Send Fighter Jets To The Ukraine.

[dimensional]

It is wrong. It does nothing to benefit America. It is doing everything to tear it down.

Mainly, it is about keeping Ukrainian civilians from being killed. That is benefit enough to America for me.

 

[dimensional]

We should not go to war with Russia over Ukraine.

Nice sophistry. But it isn't about going to war with Russia. It's about giving the Ukrainians the means to take back what was taken from them. Or at the very least, defend themselves.

 

[dimensional]

Ukraine doesn't need jet fighters or bombers....

The skies above Ukraine are so watched and monitored that the second one took off from a runway it becomes an instant target.

As it is now, the artillery rounds are "shoot and scoot" before they become destroyed by incoming rounds. They can source where artillery rounds are shot from. Ukraine gets off two or possibly 3 rounds before they have to pack up the Himars or howitzers and move.

Mortars are easier to shoot and scoot and hide before they can be found.

Jets require a year of training to be even marginally competent and are hugely expensive. Even Russia isn't sending in jets anymore and helicopters are used sparingly because they have lost too many of them to Ukranians shooting them down.

Drones are much cheaper and nobody loses a skilled pilot. Same damages can be done with these as with a jet. And some drones (reconnaissance) are the same size as your hand.

Jets are a waste of money and time. Keep sending the drones. Russia can't stand them now...and they have been highly effective on the battlefield.

Fighter jets would be extremely useful. One of the problems with the drones that Russia is sending into the Ukraine is that they are far cheaper than what is needed to shoot them down. With a fighter jet you can get behind one and just fire a few rounds of billets at it to bring it down. The same is true for the more expensive cruse missiles. Also, the Ukraine has fighter pilots. They need jets for them to fly. As for drones, I've never heard of us sending them to the Ukraine. So far they are using artillery. It gets the job done just as well.

 

[dimensional]

How did Korea and Vietnam work out?

The Ukraine is different.

 

[dimensional]

You warpigs are despicable. Pick up a rifle and go fight. Stop sending other peoples' kids to die for your money laundering operation.

You warpussies are even more despicable. I have some empathy for all those civilians getting bombed. Putin is the warpig.

 

[KissMy]

Who in the hell said anything about bombing Moscow. Or any targets in Russia for that matter. Not I. Could leaflets spread around Moscow in some way be considered bombing? The only thing American jets would be doing is defending Ukrainian airspace. I don't think even Putin would be nuts enough to destroy the world with nukes over that.

Ukraine must stop the production of Russian war machine. Destroy their weapons factories, Truck factories, Oil refineries & power plants.

 

[JohnDB]

Fighter jets would be extremely useful. One of the problems with the drones that Russia is sending into the Ukraine is that they are far cheaper than what is needed to shoot them down. With a fighter jet you can get behind one and just fire a few rounds of billets at it to bring it down. The same is true for the more expensive cruse missiles. Also, the Ukraine has fighter pilots. They need jets for them to fly. As for drones, I've never heard of us sending them to the Ukraine. So far they are using artillery. It gets the job done just as well.

US vows to send more drones, aid to Ukraine on war’s anniversary

The Pentagon announced it would send more drones to Ukraine to aid its fight against Russia on the first anniversary of Russia’s invasion of the invasion.

www.defensenews.com

 

[Hurricanelover]

I think we should parachute homosexual porn into russia. Our goal is to destroy the narrative of the puriten fascist that control the country and empower the people to lust for freedom! America should open up a radio free europe like media that broadcast 24 hour talks about homosexuality, aires homosexual sex acts and of course drops books on homosexual porn into Russia.

We will show the russian people how wonderful freedom and liberty is! Next we can do the same for basic democracy and other items like having a safetynet like SSI and medicare for the russian people in their own country. We can tell the people that they deserve the wealth and not just the elites and assholes at the top! We can convince the people that freedom and that the wealth belongs in the hands of the avg folk.

OUr sec of state should hand Putin a book on homosexual sex.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Let’s look at it….The US was treaty bound to protect So Korea and and So Vietnam. Guess what, the idea was not to overrun No Korea and No Vietnam. The south of each are both functioning democracies NOW. What ever we did, worked

Well, the U.S. War in Vietnam sure didn’t “work” for U.S. imperialism!

The U.S. supported French colonial rule there until the French were defeated at DianBianPhu and then we sent as many as 500,000 troops there to stop the National Liberation Movement led by the Vietnamese Communist Ho Chi Minh.

The U.S. was following traditional Cold War thinking but did not understand the uniqueness of the Vietnamese situation. It sure didn’t make South Vietnam “a functioning democracy.”

The “Communists” won that round. Not because the Russians gave the Vietnamese people better or equal weapons — they used NO planes — but because of a long history of struggle and support by the majority of Vietnamese people. It was a bloody and terrible war and perhaps 2 million of more Vietnamese died. Most of the blame for that horror lies squarely on our own political leaders of the time, and on American naïveté.

But the Ukraine-Russian war is very different. Most Ukrainians now understandably believe Putin and Russia act like the bloody foreign aggressors who want to re-establish imperial control over them.

History is filled with errors and while the U.S. has made its share of them in dealing with Ukrainian nationalism, it was the Russian police state which invaded and did try its best to take Kiev and destroy Ukrainian sovereignty.

Meanwhile we have no ground troops fighting there. Biden is correct NOT to provide jets to Kiev. In my opinion, Biden and the West is correct to supply financial aid other mainly defensive weapons to help Ukrainians fight the Russian invasion. But Biden is wrong (imo) to support Zelensky’s maximal demands to retake Crimea. The time for negotiating a compromise settlement will likely arise in the next period, assuming both sides exhaust themselves.

Biden is an old Cold Warrior, and he may prove inflexible and miss real opportunities for a peaceful resolution … in the future.

 

[jknowgood]

You think Russia would start firing off nukes over some pamphlets? You're the idiot.

Did you believe Russian collusion?

 

[jknowgood]

There are other ways of spreading leaflets around without dropping them from planes.

I hate to sat it, but you're a cuck for your party.

 

[Dagosa]

the Ukraine-Russian war is very different. Most Ukrainians now understandably believe Putin and Russia act like the bloody foreign aggressors who want to re-establish imperial control over them.

.Those who served during the Vietnam War know what an invasion looks like.
It was no different in that respect from the Ukraine . The difference was, the US was actively in So Vietnam when it occurred. That’s something we’re trying to avoid now in Ukraine.

Both invaders have something in common....Russia to expand its borders of influence and China the same with a communist regime unifying No and So Vietnam.

 

[Dagosa]

Proxy war is for punks.
It's like the guy in Jr. High who instigates fights but won't actually fight himself.

Then sign up.

 

[KissMy]

 

[dimensional]

Ukraine must stop the production of Russian war machine. Destroy their weapons factories, Truck factories, Oil refineries & power plants.

When Afghanistan and Russia were at war, did the Afghans have to destroy the Russian war machine to finally give them the boot?

 

[dimensional]

US vows to send more drones, aid to Ukraine on war’s anniversary

The Pentagon announced it would send more drones to Ukraine to aid its fight against Russia on the first anniversary of Russia’s invasion of the invasion.

www.defensenews.com

Well, that's news to me. When the war first began, Biden seemed to be against sending the Ukraine weapons that could strike within Russia itself. And in looking things up, it seems that Ukraine has received some drones from Turkey that have a greater range than what we have sent them. Striking targets inside Russia is indeed dangerous. Also, though Russia has no legitimate reason to be attacking the Ukraine, destroying targets in Russia could give Putin some powerful propaganda in which to justify the war in the Ukraine.

 

[dimensional]

Did you believe Russian collusion?

Who here is in collusion with Russia.

 

[jknowgood]

Who here is in collusion with Russia.

By the Democrats, Trump was.

 

[Dagosa]

By the Democrats, Trump was.

Collusion ? That’s a bogus little term that means nothing. Trump CONSPIRED with the Russians and anyone else who would help him win an election. It’s obvious, he’s a loser. He lost by three million, then seven million in a landslide. Seriously, after the height of incompetence, criminality and foolishness, he could not be elected doh catcher.

oh, he can get nominated by the party of idiots.

 

[Dagosa]

Who here is in collusion with Russia.

No such thing that matters. It’s just a term for the foolish people to be scammed into thinking Trump isn’t a loser.