Settlers Start Over 50 Fires In West Bank

[Coyote]

you are not being realistic Coyote-----people die in
WAR----battles kill------tragically
Statiing that sad fact is not the same as
DANCING on it

as far as I am concerned-----all of the deaths in war
are tragic ------including the deaths of the soldiers
and ---war is war and terrorism is terrorism---

the slitting of a baby's throat is always terrorism---
a passby stabbing is always terrorism too even
if the victim is wearing a uniform -----. except for
those occassions when it an act of psychotic

Civilians deliberately torching property of other civilians, and deliberately attacking school bus' full of children IS terrorism.

 

[sealadaigh]

It absolutely amazes me.

Murder should be condemned and instead of condemning it, some folks are excusing it. I agree - a rush to judgement ahead of evidence isn't good but the evidence is NOT looking promising for the stabber: Palestinian family says son who stabbed Israeli did his duty | Reuters

On the other hand, the same people who condemn the stabbing can not find it in themselves to condemn the violence now being turned on INNOCENT civilians who happen to be Palestinians. Worse, they excuse it.

Did you folks support the riots following Rodney King then? Was it better to "let it all out" then bottle it up? Did those people who's property got destroyed or who got injured not matter because it's just property and injury?

We're all supposed to understand the "anger" and pass it off as letting off steam?

and that damning evidence was not available when i said we should not rush to judgement.

i have absolutely no trouble at all with hating. i can do it very well and it is a lot easier than trying to objectively consider facts and situations. all i have to do is look at a skin colour or where a person worships or what their last name is.

perhaps, i shall try it.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

It absolutely amazes me.

Murder should be condemned and instead of condemning it, some folks are excusing it. I agree - a rush to judgement ahead of evidence isn't good but the evidence is NOT looking promising for the stabber: Palestinian family says son who stabbed Israeli did his duty | Reuters

On the other hand, the same people who condemn the stabbing can not find it in themselves to condemn the violence now being turned on INNOCENT civilians who happen to be Palestinians. Worse, they excuse it.

Did you folks support the riots following Rodney King then? Was it better to "let it all out" then bottle it up? Did those people who's property got destroyed or who got injured not matter because it's just property and injury?

We're all supposed to understand the "anger" and pass it off as letting off steam?

and that damning evidence was not available when i said we should not rush to judgement.

i have absolutely no trouble at all with hating. i can do it very well and it is a lot easier than trying to objectively consider facts and situations. all i have to do is look at a skin colour or where a person worships or what their last name is.

perhaps, i shall try it.

Well, it is not fair to judge the man by what his family says. What I have read is they will not even allow the man to see an attorney.

 

[irosie91]

what man? the murderer?

 

[sealadaigh]

It absolutely amazes me.

Murder should be condemned and instead of condemning it, some folks are excusing it. I agree - a rush to judgement ahead of evidence isn't good but the evidence is NOT looking promising for the stabber: Palestinian family says son who stabbed Israeli did his duty | Reuters

On the other hand, the same people who condemn the stabbing can not find it in themselves to condemn the violence now being turned on INNOCENT civilians who happen to be Palestinians. Worse, they excuse it.

Did you folks support the riots following Rodney King then? Was it better to "let it all out" then bottle it up? Did those people who's property got destroyed or who got injured not matter because it's just property and injury?

We're all supposed to understand the "anger" and pass it off as letting off steam?

and that damning evidence was not available when i said we should not rush to judgement.

i have absolutely no trouble at all with hating. i can do it very well and it is a lot easier than trying to objectively consider facts and situations. all i have to do is look at a skin colour or where a person worships or what their last name is.

perhaps, i shall try it.

Well, it is not fair to judge the man by what his family says. What I have read is they will not even allow the man to see an attorney.

i thought the evidence was in a note he let. maybe i read it wrong. if it is merely his family calling him a hero, than you are absolutely right.

 

[Coyote]

It absolutely amazes me.

Murder should be condemned and instead of condemning it, some folks are excusing it. I agree - a rush to judgement ahead of evidence isn't good but the evidence is NOT looking promising for the stabber: Palestinian family says son who stabbed Israeli did his duty | Reuters

On the other hand, the same people who condemn the stabbing can not find it in themselves to condemn the violence now being turned on INNOCENT civilians who happen to be Palestinians. Worse, they excuse it.

Did you folks support the riots following Rodney King then? Was it better to "let it all out" then bottle it up? Did those people who's property got destroyed or who got injured not matter because it's just property and injury?

We're all supposed to understand the "anger" and pass it off as letting off steam?

and that damning evidence was not available when i said we should not rush to judgement.

I know - I wasn't referring to you.

i have absolutely no trouble at all with hating. i can do it very well and it is a lot easier than trying to objectively consider facts and situations. all i have to do is look at a skin colour or where a person worships or what their last name is.

perhaps, i shall try it.

Hate is always easier - it doesn't require much effort or any real thought - just reaction. I don't recommend it....causes ulcers to the soul.

 

[Coyote]

and that damning evidence was not available when i said we should not rush to judgement.

i have absolutely no trouble at all with hating. i can do it very well and it is a lot easier than trying to objectively consider facts and situations. all i have to do is look at a skin colour or where a person worships or what their last name is.

perhaps, i shall try it.

Well, it is not fair to judge the man by what his family says. What I have read is they will not even allow the man to see an attorney.

i thought the evidence was in a note he let. maybe i read it wrong. if it is merely his family calling him a hero, than you are absolutely right.

According to the Reuters article he sent a text before he did it. In this particular case I don't think there is much doubt he did it. But what is sad is the overall unjust and hopeless situation, which is never addressed by Israel.

From the article:

The complexities:

The slaying of 31-year-old Eviatar Borovsky was the first time an Israeli had been killed by a Palestinian in the West Bank since 2011, when seven Israelis died, including a family of two settlers and their three young children all knifed to death.

Nine Palestinians have been shot and killed by Israeli soldiers this year, mostly during clashes with protesters.

While Salam's deed may bring esteem to his family among some Palestinians, it may not erase an old taint in this run-down village - his brother Abdulfattah's conviction by Palestinian authorities of spying for Israel.

Israeli security forces say they are investigating whether Salam's attack was meant to clear the family name, something the family denies. Palestinian society reviles suspected spies and families seldom live down the shame of being linked to one.

The killing appears to encapsulate the contradictions of Palestinian politics in the West Bank - torn between working with a sworn enemy and lashing out violently against it.

Israel relies on a network of Palestinian informants to monitor and arrest suspected militants, and their work has contributed to the years of calm for Israel in the West Bank.

The Western-backed Palestinian Authority itself passes intelligence to Israel and has renounced violence against it.

The killer:

"He had no job lately and he was talking more and more about the martyrdom of the prisoners in Israeli jail. He felt deeply about their suffering, but he seemed normal," he said.

Two Palestinian prisoners died in Israeli custody this year. Palestinians say one was tortured to death and the other was denied proper cancer treatment. Israel denies these allegations.

The settlers:

Israeli settlers care little about the attacker's motives in killing Borovsky, who was a father of five. They have demanded more settlement building on land Palestinians want for a future state, and won a sympathetic hearing from the government.

"The people of Israel must continue to redeem all parts of the land of Israel," Housing Minister Uri Ariel said at Borovsky's funeral.

On Wednesday, settlers erected a new makeshift settlement on a hilltop above where Borovsky was killed.

Settlers from his home in Yitzhar, known among Palestinians for their militancy, set fire to fields and threw stones on the day of the attack.

 

[Coyote]

Rock thrown into a bus carrying Palestinian school children: this is better than keeping anger "bottled in" apparently.

The driver was injured and evacuated to a hospital.

From: Israeli settlers turn violent in West Bank after deadly attack - Xinhua | English.news.cn

Following the murder of a settler from Yitzhar on Tuesday, dozens of Israeli settlers from the region attacked several Palestinian villages. They threw stones at Palestinians, at cars and buses, smashed windows and burned houses. These videos, taken by B’Tselem photographers from the villages Asira al-Qibliya and Urif, show how IDF forces allow the riots against the Palestinian farmers to take place. In several cases the soldiers talk to the rioters or try to shove them away. In others, they simply provide escorts for them as they throw stones or storm the villages.

The settlers get rewarded for this with new settlements.

 

[irosie91]

Isa respecters have ASSERTED incessantly that rock
throwing is harmless. When did that policy get changed?
People did not get injured by a thrown rock according to the
ideology of ISA ------sherri will explain-----in fact ---claiming
so is a lie and arresting people or even trying to stop them with
standard riot quelling methods like tear gas is a
CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY

 

[Lipush]

The story itself is true, guys. In Israeli sites we have seen those fires as a result of Settlers protesting the brutal killing of the righteous Eviatar Borovsky. few have been arrested by the police.

We understand their anger but hope things won't get out of control.

Wish this killer who stabbed him will die of pain.!

how exactly was this eviatar borovsky "righteous". what exactly did he do that was righteous.

i suppose all murders are brutal in some ways maybe, but what makes this one unique enough that it deserves to be designated as such. he was stabbed. i looked up the word "brutal" and to say this is aa brutal murder is a bit over blown, don't you think?

the settler had a hand gun. did he provoke the attack?

No he did not.

Eviatar was a great personality. he worked for a theater donating money for children at risk, and tried in the meantime to cover and overcome the gap between secular and religious Jews in Israel. he treated his wife with great respect and love, and his children were everything to him! he was modest and polite and his Rabbi spoke nothing but praises on him at all times.

Yes, he was a wonderful righteous.!

 

[Lipush]

The story itself is true, guys. In Israeli sites we have seen those fires as a result of Settlers protesting the brutal killing of the righteous Eviatar Borovsky. few have been arrested by the police.

We understand their anger but hope things won't get out of control.

Wish this killer who stabbed him will die of pain.!

Hundreds of olive and almond trees were damaged and large areas of cultivated crops were destroyed, the report said.Settlers attacked Palestinians and their property in the Nablus and Tulkarem areas on Tuesday, following the fatal stabbing of a settler earlier in the day.Settlers attacked a mosque and burned tires at junctions in Nablus. They also hurled stones at Palestinian cars, including two buses holding schoolgirls, injuring over 20 people.Four Palestinians were injured and taken to the Rafedia Hospital in Nablus for treatment

I would say it's already Out of Control

If their anger is understandable, then is the anger of the Palestinian who stabbed the settler also understandable? Come on....

Seriously - these people are all taking out "their anger" on innocent people and destroying their livelihood and unfortunately - with "few arrests" - I doubt there will be much punishment. At least the man who murdered the settler will face justice. These settler animals likely won't.

He will face justice??? Now that's funny!! because last time I checked, this justice, so called, is the same one who lead him to walk free and stabbing an innocent man!

And later to be taken to an Israeli hospital, being cared by our doctors, our salaries, and our taxes, too!

some justice, is that!

As for the actions of the settlers, not justifying it, but when the Fatah does those kind of things, they should expect response.

Surely no one expected the settlers ti sit quietly? they know how things work with them, by now!

 

[Lipush]

Rock thrown into a bus carrying Palestinian school children: this is better than keeping anger "bottled in" apparently.

The driver was injured and evacuated to a hospital.

From: Israeli settlers turn violent in West Bank after deadly attack - Xinhua | English.news.cn

Following the murder of a settler from Yitzhar on Tuesday, dozens of Israeli settlers from the region attacked several Palestinian villages. They threw stones at Palestinians, at cars and buses, smashed windows and burned houses. These videos, taken by B’Tselem photographers from the villages Asira al-Qibliya and Urif, show how IDF forces allow the riots against the Palestinian farmers to take place. In several cases the soldiers talk to the rioters or try to shove them away. In others, they simply provide escorts for them as they throw stones or storm the villages.

The settlers get rewarded for this with new settlements.

Each settler which loses his life, the answer should be a new settlement named after him. No need for stoning, no need for fire or property ruining.

Eviatar Borovsky killed by Palestinian? Fine. tomorrow, God willing, the settlement of Eviatar will rise. How's that for revenge? the best kind.

Like Netanyahu told Tamar Fogel- "They kill, we built". That should be the answer.

Because stoning a Palestinian girls bus unacceptable, and so does ruining fields.

Settlements will forever remind us of the people we have lost. will root life in place of the blood spilled.

That should be the answer!

 

[irosie91]

good idea Lipush

 

[Coyote]

Rock thrown into a bus carrying Palestinian school children: this is better than keeping anger "bottled in" apparently.

The driver was injured and evacuated to a hospital.

From: Israeli settlers turn violent in West Bank after deadly attack - Xinhua | English.news.cn

Following the murder of a settler from Yitzhar on Tuesday, dozens of Israeli settlers from the region attacked several Palestinian villages. They threw stones at Palestinians, at cars and buses, smashed windows and burned houses. These videos, taken by B’Tselem photographers from the villages Asira al-Qibliya and Urif, show how IDF forces allow the riots against the Palestinian farmers to take place. In several cases the soldiers talk to the rioters or try to shove them away. In others, they simply provide escorts for them as they throw stones or storm the villages.

The settlers get rewarded for this with new settlements.

Each settler which loses his life, the answer should be a new settlement named after him. No need for stoning, no need for fire or property ruining.

Eviatar Borovsky killed by Palestinian? Fine. tomorrow, God willing, the settlement of Eviatar will rise. How's that for revenge? the best kind.

Like Netanyahu told Tamar Fogel- "They kill, we built". That should be the answer.

Because stoning a Palestinian girls bus unacceptable, and so does ruining fields.

Settlements will forever remind us of the people we have lost. will root life in place of the blood spilled.

That should be the answer!

Shall we have a new Palestinian settlement then, for every Palestinian who is killed?

 

[Coyote]

The story itself is true, guys. In Israeli sites we have seen those fires as a result of Settlers protesting the brutal killing of the righteous Eviatar Borovsky. few have been arrested by the police.

We understand their anger but hope things won't get out of control.

Wish this killer who stabbed him will die of pain.!

Hundreds of olive and almond trees were damaged and large areas of cultivated crops were destroyed, the report said.Settlers attacked Palestinians and their property in the Nablus and Tulkarem areas on Tuesday, following the fatal stabbing of a settler earlier in the day.Settlers attacked a mosque and burned tires at junctions in Nablus. They also hurled stones at Palestinian cars, including two buses holding schoolgirls, injuring over 20 people.Four Palestinians were injured and taken to the Rafedia Hospital in Nablus for treatment

I would say it's already Out of Control

If their anger is understandable, then is the anger of the Palestinian who stabbed the settler also understandable? Come on....

Seriously - these people are all taking out "their anger" on innocent people and destroying their livelihood and unfortunately - with "few arrests" - I doubt there will be much punishment. At least the man who murdered the settler will face justice. These settler animals likely won't.

He will face justice??? Now that's funny!! because last time I checked, this justice, so called, is the same one who lead him to walk free and stabbing an innocent man!

And later to be taken to an Israeli hospital, being cared by our doctors, our salaries, and our taxes, too!

some justice, is that!

As for the actions of the settlers, not justifying it, but when the Fatah does those kind of things, they should expect response.

Surely no one expected the settlers ti sit quietly? they know how things work with them, by now!

You expect the Palestinians to sit quietly.

 

[irosie91]

It seems to me that prisoner releases will lead to INCREASED lawlessness
on BOTH SIDES ------I did not like the idea from the start----it is a vicious
cycle ----like paying a black mailer-----it never ends----just encourages
more black mail and that is accompanied by lots of resentment.

I dread even the remote possbility of the USA agreeing to release
Shaykh Abdel Rahman from jail------or the spread of the sociopathic
hungerkunstler program to the USA for the sake of the islamic terrorists
now jailed

The only answer to the "palestinian" prisoner problem that I can think
of----is release ALL arab muslims from israeli jails and hospitals ---to
gaza and seal the border. The resources saved by not having to feed
and care for them ----can be used for security purposes. The issue of
Gaza being a small area is silly-----they can have all of the SINAI

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Hundreds of olive and almond trees were damaged and large areas of cultivated crops were destroyed, the report said.Settlers attacked Palestinians and their property in the Nablus and Tulkarem areas on Tuesday, following the fatal stabbing of a settler earlier in the day.Settlers attacked a mosque and burned tires at junctions in Nablus. They also hurled stones at Palestinian cars, including two buses holding schoolgirls, injuring over 20 people.Four Palestinians were injured and taken to the Rafedia Hospital in Nablus for treatment

I would say it's already Out of Control

If their anger is understandable, then is the anger of the Palestinian who stabbed the settler also understandable? Come on....

Seriously - these people are all taking out "their anger" on innocent people and destroying their livelihood and unfortunately - with "few arrests" - I doubt there will be much punishment. At least the man who murdered the settler will face justice. These settler animals likely won't.

He will face justice??? Now that's funny!! because last time I checked, this justice, so called, is the same one who lead him to walk free and stabbing an innocent man!

And later to be taken to an Israeli hospital, being cared by our doctors, our salaries, and our taxes, too!

some justice, is that!

As for the actions of the settlers, not justifying it, but when the Fatah does those kind of things, they should expect response.

Surely no one expected the settlers ti sit quietly? they know how things work with them, by now!

You expect the Palestinians to sit quietly.

To have the moderater of a debate continuously take one side, seems to give only one side authority. Can we at least add on a pro-Israeli moderater also?

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

SO, I GUESS THAT MEANS THE PALESTINIANS SHOULD TAKE MORE PRISONERS????????? They are way behind Israel. Should they take 4900 of their enemy captive like Israel has?

 

[irosie91]

SO, I GUESS THAT MEANS THE PALESTINIANS SHOULD TAKE MORE PRISONERS????????? They are way behind Israel. Should they take 4900 of their enemy captive like Israel has?

they could try to start kidnapping and mutilating again-----it is
the isa-respecting MO --- based on history---chances are
they will continue doing what they have done for centuries.
Lawyers do know that the best predictor of future behavior
is past behavior-----which is another reason why islamo-nazi-
isa-repecting people should not be released to roam free
among civilized persons------they should all be released to
Gaza----of course civilized Gazans should be free to escape them to
sinai---or any other place in which their own bretheren will
be happy to receive them ------the bad news is that as far as I
know-----egyptians are not a good choice. Egyptians all but
SPIT ----when they say "BALESTINIAN"

there are nice little books on criminology in law libraries---
kinds like baby psych 101 for "poets" -----even you could
probably read one of those.--------you could learn something.
I once spoke to a court clerk-----who should have ---but did not
seem to know the usual and expected behavior of psycho-paths
----

 

[Coyote]

He will face justice??? Now that's funny!! because last time I checked, this justice, so called, is the same one who lead him to walk free and stabbing an innocent man!

And later to be taken to an Israeli hospital, being cared by our doctors, our salaries, and our taxes, too!

some justice, is that!

As for the actions of the settlers, not justifying it, but when the Fatah does those kind of things, they should expect response.

Surely no one expected the settlers ti sit quietly? they know how things work with them, by now!

You expect the Palestinians to sit quietly.

To have the moderater of a debate continuously take one side, seems to give only one side authority. Can we at least add on a pro-Israeli moderater also?

Moderators represent a wide spectrum of personal views and we all moderate in all parts of the board - not just one. We don't "moderate" debates in the sense you think - we just make sure the rules are followed. We try to moderate impersonally - however, if you feel any moderator decision is wrong you are free to pm another moderator or administrator and complain that has always been an option.

On another note, when it comes to expressing our views and posting - we post like any other member and there is no requirement to be "impartial" and I don't know why you would expect that. We all have our views.