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Haldore Hanson, 80, Chronicler Of China and Victim of McCarthy - NYTimes.com
This is actually fairly interesting to me.
McCarthy did mostly figure out who was actually a member of the socialist party in the 30's. I mean the FBI may have told everyone or it may have been public knowledge.
My apologies for running up the post count. Darned cell posting while riding around.
I am gonna post a few more. Tomorrow I will be too busy to respond for a bit so post away back at me.
This probably got lost in all the replies. Was this Hanso. fella a spy also? I'll meet you in the middle on the Service fella.
Oh, and I can not find your reply with the goal posts I.am trying to kick through here. What counts as ruined or guilty?
Hey hey. Does this guy count and what are our yardsticks for guilt and ruined again?
Sorry to yell and all that
This probably got lost in all the replies. Was this Hanso. fella a spy also? I'll meet you in the middle on the Service fella.
Oh, and I can not find your reply with the goal posts I.am trying to kick through here. What counts as ruined or guilty?
Hey hey. Does this guy count and what are our yardsticks for guilt and ruined again?
Sorry to yell and all that
Haldore Hanson....
Interesting.
"Does this guy count."
Well, if he was as the NYTimes suggests....states....certainly counts as an 'innocent run over by McCarthy."
What the heck would I do then?
But what if the NYTimes is dissembling?
What if it isn't telling the truth about Haldore Hanson?
What would your response be?
Would you agree that everything I've said about the Senator is true?
That you've been lied to, mislead, propagandized?
Interesting question, huh?
Is Haldore Hanson the definitive example, one way or the other?
Hey hey. Does this guy count and what are our yardsticks for guilt and ruined again?
Sorry to yell and all that
Haldore Hanson....
Interesting.
"Does this guy count."
Well, if he was as the NYTimes suggests....states....certainly counts as an 'innocent run over by McCarthy."
What the heck would I do then?
But what if the NYTimes is dissembling?
What if it isn't telling the truth about Haldore Hanson?
What would your response be?
Would you agree that everything I've said about the Senator is true?
That you've been lied to, mislead, propagandized?
Interesting question, huh?
Is Haldore Hanson the definitive example, one way or the other?
I don't even know what yardstick of guilty and ruined he has to meet. Is the NY Times full of it?
If I seem like a Haldore Hanson expert I have some DDT to sell ya.
Haldore Hanson....
Interesting.
"Does this guy count."
Well, if he was as the NYTimes suggests....states....certainly counts as an 'innocent run over by McCarthy."
What the heck would I do then?
But what if the NYTimes is dissembling?
What if it isn't telling the truth about Haldore Hanson?
What would your response be?
Would you agree that everything I've said about the Senator is true?
That you've been lied to, mislead, propagandized?
Interesting question, huh?
Is Haldore Hanson the definitive example, one way or the other?
I don't even know what yardstick of guilty and ruined he has to meet. Is the NY Times full of it?
If I seem like a Haldore Hanson expert I have some DDT to sell ya.
I'm wondering why you seem to be avoiding the question.
After all, you selected Hanson....not I.
That seems to suggest that his nomination would offer support for your view of McCarthy.
I simply ask....what if it doesn't.
And you begin to tap dance.
Strange.
If the NYTimes....the voice of Liberalism....misinformed about Hanson....well...
...what should you suspect about the attacks on McCarthy...???
Stand erect, or be made to stand erect.
Marcus Aurelius
It was all part if the witch hunt. Whose name is synonymous with that witch hunt?
Because you've been lied to your entire life.
Grow up and get educated
You're just making an attempt at revising history. Not going to work. The videos don't lie. People at the time knew he was out of control and any good he did by pointing out Communists was more than offset by the harm he was doing to the social fabric of the country.
I don't even know what yardstick of guilty and ruined he has to meet. Is the NY Times full of it?
If I seem like a Haldore Hanson expert I have some DDT to sell ya.
I'm wondering why you seem to be avoiding the question.
After all, you selected Hanson....not I.
That seems to suggest that his nomination would offer support for your view of McCarthy.
I simply ask....what if it doesn't.
And you begin to tap dance.
Strange.
If the NYTimes....the voice of Liberalism....misinformed about Hanson....well...
...what should you suspect about the attacks on McCarthy...???
Stand erect, or be made to stand erect.
Marcus Aurelius
No really. I just tried finding a list of McCarthy victims and then checked Conservipedia to see who the most anti communist folks I could think of accused of anything.
That led me tk.skme entertaining reading on conservipedia not wanting to mention alcoholism but nothing else.
Ok. So if our bar is:
Open to communist/socialist ideals yet not convicted of being a spy
and
Was not ruined enough to commit suicide
then I hope McCarthy was 100% right. It seems he copied some FBI sources and yelled alot and socialist were not difficult to find after the great depression.
Am I about right on the bar? My description is unduely short I fear.
Ok. So if our bar is:
Open to communist/socialist ideals yet not convicted of being a spy
and
Was not ruined enough to commit suicide
then I hope McCarthy was 100% right. It seems he copied some FBI sources and yelled alot and socialist were not difficult to find after the great depression.
Am I about right on the bar? My description is unduely short I fear.
Ok. So if our bar is:
Open to communist/socialist ideals yet not convicted of being a spy
and
Was not ruined enough to commit suicide
then I hope McCarthy was 100% right. It seems he copied some FBI sources and yelled alot and socialist were not difficult to find after the great depression.
Am I about right on the bar? My description is unduely short I fear.
Gee....after offering Hanson as your poster boy....
Now you seem to forget all about him.
Let's take a gander at two 600 lb. gorillas in the room:
1. Throughout the thread, I've challenged you slanderers of McCarthy to name any innocent ruined by the Senator....and none of you have been able to do so.
Yet....none seem able to draw the obvious conclusion.
He must have been correct.
2. And the second 'gorilla'...any honest participant would comment on how the last few posts have destroyed the credibility of the most prominent leader of Left wing thought, the NYTimes......
....and muse on what must be true of lesser McCarthy attackers.
Yet....these considerations seem unworthy of comment by you and others.
Strange, huh?
Pod People are like that.....
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Ok. So if our bar is:
Open to communist/socialist ideals yet not convicted of being a spy
and
Was not ruined enough to commit suicide
then I hope McCarthy was 100% right. It seems he copied some FBI sources and yelled alot and socialist were not difficult to find after the great depression.
Am I about right on the bar? My description is unduely short I fear.
Amazing how you know McCarthy's HUAC blacklisted people but are real short on specifics
Ok. So if our bar is:
Open to communist/socialist ideals yet not convicted of being a spy
and
Was not ruined enough to commit suicide
then I hope McCarthy was 100% right. It seems he copied some FBI sources and yelled alot and socialist were not difficult to find after the great depression.
Am I about right on the bar? My description is unduely short I fear.
Amazing how you know McCarthy's HUAC blacklisted people but are real short on specifics
Frankiepoo. Answer the tough question about what bar of standards you hold for this. I asked a half dozen times. Perhaps I keep missing your reply or I am being too polite to get one?
Amazing how you know McCarthy's HUAC blacklisted people but are real short on specifics
Frankiepoo. Answer the tough question about what bar of standards you hold for this. I asked a half dozen times. Perhaps I keep missing your reply or I am being too polite to get one?
Why do I have to set any bar? You're the one who's convinced that McCarthy's HUAC blacklisted people, give us some names.
The ones you threw out so far either had NOTHING to do with Joe McCarthy or were real Communist spies, back before they took over the Democrat Party, when it was serious stuff
You were as convinced that McCarthy's HUAC blacklisted people as you were that Einstein was a great scientist. Where's the McCarthy e=mc^2?
Amazing how you know McCarthy's HUAC blacklisted people but are real short on specifics
Frankiepoo. Answer the tough question about what bar of standards you hold for this. I asked a half dozen times. Perhaps I keep missing your reply or I am being too polite to get one?
Why do I have to set any bar? You're the one who's convinced that McCarthy's HUAC blacklisted people, give us some names.
The ones you threw out so far either had NOTHING to do with Joe McCarthy or were real Communist spies, back before they took over the Democrat Party, when it was serious stuff
You were as convinced that McCarthy's HUAC blacklisted people as you were that Einstein was a great scientist. Where's the McCarthy e=mc^2?
Frankiepoo. Answer the tough question about what bar of standards you hold for this. I asked a half dozen times. Perhaps I keep missing your reply or I am being too polite to get
The ones you threw out so far either had NOTHING to do with Joe McCarthy or were real one?
Why do I have to set any bar? You're the one who's convinced that McCarthy's HUAC blacklisted people, give us some names. Communist spies, back before they took over the Democrat Party, when it was serious stuff
You were as convinced that McCarthy's HUAC blacklisted people as you were that Einstein was a great scientist. Where's the McCarthy e=mc^2?
Frank..... perhaps we are having two different conversations. If Hanson's non conviction but accusation was guilt in your eyes then you are 100% correct.
I had a page that said Stewart was found innocent. You say he was guilty. You would think he at least qualifies as suspicious and meets your standars then?
So by your bar McCarthy is a hero and 100% right. Am I more conservative? I think so but then again I am one of them who wonders about the Patriot Act so that does not make you unusual in your opinion.
This probably got lost in all the replies. Was this Hanso. fella a spy also? I'll meet you in the middle on the Service fella.
Oh, and I can not find your reply with the goal posts I.am trying to kick through here. What counts as ruined or guilty?
Hey hey. Does this guy count and what are our yardsticks for guilt and ruined again?
Sorry to yell and all that
Haldore Hanson....
Interesting.
"Does this guy count."
Well, if he was as the NYTimes suggests....states....certainly counts as an 'innocent run over by McCarthy."
What the heck would I do then?
But what if the NYTimes is dissembling?
What if it isn't telling the truth about Haldore Hanson?
What would your response be?
Would you agree that everything I've said about the Senator is true?
That you've been lied to, mislead, propagandized?
Interesting question, huh?
Is Haldore Hanson the definitive example, one way or the other?
What? No one denies Joe lied about his service record and lied about his political opponent? No one wishes to acclaim this individual for this courage and valor?
Thank heaven that Barack never "lied about his political opponent."!
Heck....where would we be then???
As a book reviewer commented:
Senator Joe McCarthy confronted government officials concealing communist involvement and excessively lax security with regards to Communists in sensitive U.S. Government posts. In many cases he was on target, with over 81 of the names he gave the Tydings committee resulting in resignations or movement of security risks.
Given that over 200 of the spies uncovered in the Venona decrypts were never identified, we can only speculate as to the national security impact of removing Communists from key DoD and State Dept posts.
Arthur Herman, author of "Joseph McCarthy: Reexamining the Life and Legacy of America's Most Hated Senator," says that the accuracy of McCarthy's charges "was no longer a matter of debate," that they are "now accepted as fact."
And The New York Post's Eric Fettmann has noted: "growing historical evidence underscores that, whatever his rhetorical and investigative excesses - and they were substantial - McCarthy was a lot closer to the truth about Communism than were his foes."
For those with a short memory or haven't read the thread, this from earlier posts and unanswered:
"From Wikipedia:
"It is well documented that McCarthy lied about his war record. Despite his automatic commission, he claimed to have enlisted as a "buck private". He flew twelve combat missions as a gunner-observer, earning the nickname of "Tail-Gunner Joe" in the course of one of these missions.[15]
He later claimed 32 missions in order to qualify for a Distinguished Flying Cross, which he received in 1952. McCarthy publicized a letter of commendation which he claimed had been signed by his commanding officer and countersigned by Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, then Chief of Naval Operations. However, it was revealed that McCarthy had written this letter himself, in his capacity as intelligence officer. A "war wound" that McCarthy made the subject of varying stories involving airplane crashes or antiaircraft fire was in fact received aboard ship during a ceremony for sailors crossing the equator for the first time."
Some hero."
More heroicism:
"In his campaign, McCarthy attacked La Follette for not enlisting during the war, although La Follette had been 46 when Pearl Harbor was bombed. He also claimed La Follette had made huge profits from his investments while he, McCarthy, had been away fighting for his country. In fact, McCarthy had invested in the stock market himself during the war, netting a profit of $42,000 in 1943. La Follette's investments consisted of partial interest in a radio station, which earned him a profit of $47,000 over two years."
For those with a short memory or haven't read the thread, this from earlier posts and unanswered:
"From Wikipedia:
"It is well documented that McCarthy lied about his war record. Despite his automatic commission, he claimed to have enlisted as a "buck private". He flew twelve combat missions as a gunner-observer, earning the nickname of "Tail-Gunner Joe" in the course of one of these missions.[15]
He later claimed 32 missions in order to qualify for a Distinguished Flying Cross, which he received in 1952. McCarthy publicized a letter of commendation which he claimed had been signed by his commanding officer and countersigned by Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, then Chief of Naval Operations. However, it was revealed that McCarthy had written this letter himself, in his capacity as intelligence officer. A "war wound" that McCarthy made the subject of varying stories involving airplane crashes or antiaircraft fire was in fact received aboard ship during a ceremony for sailors crossing the equator for the first time."
Some hero."
More heroicism:
"In his campaign, McCarthy attacked La Follette for not enlisting during the war, although La Follette had been 46 when Pearl Harbor was bombed. He also claimed La Follette had made huge profits from his investments while he, McCarthy, had been away fighting for his country. In fact, McCarthy had invested in the stock market himself during the war, netting a profit of $42,000 in 1943. La Follette's investments consisted of partial interest in a radio station, which earned him a profit of $47,000 over two years."
Chickenhawks rightwingers on this board whine about STOLEN VALOR all the time.
But when they encounter a perfect example of it in one of their heros?
Well, then, that's okay.
