Send Fighter Jets To The Ukraine.

[TheGreatSatan]

If you don't support sending fighter jets to Ukraine then you don't support Ukraine.

If you make excuses for democrats not sending fighters jets to Ukraine then you don't support Ukraine.

 

[Dagosa]

During the Korean War, both China and Russia sent fighter jets to North Korea. During the Vietnamese War, both China and Russia sent fighter jets to North Vietnam. And at least in North Korea, it was Russian pilots who were flying them! Just imagine how the Russians would howl if we not only sent fighter jets to the Ukraine, but had them piloted by American fighter pilots. All we would have to do is drop leaflets on Moscow telling them that in the Korean and Vietnamese wars, they did it to us. So now we are doing it to defacto General Secretary Putin.

You know little about modern day Jet fighters i see. The fifth gen fighters of the Russians can’t fly much over Urkraine for fear of being shot down by the air defenses we sent. What makes you think a fourth gen fighter woukd fare any better. Not only that, but the cost is astronomical and woukd take away from everything else. It needs to be a NATO supported effort.

 

[Dagosa]

If you don't support sending fighter jets to Ukraine then you don't support Ukraine.

If you make excuses for democrats not sending fighters jets to Ukraine then you don't support Ukraine.

You know even less about jet fighters.

 

[Lastamender]

Warmonger? Either supporting the Ukraine is right or it is wrong. Which do you think it is.

It is wrong. It does nothing to benefit America. It is doing everything to tear it down.

 

[TheGreatSatan]

You know even less about jet fighters.

I know if Ukraine had more fighter jets early on, a lot more Ukrainians would be alive today.

 

[tahuyaman]

Warmonger? Either supporting the Ukraine is right or it is wrong. Which do you think it is.

We should not go to war with Russia over Ukraine.

 

[tahuyaman]

I know if Ukraine had more fighter jets early on, a lot more Ukrainians would be alive today.

I don’t know about that. I do know a lot more Ukrainians would be alive today if we were not piece mealing them with arms and ammunition. This war would have ended months ago.

 

[TheGreatSatan]

I don’t know about that. I do know a lot more Ukrainians would be alive today if we were not piece mealing them with arms and ammunition. This war would have ended months ago.

You mean like fighter jets?

Are you mad democrats denied Ukraine jets or do you make excuses for them doing it?

 

[JohnDB]

Ukraine doesn't need jet fighters or bombers....

The skies above Ukraine are so watched and monitored that the second one took off from a runway it becomes an instant target.

As it is now, the artillery rounds are "shoot and scoot" before they become destroyed by incoming rounds. They can source where artillery rounds are shot from. Ukraine gets off two or possibly 3 rounds before they have to pack up the Himars or howitzers and move.

Mortars are easier to shoot and scoot and hide before they can be found.

Jets require a year of training to be even marginally competent and are hugely expensive. Even Russia isn't sending in jets anymore and helicopters are used sparingly because they have lost too many of them to Ukranians shooting them down.

Drones are much cheaper and nobody loses a skilled pilot. Same damages can be done with these as with a jet. And some drones (reconnaissance) are the same size as your hand.

Jets are a waste of money and time. Keep sending the drones. Russia can't stand them now...and they have been highly effective on the battlefield.

 

[Dagosa]

I know if Ukraine had more fighter jets early on, a lot more Ukrainians would be alive today.

Hilarious. A 4 th gen fighter jet needs more support, cost as much as 20 plus howitzers and can be shot with a shoulder fired missile. You’re just complaining cause it’s a dem president. You were fine with Trump delaying air defense systems in order to black mail Ukraine into faking dirt on Hunter. Hypocrite BS artist.

 

[whitehall]

How did Korea and Vietnam work out?

 

[Flash]

It is a personal thing but I actually like the idea of any payback to the Russkies for what they did to support the NVA in Vietnam.

Turnabout is fair play.

 

[Dagosa]

Ukraine doesn't need jet fighters or bombers....

The skies above Ukraine are so watched and monitored that the second one took off from a runway it becomes an instant target.

As it is now, the artillery rounds are "shoot and scoot" before they become destroyed by incoming rounds. They can source where artillery rounds are shot from. Ukraine gets off two or possibly 3 rounds before they have to pack up the Himars or howitzers and move.

Mortars are easier to shoot and scoot and hide before they can be found.

Jets require a year of training to be even marginally competent and are hugely expensive. Even Russia isn't sending in jets anymore and helicopters are used sparingly because they have lost too many of them to Ukranians shooting them down.

Drones are much cheaper and nobody loses a skilled pilot. Same damages can be done with these as with a jet. And some drones (reconnaissance) are the same size as your hand.

Jets are a waste of money and time. Keep sending the drones. Russia can't stand them now...and they have been highly effective on the battlefield.

Exactly…
Oh, they would be great to have, but Russia can’t even fly it’s 5th gen fighters easily over Ukraine now and don’t even have air superiority. 4th gens don’t stand a chance when they cost as much as 40-80 million a piece depending upon the model. And the less expensive, the more vulnerable they are. The battle field is fluid. If it looks like Russia will gain air superiority , they‘ll deal with it then.

Republicans would be the first to whine if those gifted 80 million dollar planes start getting chewed up.

 

[Dagosa]

How did Korea and Vietnam work out?

Let’s look at it….The US was treaty bound to protect So Korea and and So Vietnam. Guess what, the idea was not to overrun No Korea and No Vietnam. The south of each are both functioning democracies NOW. What ever we did, worked

 

[B. Kidd]

I'm coming to the conclusion that too many Americans have been "distanced" from the horrors of war. We used to see combat photojournalism every night on the news during the 1970's. Not much of that these days.. Remember the iconic images of an officer shooting a guy in the head, or the naked child running through the street as her fleshed burned? Hell, those were done with film cameras! It seems now the focus is on the "hero" Zelenski in his stupid costume.

Yupp!
It's being sanitized for American consumption when in fact in one year it's been brutal and horrific with a high combat death and casualty toll!!

 

[Dagosa]

Yupp!
It's being sanitized for American consumption when in fact in one year it's been brutal and horrific with a high combat death and casualty toll!!

Yup, that’s why we’re funding a proxy war so there are fewer Americans involved if NATO is directly invaded. We have troops in these countries.

 

[B. Kidd]

Proxy war is for punks.
It's like the guy in Jr. High who instigates fights but won't actually fight himself.

 

[TheGreatSatan]

Hilarious. A 4 th gen fighter jet needs more support, cost as much as 20 plus howitzers and can be shot with a shoulder fired missile. You’re just complaining cause it’s a dem president. You were fine with Trump delaying air defense systems in order to black mail Ukraine into faking dirt on Hunter. Hypocrite BS artist.

If you deny Ukraine the jets they are asking for, then you don't support Ukraine.

It's really that simple.

Democrats be like... we'll tell Ukraine what they need. Putin says no jets, so they get no jets.

 

[Vastator]

I don’t know about that. I do know a lot more Ukrainians would be alive today if we were not piece mealing them with arms and ammunition. This war would have ended months ago.

It would have ended weeks into it had we sent nothing...

 

[DigitalDrifter]

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