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During the last glacial period, the Arctic Ocean was not completely frozen to the seafloor, but it did experience a massive ice sheet covering most of its surface, with thick shelf ice extending significantly further out than today, essentially filling the Arctic Ocean with a layer of freshwater and significantly impacting ocean circulation; while the deep waters below still flowed, the surface was largely covered by a thick ice sheet.
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It’s from overpopulation. All of that pee has to go somewhere.
EMH
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Your "glacial period" McBullshit is a feeble attempt to re-write climate history to block the truth of North American Ice Age.
Destroyed here already...
How old were the 2.5 mile thick glaciers covering Chicago in the past 20k-5 million years?
This is where the climate debate is now stuck. Every piece of land within 600 miles of a pole is in ice age, everything outside of that is not. Nobody has attempted to dispute that. It is the clear truth of Earth today. Milankovitch Cycles, which I call McBullshit Cycles, take a very...
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There is a variety of evidence that supports glacial cycles, including:Your "glacial period" McBullshit is a feeble attempt to re-write climate history to block the truth of North American Ice Age.
Destroyed here already...
How old were the 2.5 mile thick glaciers covering Chicago in the past 20k-5 million years?
This is where the climate debate is now stuck. Every piece of land within 600 miles of a pole is in ice age, everything outside of that is not. Nobody has attempted to dispute that. It is the clear truth of Earth today. Milankovitch Cycles, which I call McBullshit Cycles, take a very...
- Geological evidence
This includes:- Striations
Scratches and grooves left in bedrock by glaciers dragging rocks against it. These scratches show the direction of the glacier's movement.
- Tillites
Deposits of poorly sorted sediment, like boulders and cobbles, that have been turned to rock.
- Dropstones
Thin-bedded deposits of clay and silt with larger particles, like pebbles, cobbles, or boulders, piercing through them.
- Glacial moraines
A type of geological evidence for ice ages.
- Drumlins
A type of geological evidence for ice ages.
- Valley cutting
A type of geological evidence for ice ages.
- Glacial erratics
Boulders that have been transported and deposited by glaciers.
- Striations
- Sea sediments
Reveal how much ice was present in the world and provide clues to past temperatures and weather patterns.
- Ice cores
Provide a glimpse of past temperatures and preserve tiny bubbles of ancient atmosphere.
- Coral, tree rings, and cave rocks
Record cycles of drought and rainfall.
- Atmospheric CO2
Measured from bubbles in ice, like Dome Fuji ice, shows the same pattern as the temperature time series.
The glaciers that covered Chicago were about 20,000 years old:
- Arrival
The Wisconsin glacier entered northeastern Illinois around 30,000 years ago.
- Maximum extent
The glacier reached its southernmost point near Shelbyville, central Illinois, around 24,000 years ago. At this time, the ice sheet covered the entire Chicago region and was roughly 3,000 feet thick.
- Legacy
The glaciers left behind a varied geology of soils, sand, gravel, clay, and silt, which are the source of much of the water, soil, and minerals that sustain life in the region.
Radiometric dating of wood and soil samples indicates that the Wisconsin glacier reached Illinois about 30,000 years ago and spread out to its maximum extent, 180 miles south of Chicago in central Illinois, about 23,000 years ago.
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The Laurentide Ice Sheet was up to 4 kilometers (2.5 miles) thick in some areas during the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM) around 21,000 years ago.
and this is where McBullshit gets outed as Bullshit.
Greenland's ice at its thickest point is just more than 1 mile thick. Antarctica's is 2.5 miles thick. The ice core data doesn't even go down a full mile, because a mile down the air bubbles no longer exist, too much compression etc...
About Ice Cores | NSF Ice Core Facility
The National Science Foundation Ice Core Facility (NSF-ICF) — formerly the U.S. National Ice Core Laboratory (NICL) — is a facility for storing, curating, and studying meteoric ice cores recovered from the glaciated regions of the world.
The oldest continuous ice core records extend to 130,000 years in Greenland, and 800,000 years in Antarctica.
Hence it took Greenland way more than 130k years to get to a mile high.
McBullshit claims 2.5 mile Laurentide ice was only 30k years old...
and you have to be an absolute idiot to fall for this.
This is all about re-writing North American Ice Age, and hence re-writing climate history to edit out the documented FACT that
GREENLAND FROZE WHILE NORTH AMERICA THAWED
That's about as coherent as an Apu post. What's your point?
The Laurentide Ice Sheet was up to 4 kilometers (2.5 miles) thick in some areas during the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM) around 21,000 years ago.
and this is where McBullshit gets outed as Bullshit.
Greenland's ice at its thickest point is just more than 1 mile thick. Antarctica's is 2.5 miles thick. The ice core data doesn't even go down a full mile, because a mile down the air bubbles no longer exist, too much compression etc...
About Ice Cores | NSF Ice Core Facility
The National Science Foundation Ice Core Facility (NSF-ICF) — formerly the U.S. National Ice Core Laboratory (NICL) — is a facility for storing, curating, and studying meteoric ice cores recovered from the glaciated regions of the world.icecores.org
The oldest continuous ice core records extend to 130,000 years in Greenland, and 800,000 years in Antarctica.
Hence it took Greenland way more than 130k years to get to a mile high.
McBullshit claims 2.5 mile Laurentide ice was only 30k years old...
and you have to be an absolute idiot to fall for this.
This is all about re-writing North American Ice Age, and hence re-writing climate history to edit out the documented FACT that
GREENLAND FROZE WHILE NORTH AMERICA THAWED
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LOL!!!
Wood outside for 30k years....
LOL!!!
Same fudge study Toddster used....
How old were the 2.5 mile thick glaciers covering Chicago in the past 20k-5 million years?
This is where the climate debate is now stuck. Every piece of land within 600 miles of a pole is in ice age, everything outside of that is not. Nobody has attempted to dispute that. It is the clear truth of Earth today. Milankovitch Cycles, which I call McBullshit Cycles, take a very...
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That was your point? What no evidence to back it up?LOL!!!
Wood outside for 30k years....
LOL!!!
Same fudge study Toddster used....
How old were the 2.5 mile thick glaciers covering Chicago in the past 20k-5 million years?
This is where the climate debate is now stuck. Every piece of land within 600 miles of a pole is in ice age, everything outside of that is not. Nobody has attempted to dispute that. It is the clear truth of Earth today. Milankovitch Cycles, which I call McBullshit Cycles, take a very...
What about each one of these?
The glaciers that covered Chicago were about 20,000 years old:
- Arrival
The Wisconsin glacier entered northeastern Illinois around 30,000 years ago.
- Maximum extent
The glacier reached its southernmost point near Shelbyville, central Illinois, around 24,000 years ago. At this time, the ice sheet covered the entire Chicago region and was roughly 3,000 feet thick.
- Legacy
The glaciers left behind a varied geology of soils, sand, gravel, clay, and silt, which are the source of much of the water, soil, and minerals that sustain life in the region.
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A 20,000 year old ice age would have glaciers under 1,000 feet high per Greenland's ice core data. Your glaciers were 2.5 miles thick. That's why McBullshit is bullshit.
And wood outside for 30,000 years.... actually fully decomposes in under 200... LOL!!!
The ice sheet that covered the Chicago region and was roughly 3,000 feet thick. The ice sheet advanced and retreated over North America at least a dozen times in the last 2.5 million years. The most recent time when ice sheets were at their greatest extent was the Last Glacial Maximum, which occurred 26,000 to 20,000 years ago.
No one disputes this. You have no data. You have no links. You're an idiot. Do you know you are an idiot? Did maybe your folks tell you to learn a trade because you were an idiot?
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The ice core data completely refutes it. The speed of the Greenland ice advance completely refutes it.
That is all a re-write of North American Ice Age that happened after this...
and it is thoroughly refuted here...
How old were the 2.5 mile thick glaciers covering Chicago in the past 20k-5 million years?
This is where the climate debate is now stuck. Every piece of land within 600 miles of a pole is in ice age, everything outside of that is not. Nobody has attempted to dispute that. It is the clear truth of Earth today. Milankovitch Cycles, which I call McBullshit Cycles, take a very...
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The link shows it....
What is the EVIDENCE???
1. LIFE
Any evidence of LIFE on Chicago for the past 50 million years .... NO
Any evidence of LIFE on Greenland.... YES
Ancient Greenland Was Actually Green
Greenland was once carpeted in lush forests, a new study shows.
The DNA is proof that sometime between 450,000 and 800,000 years ago, much of Greenland was especially green and covered in a boreal forest that was home to alder, spruce and pine trees, as well as insects such as butterflies and beetle
A 2-million-year-old ecosystem in Greenland uncovered by environmental DNA - Nature
Analysis of two-million-year-old ancient environmental DNA from the Kap København Formation in North Greenland shows there was an open boreal forest with diverse plant and animal species, of which several taxa have not previously been detected at the site, representing an ecosystem that has no...
www.nature.com
So it is fair to say that the ice covering Greenland started up north in the past 2 million years, got to the middle of Greenland 400-800k years ago, and flushed out the Vikings in the 1400s on the southern tip, since when the Vikings found the Southern Tip of Greenland, they called it GREENland because it was green and were able to farm there for centuries before the Greenland ice age pushed them off...
Any evidence of life on Antarctica?
This Cretaceous period dinosaur lived about 70 million years ago, towards the end of the Mesozoic Era. A bipedal, long-necked, plant-eating dinosaur (a sauropod) was discovered in the Antarctic interior by William R. Hammer and his team in late 2003.
2. Speed of ice age glacier
Indeed, the data from Greenland above is the best data we have, since it is recent and conclusive. It took Greenland's ice age somewhere between 500k years and 2 million years from its beginning at the northern part of Greenland to get to where it is now.
So the speed of a glacier is about 1 mile every thousand years, so if North American Ice Age was only 70k years old, then it only moved 70 miles, and hence did not get to Chicago, since it started in northern Canada.
3. size of the glacier
Greenland's ice is not yet 2 miles thick anywhere. Below the Arctic Circle, Greenland's ice is under 1 mile thick.
Hence the claim of 2.5 mile thick glacier on Chicago being 75k years old is, well, NOT SUPPORTED BY DATA POINT GREENLAND at all.
Antarctica has 2.5 mile thick glacier. There is a dispute over the age of those too. McBullshit claims it is not that old and that while sitting on the South Pole Antarctica has frozen and thawed over and over like Dennis Quaid claimed in the movie "Day After Tomorrow"
4. ice cores
The oldest continuous ice core records to date extend 123,000 years in Greenland and 800,000 years in Antarctica. Ice cores contain information about past temperature, and about many other aspects of the environment
And hence it is fair to say that the 2.5 mile thick glacier on Antarctica is WAY OLDER than 75k years... to put it mildly.
Even the Greenland ice is way older than that too, and it has yet to get to 2 miles thick
5. tectonic plate movement
Reiny recently claimed Greenland is part of North America. Not on my map. But it is on the SAME TECTONIC PLATE moving on the same vector because of the angle of the fault in the North Atlantic
north atlantic ocean floor map - Bing
Intelligent search from Bing makes it easier to quickly find what you’re looking for and rewards you.
That fault has pushed Greenland NW and Europe SE for tens of millions of years, and hence explains why all of Europe's glaciers are melting while Greenland went into ice age. It was also pushing North America NW until NA got to its closest point to the pole, and then NA started moving SW on the SAME VECTOR on a SPHERE...
Accepting the 600 miles to the pole = your land entered an ice age
North America would have been in ice age for 30-50 million years, and would have been where Greenland is today 30-50 million years ago. The accepted date of that prior to 2010 was 50 million years...
Hence, the evidence that the glaciers on Chicago 2.5 miles thick were 75k years old is contrary to ALL DATA ON ICE AGES AND GLACIERS on the planet today.
The ice cores prove glaciers 2.5 miles thick TODAY are WAY OLDER than 75k years.
What about the ice core data refutes the glacial cycles of the past 3 million years?The link shows it....
What is the EVIDENCE???
1. LIFE
Any evidence of LIFE on Chicago for the past 50 million years .... NO
Any evidence of LIFE on Greenland.... YES
Ancient Greenland Was Actually Green
Greenland was once carpeted in lush forests, a new study shows.www.livescience.com
The DNA is proof that sometime between 450,000 and 800,000 years ago, much of Greenland was especially green and covered in a boreal forest that was home to alder, spruce and pine trees, as well as insects such as butterflies and beetle
A 2-million-year-old ecosystem in Greenland uncovered by environmental DNA - Nature
Analysis of two-million-year-old ancient environmental DNA from the Kap København Formation in North Greenland shows there was an open boreal forest with diverse plant and animal species, of which several taxa have not previously been detected at the site, representing an ecosystem that has no...
So it is fair to say that the ice covering Greenland started up north in the past 2 million years, got to the middle of Greenland 400-800k years ago, and flushed out the Vikings in the 1400s on the southern tip, since when the Vikings found the Southern Tip of Greenland, they called it GREENland because it was green and were able to farm there for centuries before the Greenland ice age pushed them off...
Any evidence of life on Antarctica?
This Cretaceous period dinosaur lived about 70 million years ago, towards the end of the Mesozoic Era. A bipedal, long-necked, plant-eating dinosaur (a sauropod) was discovered in the Antarctic interior by William R. Hammer and his team in late 2003.
2. Speed of ice age glacier
Indeed, the data from Greenland above is the best data we have, since it is recent and conclusive. It took Greenland's ice age somewhere between 500k years and 2 million years from its beginning at the northern part of Greenland to get to where it is now.
So the speed of a glacier is about 1 mile every thousand years, so if North American Ice Age was only 70k years old, then it only moved 70 miles, and hence did not get to Chicago, since it started in northern Canada.
3. size of the glacier
Greenland's ice is not yet 2 miles thick anywhere. Below the Arctic Circle, Greenland's ice is under 1 mile thick.
Hence the claim of 2.5 mile thick glacier on Chicago being 75k years old is, well, NOT SUPPORTED BY DATA POINT GREENLAND at all.
Antarctica has 2.5 mile thick glacier. There is a dispute over the age of those too. McBullshit claims it is not that old and that while sitting on the South Pole Antarctica has frozen and thawed over and over like Dennis Quaid claimed in the movie "Day After Tomorrow"
4. ice cores
The oldest continuous ice core records to date extend 123,000 years in Greenland and 800,000 years in Antarctica. Ice cores contain information about past temperature, and about many other aspects of the environment
And hence it is fair to say that the 2.5 mile thick glacier on Antarctica is WAY OLDER than 75k years... to put it mildly.
Even the Greenland ice is way older than that too, and it has yet to get to 2 miles thick
5. tectonic plate movement
Reiny recently claimed Greenland is part of North America. Not on my map. But it is on the SAME TECTONIC PLATE moving on the same vector because of the angle of the fault in the North Atlantic
north atlantic ocean floor map - Bing
Intelligent search from Bing makes it easier to quickly find what you’re looking for and rewards you.www.bing.com
That fault has pushed Greenland NW and Europe SE for tens of millions of years, and hence explains why all of Europe's glaciers are melting while Greenland went into ice age. It was also pushing North America NW until NA got to its closest point to the pole, and then NA started moving SW on the SAME VECTOR on a SPHERE...
Accepting the 600 miles to the pole = your land entered an ice age
North America would have been in ice age for 30-50 million years, and would have been where Greenland is today 30-50 million years ago. The accepted date of that prior to 2010 was 50 million years...
Hence, the evidence that the glaciers on Chicago 2.5 miles thick were 75k years old is contrary to ALL DATA ON ICE AGES AND GLACIERS on the planet today.
The ice cores prove glaciers 2.5 miles thick TODAY are WAY OLDER than 75k years.
Ice core data can go back hundreds of thousands to millions of years:
- Greenland
The oldest continuous ice core record in Greenland is 130,000 years old. In the early 1990s, the GISP2 project extracted a core from the Greenland ice sheet that was nearly 2 miles long, providing a record of at least 110,000 years.
- Antarctica
The oldest continuous ice core record in Antarctica is 800,000 years old. However, in 2019, researchers extracted a 2.7 million-year-old ice sample from the Allan Hills Blue Ice Areas in East Antarctica.
- Mountain glaciers
Ice cores have also been taken from glaciers in the Andes Mountains, Mount Kilimanjaro, and the Himalayas.
Scientists can use the annual layers in ice cores to count their age, similar to counting the rings of a tree. Each season's snowfall has slightly different properties than the previous season.
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LOL!!!
So the 2.5 mile thick glaciers on Antarctica are way older than 2.7 million years, yet your side claims 2.5 mile thick glacier on or near Chicago was only 70k years old, having started in Northern Canada and moved to Chicago, almost 1000 miles south... never mind the speed of the Greenland ice age is about 1 mile per 1000 years.
LOL!!!
By every measure we have of ice age glacier, the McBullshit is laughable bullshit and clearly outed as such.
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Sea level rise is like telling a bunch of cows it isn't going to rain, but the cows are suspicious from clouds and wind and trees. If we looked less for an answer in technology and invested more in allowing for like relief in humanitarian form for people who feel trapped where they are....
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