Getting desperate to defend your Jane Fonda act like the rest of the GOP shills, eh?
If you want to quote, verbatim for me, someone that has written. .
"I support the actions of what Hamas did." Feel free.
OTH, I do understand, that the actions of Hamas, and the protests in our nation, in several cities, against what Israel is doing in response to those actions, can be construed as. . . "in support of Hamas."
I listen to, and view all sides of this controversy. You can use your straw-men arguments, and paint my position on this, however you like, but It is a false argument.
I understand full well, that if Israel had wanted to do a complete genocide on the Palis, they could have long before now. Likewise, I understand, that if Hamas had the same power and military capabilities that Israel has, they would not think twice about doing precisely that to the Jewish population.
I also understand, that the political, cultural and intellectual elites in this nation, do seem to have a double standard. IN all of these protests, in all of these big cities and on these campuses, if there were big "anti-BLM," protests, the MSM and corporate culture, would not tolerate it. . .and yet? Here we are, aren't we?
You do not know me, so you have no right to put upon me what you think I believe or feel. . . capisce?
These guys come from the right, but they have many many contacts with the left. They approach the issue from a very rational, non-hyperbolic and sane way. . . . You would do well to listen. (I have booked marked it to the relevant part of the conversation. . . . if you want to learn.)
Censorship at TED & the Israel-Hamas War | Glenn Loury, John McWhorter & Coleman Hughes
So Hamas bears no responsibility for putting their own people in harm's way via their direct actions? Actions that were cheered by the very same people you call 'innocent'.
That's the thing, Hamas is the one that bears ALL the responsibility. Are the women, children and elderly really cheering them on? I have seen one shaky poll which might indicate that the adults do. A poll that has less than transparent metrics and methodology. I know a lot of conservatives that would see such a poll about Trump and MAGA supporters, who would see a poll with similarly released metrics and methodology, and would reject it outright for its opaqueness.
I am not saying you are wrong, but I have no evidence of the statement;
Actions that were cheered by the very same people you call 'innocent'.
The last time the folks in Gaza had an election, was a long, long time ago. The only inference I believe we can draw? Is that the Palestinians are a backward culture, (from our Pov,) and that do not share our values.
IMO? The members on the left, seem to have lost the plot here. They might believe that just because there is some responsibility to give the Palestinians some sovereignty, civil rights and civil liberties over their own destiny, according to international law, that there is cause to excuse this behavior? There is, of course, no excuse.
This does not however, equate to support for terrorism.
No, I very well could be ignorant here. Someone might have written. . .
"Hamas is justified," by one of our forum members. I admit, I might have missed it. I have found the entire site sort of boring of late. What goes over there, is just not that important to America IMO. We have folks, poor, lower class, middle class, that are barely getting by due to the economy, thousands of illegals flooding the border, hundreds of young people are dying of fentanyl overdoses, etc.
Hell, even the upper middle class are finding their lifestyles and life is starting to be affected. Not sure what this has to do with them. . .
I just don't see this as important to our national interests. . . unless Israel really can't take care of itself. Do you doubt that they can? I don't.
So it really seems to me, that the establishment media, THE MSM is purposely distracting us, and focusing on this, to keep us from paying attention to what is important to our own people. But that is just my own take.
