started to record them since 1982, 98 of these since we passed our handgun ban in 1996. Mass shootings in the UK over the same period? ONE. But gun contol apparently doesn't work...yeah, right, whatever.

Of course you also seem to avoid mentioning the non mass shootings in America that happen every day, because you allow anyone without an actual criminal record to be able to buy a gun; even criminals can buy guns in some places as no-one bothers with background checks.

 

[Vagabond63]

15 year old shot in the mouth....in a country with extreme gun control.....

And how did a 15 year old, the one suspected of being the shooter.....get a gun, in gun controlled Britain?

The teenager, 15, is fighting for his life in hospital after being gunned down on his first day back at Kesgrave High School, Ipswich, on Monday morning. A boy, also 15, was later arrested about five miles from the scene at 11am. According to sources, they had once been close friends, reported The Sun. One parent described hearing the shooting just before 8.30am. They said: ‘It was a very, very loud bang. Then there was a lot of shouting and screaming.’ -------
Another neighbour said their son also heard the sound of the blast followed by a ‘significant pause’ then a scream ‘maybe from someone who witnessed what happened’. He told the Mirror: ‘He was apparently shot in the mouth. Today would have been his first day back at school, so someone knew exactly where he would be. The boy who was shot comes from a good family.’


Read more: Terrified children heard 'very loud bang' before boy, 15, 'shot in face'

Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: Metro


Read more: Terrified children heard 'very loud bang' before boy, 15, 'shot in face'

Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: Metro

Terrified children heard 'very loud bang' before boy, 15, 'shot in face'

One parent said children took cover in her home after a woman was heard screaming 'run' in the streets.

metro.co.uk

How do you know that the weapon was illegal? An eyewitness stated the shooter looked as if they were carrying a brush or pole covered by clothes. That sounds like a rifle or shotgun, both of which are legally available in the UK. Perhaps his parents got careless, like many, many American parents and the kid got hold of the keys to the gun safe/cabinet?

It doesn't matter if it is legal...you dumb ass.....your gun control laws are supposed to stop criminals from using guns to commit crimes......they don't......what are the odds that those doing the shooting went through the rigorous training, and legal requirements to own that shotgun? You moron. And which gun control law in Britain kept them from walking into a school, a theater, a church?

Your criminal gangs will use guns when they want to shoot people ....and your gun control laws are not stopping them....handguns are becoming more and more convenient for your criminals....as they protect their drug trade.

This 15 year old boy was not a criminal until he pulled the trigger. Our hand gun ban was place to prevent mass shootings of innocent people and it has worked. Gun ownership is restricted so it's very difficult for whack jobs to go out and shoot up churches, schools, etc. in the UK, unlike in the US, where these events seem to occur every week.

How has your gun ban stopped mass shootings? Criminals and crazies still have access to guns, you doofus....the only reason you haven't had another mass shooting is the crazies haven't decided to do one........since they can obviously get guns in your country too.....

The Cumbria shooting.....12 people killed with a shotgun and bolt action rifle...you dumb ass.......

12 gauge double barreled shotgun,

.22 caliber bolt action rifle....

12 people killed........

Cumbria shootings - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You don't understand anything you are talking about......

One, not using hand guns. How many mass shootings have there been in the US since 1997?

And yours is a stupid question....I have just pointed out that with a .22 bolt action rifle and a double barreled shotgun your guy murdered 12 people and injured 11.....meaning that any one of your crazies has access to weapons that can be used to kill as many people as our mass shooters do with their access to handguns......they just haven't decided to do it yet.......

Our "crazies" have a hard time even getting near a gun, let alone using one. Your single UK example is of a normal person who snapped under the various pressures in his life who was previously of good enough character to be allowed to own firearms. Your "crazies" and others in the same circumstances, just have to visit a gun fair or dodgy gun dealer, buy a gun, and start shooting. 98 mass shootings an countless other "non-mass" shootings in the US since 1997. In the UK, ONE. You even have to trawl through our local papers like the Liverpool Echo to find the occasional gang related shooting incident, which according to your "mindset" you don't count in America as it's a "blue on blue" event.

 

[Vagabond63]

A good video for women who live in Britain.....

Seems you're still using the "sex sells" trope.

 

[2aguy]

Law abiding people carrying guns for self defense does not increase the murder rate...something Britains should learn....

• EMAIL

Courtesy Crime Prevention Research Center

John Lott has published his Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States: 2020 and there’s lots of good news in it.
------
Other goods news is that chart above. It shows the murder rate has declined as the CCW rate increases.

But the trend is even more noticeable, to the point where one cannot honestly deny it.

Data Reveals Murders and Violent Crime Decrease as More People Carry Guns - The Truth About Guns

&#9664Previous Post Next Post▶ John Lott has published his Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States: 2020 and there’s lots of good news in it. The number of concealed handgun permits has soared to over 19.48 million – a 34% increase over 2016. Seventeen states no longer provide...

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

Crime prevention Research Centre? Ah, the John Lott propaganda factory, making things up again, got it.

You can't dispute his research...so you lie about him. You are a weak twit.

 

[2aguy]

15 year old shot in the mouth....in a country with extreme gun control.....

And how did a 15 year old, the one suspected of being the shooter.....get a gun, in gun controlled Britain?

The teenager, 15, is fighting for his life in hospital after being gunned down on his first day back at Kesgrave High School, Ipswich, on Monday morning. A boy, also 15, was later arrested about five miles from the scene at 11am. According to sources, they had once been close friends, reported The Sun. One parent described hearing the shooting just before 8.30am. They said: ‘It was a very, very loud bang. Then there was a lot of shouting and screaming.’ -------
Another neighbour said their son also heard the sound of the blast followed by a ‘significant pause’ then a scream ‘maybe from someone who witnessed what happened’. He told the Mirror: ‘He was apparently shot in the mouth. Today would have been his first day back at school, so someone knew exactly where he would be. The boy who was shot comes from a good family.’


Read more: Terrified children heard 'very loud bang' before boy, 15, 'shot in face'

Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: Metro


Read more: Terrified children heard 'very loud bang' before boy, 15, 'shot in face'

Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: Metro

Terrified children heard 'very loud bang' before boy, 15, 'shot in face'

One parent said children took cover in her home after a woman was heard screaming 'run' in the streets.

metro.co.uk

How do you know that the weapon was illegal? An eyewitness stated the shooter looked as if they were carrying a brush or pole covered by clothes. That sounds like a rifle or shotgun, both of which are legally available in the UK. Perhaps his parents got careless, like many, many American parents and the kid got hold of the keys to the gun safe/cabinet?

It doesn't matter if it is legal...you dumb ass.....your gun control laws are supposed to stop criminals from using guns to commit crimes......they don't......what are the odds that those doing the shooting went through the rigorous training, and legal requirements to own that shotgun? You moron. And which gun control law in Britain kept them from walking into a school, a theater, a church?

Your criminal gangs will use guns when they want to shoot people ....and your gun control laws are not stopping them....handguns are becoming more and more convenient for your criminals....as they protect their drug trade.

This 15 year old boy was not a criminal until he pulled the trigger. Our hand gun ban was place to prevent mass shootings of innocent people and it has worked. Gun ownership is restricted so it's very difficult for whack jobs to go out and shoot up churches, schools, etc. in the UK, unlike in the US, where these events seem to occur every week.

How has your gun ban stopped mass shootings? Criminals and crazies still have access to guns, you doofus....the only reason you haven't had another mass shooting is the crazies haven't decided to do one........since they can obviously get guns in your country too.....

The Cumbria shooting.....12 people killed with a shotgun and bolt action rifle...you dumb ass.......

12 gauge double barreled shotgun,

.22 caliber bolt action rifle....

12 people killed........

Cumbria shootings - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You don't understand anything you are talking about......

One, not using hand guns. How many mass shootings have there been in the US since 1997?

He killed 12 people, injured 11...with a double barreled shotgun and bolt action rifle....you doofus........that is more people killed than in each mass public shooting in the U.S. in 2019 except for one, dittos 2018, except for one, you guy killed more people in his shooting than our guys did in theirs and they had access to hand guns...you moron..........................so you have no point, you moron...you don't know what you are talking about....

US mass shootings, 1982–2023: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

The full data set from our in-depth investigation into mass shootings.

www.motherjones.com

So, there have been 118 mass shootings in the US since Mother Jones started to record them since 1982, 98 of these since we passed our handgun ban in 1996. Mass shootings in the UK over the same period? ONE. But gun contol apparently doesn't work...yeah, right, whatever.

Of course you also seem to avoid mentioning the non mass shootings in America that happen every day, because you allow anyone without an actual criminal record to be able to buy a gun; even criminals can buy guns in some places as no-one bothers with background checks.

And before the ban in Britain you averaged just one every 10 years...you had guns, you didn't have mass public shootings in large numbers.....gun control had nothing to do with you low rate of mass public shootings, you culture did......you are too stupid to understand that dynamic.

Everyone gets checked and if a criminal buys a gun they can already be arrested and jailed.....the problem, you witless twit...is that our democrat party keeps letting violent gun offenders out of prison and jail........

 

[2aguy]

15 year old shot in the mouth....in a country with extreme gun control.....

And how did a 15 year old, the one suspected of being the shooter.....get a gun, in gun controlled Britain?

The teenager, 15, is fighting for his life in hospital after being gunned down on his first day back at Kesgrave High School, Ipswich, on Monday morning. A boy, also 15, was later arrested about five miles from the scene at 11am. According to sources, they had once been close friends, reported The Sun. One parent described hearing the shooting just before 8.30am. They said: ‘It was a very, very loud bang. Then there was a lot of shouting and screaming.’ -------
Another neighbour said their son also heard the sound of the blast followed by a ‘significant pause’ then a scream ‘maybe from someone who witnessed what happened’. He told the Mirror: ‘He was apparently shot in the mouth. Today would have been his first day back at school, so someone knew exactly where he would be. The boy who was shot comes from a good family.’


Read more: Terrified children heard 'very loud bang' before boy, 15, 'shot in face'

Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: Metro


Read more: Terrified children heard 'very loud bang' before boy, 15, 'shot in face'

Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: Metro

Terrified children heard 'very loud bang' before boy, 15, 'shot in face'

One parent said children took cover in her home after a woman was heard screaming 'run' in the streets.

metro.co.uk

How do you know that the weapon was illegal? An eyewitness stated the shooter looked as if they were carrying a brush or pole covered by clothes. That sounds like a rifle or shotgun, both of which are legally available in the UK. Perhaps his parents got careless, like many, many American parents and the kid got hold of the keys to the gun safe/cabinet?

It doesn't matter if it is legal...you dumb ass.....your gun control laws are supposed to stop criminals from using guns to commit crimes......they don't......what are the odds that those doing the shooting went through the rigorous training, and legal requirements to own that shotgun? You moron. And which gun control law in Britain kept them from walking into a school, a theater, a church?

Your criminal gangs will use guns when they want to shoot people ....and your gun control laws are not stopping them....handguns are becoming more and more convenient for your criminals....as they protect their drug trade.

This 15 year old boy was not a criminal until he pulled the trigger. Our hand gun ban was place to prevent mass shootings of innocent people and it has worked. Gun ownership is restricted so it's very difficult for whack jobs to go out and shoot up churches, schools, etc. in the UK, unlike in the US, where these events seem to occur every week.

How has your gun ban stopped mass shootings? Criminals and crazies still have access to guns, you doofus....the only reason you haven't had another mass shooting is the crazies haven't decided to do one........since they can obviously get guns in your country too.....

The Cumbria shooting.....12 people killed with a shotgun and bolt action rifle...you dumb ass.......

12 gauge double barreled shotgun,

.22 caliber bolt action rifle....

12 people killed........

Cumbria shootings - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You don't understand anything you are talking about......

One, not using hand guns. How many mass shootings have there been in the US since 1997?

And yours is a stupid question....I have just pointed out that with a .22 bolt action rifle and a double barreled shotgun your guy murdered 12 people and injured 11.....meaning that any one of your crazies has access to weapons that can be used to kill as many people as our mass shooters do with their access to handguns......they just haven't decided to do it yet.......

Our "crazies" have a hard time even getting near a gun, let alone using one. Your single UK example is of a normal person who snapped under the various pressures in his life who was previously of good enough character to be allowed to own firearms. Your "crazies" and others in the same circumstances, just have to visit a gun fair or dodgy gun dealer, buy a gun, and start shooting. 98 mass shootings an countless other "non-mass" shootings in the US since 1997. In the UK, ONE. You even have to trawl through our local papers like the Liverpool Echo to find the occasional gang related shooting incident, which according to your "mindset" you don't count in America as it's a "blue on blue" event.

Your criminals get guns easily.....they don't use them to commit murder......more guns are flooding Britain as your immigrant gangs use them to enforce their drug turf.......

10 mass public shootings in the U.S. in 2019...76 people killed...

In a country of over 330 million with 600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense....

76 people killed........

Population of Britain...66 million.....

You don't know what you are talking about.


And again...

A woman is being attacked and raped.....do you think it is better she is raped, tortured and murdered or that she is able to have and use a gun to stop it?

You have refused to answer that question...you are a coward who hoped that time would make me forget to ask that question.

If a woman stops a rape with a gun, and you had the chance to go back in time to take that gun away from her...would you take that gun away from her?

 

[2aguy]

15 year old shot in the mouth....in a country with extreme gun control.....

And how did a 15 year old, the one suspected of being the shooter.....get a gun, in gun controlled Britain?

The teenager, 15, is fighting for his life in hospital after being gunned down on his first day back at Kesgrave High School, Ipswich, on Monday morning. A boy, also 15, was later arrested about five miles from the scene at 11am. According to sources, they had once been close friends, reported The Sun. One parent described hearing the shooting just before 8.30am. They said: ‘It was a very, very loud bang. Then there was a lot of shouting and screaming.’ -------
Another neighbour said their son also heard the sound of the blast followed by a ‘significant pause’ then a scream ‘maybe from someone who witnessed what happened’. He told the Mirror: ‘He was apparently shot in the mouth. Today would have been his first day back at school, so someone knew exactly where he would be. The boy who was shot comes from a good family.’


Read more: Terrified children heard 'very loud bang' before boy, 15, 'shot in face'

Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: Metro


Read more: Terrified children heard 'very loud bang' before boy, 15, 'shot in face'

Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: Metro

Terrified children heard 'very loud bang' before boy, 15, 'shot in face'

One parent said children took cover in her home after a woman was heard screaming 'run' in the streets.

metro.co.uk

How do you know that the weapon was illegal? An eyewitness stated the shooter looked as if they were carrying a brush or pole covered by clothes. That sounds like a rifle or shotgun, both of which are legally available in the UK. Perhaps his parents got careless, like many, many American parents and the kid got hold of the keys to the gun safe/cabinet?

It doesn't matter if it is legal...you dumb ass.....your gun control laws are supposed to stop criminals from using guns to commit crimes......they don't......what are the odds that those doing the shooting went through the rigorous training, and legal requirements to own that shotgun? You moron. And which gun control law in Britain kept them from walking into a school, a theater, a church?

Your criminal gangs will use guns when they want to shoot people ....and your gun control laws are not stopping them....handguns are becoming more and more convenient for your criminals....as they protect their drug trade.

This 15 year old boy was not a criminal until he pulled the trigger. Our hand gun ban was place to prevent mass shootings of innocent people and it has worked. Gun ownership is restricted so it's very difficult for whack jobs to go out and shoot up churches, schools, etc. in the UK, unlike in the US, where these events seem to occur every week.

How has your gun ban stopped mass shootings? Criminals and crazies still have access to guns, you doofus....the only reason you haven't had another mass shooting is the crazies haven't decided to do one........since they can obviously get guns in your country too.....

The Cumbria shooting.....12 people killed with a shotgun and bolt action rifle...you dumb ass.......

12 gauge double barreled shotgun,

.22 caliber bolt action rifle....

12 people killed........

Cumbria shootings - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You don't understand anything you are talking about......

One, not using hand guns. How many mass shootings have there been in the US since 1997?

He killed 12 people, injured 11...with a double barreled shotgun and bolt action rifle....you doofus........that is more people killed than in each mass public shooting in the U.S. in 2019 except for one, dittos 2018, except for one, you guy killed more people in his shooting than our guys did in theirs and they had access to hand guns...you moron..........................so you have no point, you moron...you don't know what you are talking about....

US mass shootings, 1982–2023: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

The full data set from our in-depth investigation into mass shootings.

www.motherjones.com

So, there have been 118 mass shootings in the US since Mother Jones started to record them since 1982, 98 of these since we passed our handgun ban in 1996. Mass shootings in the UK over the same period? ONE. But gun contol apparently doesn't work...yeah, right, whatever.

Of course you also seem to avoid mentioning the non mass shootings in America that happen every day, because you allow anyone without an actual criminal record to be able to buy a gun; even criminals can buy guns in some places as no-one bothers with background checks.

Do you prefer that a woman suffer being raped or that she use a gun to stop the rape?

For the long list of women who used guns to stop rape, robbery and murder, if given the chance to go back in time, would you take their guns away from them? Before they stopped the attack?

 

[2aguy]

A good video for women who live in Britain.....

Seems you're still using the "sex sells" trope.

Nope....not at all....I am showing that normal people can own and use guns safely and effectively, especially women....who are uniquely vulnerable to violent criminals.

You prefer that women remain easy victims of rape, robbery and murder.......

 

[2aguy]

15 year old shot in the mouth....in a country with extreme gun control.....

And how did a 15 year old, the one suspected of being the shooter.....get a gun, in gun controlled Britain?

The teenager, 15, is fighting for his life in hospital after being gunned down on his first day back at Kesgrave High School, Ipswich, on Monday morning. A boy, also 15, was later arrested about five miles from the scene at 11am. According to sources, they had once been close friends, reported The Sun. One parent described hearing the shooting just before 8.30am. They said: ‘It was a very, very loud bang. Then there was a lot of shouting and screaming.’ -------
Another neighbour said their son also heard the sound of the blast followed by a ‘significant pause’ then a scream ‘maybe from someone who witnessed what happened’. He told the Mirror: ‘He was apparently shot in the mouth. Today would have been his first day back at school, so someone knew exactly where he would be. The boy who was shot comes from a good family.’


Read more: Terrified children heard 'very loud bang' before boy, 15, 'shot in face'

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Read more: Terrified children heard 'very loud bang' before boy, 15, 'shot in face'

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Terrified children heard 'very loud bang' before boy, 15, 'shot in face'

One parent said children took cover in her home after a woman was heard screaming 'run' in the streets.

metro.co.uk

How do you know that the weapon was illegal? An eyewitness stated the shooter looked as if they were carrying a brush or pole covered by clothes. That sounds like a rifle or shotgun, both of which are legally available in the UK. Perhaps his parents got careless, like many, many American parents and the kid got hold of the keys to the gun safe/cabinet?

It doesn't matter if it is legal...you dumb ass.....your gun control laws are supposed to stop criminals from using guns to commit crimes......they don't......what are the odds that those doing the shooting went through the rigorous training, and legal requirements to own that shotgun? You moron. And which gun control law in Britain kept them from walking into a school, a theater, a church?

Your criminal gangs will use guns when they want to shoot people ....and your gun control laws are not stopping them....handguns are becoming more and more convenient for your criminals....as they protect their drug trade.

This 15 year old boy was not a criminal until he pulled the trigger. Our hand gun ban was place to prevent mass shootings of innocent people and it has worked. Gun ownership is restricted so it's very difficult for whack jobs to go out and shoot up churches, schools, etc. in the UK, unlike in the US, where these events seem to occur every week.

How has your gun ban stopped mass shootings? Criminals and crazies still have access to guns, you doofus....the only reason you haven't had another mass shooting is the crazies haven't decided to do one........since they can obviously get guns in your country too.....

The Cumbria shooting.....12 people killed with a shotgun and bolt action rifle...you dumb ass.......

12 gauge double barreled shotgun,

.22 caliber bolt action rifle....

12 people killed........

Cumbria shootings - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You don't understand anything you are talking about......

One, not using hand guns. How many mass shootings have there been in the US since 1997?

And yours is a stupid question....I have just pointed out that with a .22 bolt action rifle and a double barreled shotgun your guy murdered 12 people and injured 11.....meaning that any one of your crazies has access to weapons that can be used to kill as many people as our mass shooters do with their access to handguns......they just haven't decided to do it yet.......

Our "crazies" have a hard time even getting near a gun, let alone using one. Your single UK example is of a normal person who snapped under the various pressures in his life who was previously of good enough character to be allowed to own firearms. Your "crazies" and others in the same circumstances, just have to visit a gun fair or dodgy gun dealer, buy a gun, and start shooting. 98 mass shootings an countless other "non-mass" shootings in the US since 1997. In the UK, ONE. You even have to trawl through our local papers like the Liverpool Echo to find the occasional gang related shooting incident, which according to your "mindset" you don't count in America as it's a "blue on blue" event.

Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop violent rapes, robberies and murders......

vs. 76 people killed in mass public shootings....

In France, a muslim terrorist used a truck to murder 87 people and injure 434.......more than any mass public shooting with any type of gun......

Your arguments lack facts, truth and reality......

Also....in Europe, you guys took guns away from your peoples after World War 1......telling them it would make them safer..........

You then allowed the German socialists to murder 12 million unarmed, men, women and children....

If you add up all of our gun deaths from murder since 1939....even using the 2018 number....10,235 as the yearly average you get 818,000 dead. Of those, 70-80% of those murdered are criminals....murdered by other criminals in criminal acts and the lifestyle....of the rest, the majority of the victims are friends and family, caught up in the criminals lifestyle and shot as a result......

818,000 dead vs 12,000,000 in Europe....

You have no argument that is rational....nothing you say can defend taking guns away from normal people.....normal people who save lives with their guns 1,100,000 times a year in this country....................

 

[Vagabond63]

Law abiding people carrying guns for self defense does not increase the murder rate...something Britains should learn....

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Courtesy Crime Prevention Research Center

John Lott has published his Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States: 2020 and there’s lots of good news in it.
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Other goods news is that chart above. It shows the murder rate has declined as the CCW rate increases.

But the trend is even more noticeable, to the point where one cannot honestly deny it.

Data Reveals Murders and Violent Crime Decrease as More People Carry Guns - The Truth About Guns

&#9664Previous Post Next Post▶ John Lott has published his Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States: 2020 and there’s lots of good news in it. The number of concealed handgun permits has soared to over 19.48 million – a 34% increase over 2016. Seventeen states no longer provide...

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

Crime prevention Research Centre? Ah, the John Lott propaganda factory, making things up again, got it.

You can't dispute his research...so you lie about him. You are a weak twit.

You call it "research" the rest of academia just roll their collective eyes and call it what is, "make believe, gun nut fantasies" Both Lott and Gleck are basically fringe conspiracy theorists masquerading as "researchers". They have been thoroughly debunked time after time, so there's no need for me to comment further.

 

[Vagabond63]

And before the ban in Britain you averaged just one every 10 years...you had guns, you didn't have mass public shootings in large numbers.....gun control had nothing to do with you low rate of mass public shootings, you culture did......you are too stupid to understand that dynamic.

Exactly, your "culture" inherently promotes gun violence, so you need proper gun control in the form of registration, licencing, and most importantly, full training in firearms use, before any of you get anywhere near a gun.

 

[Vagabond63]

A woman is being attacked and raped.....do you think it is better she is raped, tortured and murdered or that she is able to have and use a gun to stop it?

You have refused to answer that question...you are a coward who hoped that time would make me forget to ask that question.

If a woman stops a rape with a gun, and you had the chance to go back in time to take that gun away from her...would you take that gun away from her?

Firstly you appear to have an unhealy obsession with rape, maybe you should seek counselling.
Secondly, your question is meaningless. Exactly how many women have used firearms in such a situation? Got a link to the relevant statistics that show women in America regularly use guns to protect themselves?

Your criminals get guns easily.....they don't use them to commit murder......more guns are flooding Britain as your immigrant gangs use them to enforce their drug turf.......

Not as easily as your criminals, who just need to walk into a gun shop or go to a gun fair in States that don't do any form of checking. Technically your criminals have a right to bear arms, like everyone else, it seems. I've never seen anything in you 2nd ammendment that says, ..."except criminals". But hey, why bother to buy guns when you can so easily steal them. Gun Theft in the United States: A State-by-State Analysis - Center for American Progress