Sea level rise solved

[Stryder50]

Here on the West Coast ... we have an OBVIOUS beach deposit bench 30 feet above current sea level from 10,000 years ago ... it's colder now than it was then ...

I'm not convinced that much colder now, compared to then.*
Admittedly things did warm up about 15,000 +/- years ago, when last ice age (glaciation) ended and things began to warm up and melt, but there is also vertical crustal displacement to consider, likely from Juan de Fuca Plate subduction making the West coast of the North American Plate rise.

Meanwhile ocean levels would rise due to ice melt from the last Ice Age/Glacial;

Image here shows approximate areas that would be dry land, dark green, during last ice age/glacial when much water was locked up in the ice sheets(white);

*Also, here's another showing recent temps, and that @ 10,000 years ago would have been colder if not close to same as now.

 

[Stryder50]

Both Greenland and Antarctica grew ice during your BS "interglacials," refuting the entire concept.

In some regions, less so in others. Also, there is season accumulations at times.
Consider the saga of Glacier Girl;
Glacier Girl is a Lockheed P-38F Lightning, World War II fighter plane, 41-7630, c/n 222-5757, restored to flying condition after being buried beneath the Greenland ice sheet for over 50 years.

Glacier Girl - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Some amazing photos in this link;

The Amazing Recovery & Restoration Of The P-38 Glacier Girl​

P-38 Glacier Girl, and the five other fighters, and the two B-17s were left untouched on the ice field and became buried under 268 feet of snow and ice that had slowly built up over the decades. In 1992, 50 years later, members of the Greenland Expedition Society, after years of searching and excavation....

 

[EMH]

In some regions, less so in others. Also, there is season accumulations at times.
Consider the saga of Glacier Girl;
Glacier Girl is a Lockheed P-38F Lightning, World War II fighter plane, 41-7630, c/n 222-5757, restored to flying condition after being buried beneath the Greenland ice sheet for over 50 years.

Glacier Girl - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Some amazing photos in this link;

The Amazing Recovery & Restoration Of The P-38 Glacier Girl​

P-38 Glacier Girl, and the five other fighters, and the two B-17s were left untouched on the ice field and became buried under 268 feet of snow and ice that had slowly built up over the decades. In 1992, 50 years later, members of the Greenland Expedition Society, after years of searching and excavation....

So if the planes were buried under ice, then the ice is GROWING....

 

[EMH]

when last ice age

You are pushing fudged fraud with bogus definitions.

First, you do not understand what an ICE AGE is...

Apparently we really need a "debate" over the term ICE AGE because y'all are all wrong...

What is an ICE AGE? Most apparently still believe it is a terrifying horror movie event where Earth all at once freezes up. The data has never supported such a scenario. Since 2010, there has been a massive effort to re-write Earth climate history into a series of rapid "glaciations" and ice...

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things began to warm up and melt

10k years ago there was still ice age glacier in Indiana from North American Ice Age. 1k years ago Vikings were farming on Greenland until frozen off in 1400s.

GREENLAND FROZE WHILE NORTH AMERICA THAWED

You fall for all of it. Try getting a clue here, just the OPs will do...

Since Co2 does nothing, what does cause Earth climate change?

The first part is understanding what is climate and what is weather. Climate is the parameters of Earth that allow certain ranges of weather. We don't get Cat 10 canes now, but we would if Earth had no ice. What are the parameters of climate that can change? Ocean levels Atmospheric...

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How old were the 2.5 mile thick glaciers covering Chicago in the past 20k-5 million years?

This is where the climate debate is now stuck. Every piece of land within 600 miles of a pole is in ice age, everything outside of that is not. Nobody has attempted to dispute that. It is the clear truth of Earth today. Milankovitch Cycles, which I call McBullshit Cycles, take a very...

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[ReinyDays]

Sea level rise is like telling a bunch of cows it isn't going to rain, but the cows are suspicious from clouds and wind and trees. If we looked less for an answer in technology and invested more in allowing for like relief in humanitarian form for people who feel trapped where they are....

Climate change causes cows to be suspicious of trees? ...

If our barometer is rising, and the fella 20 miles upstream says it's sunny and clear where he is ... then we can say it isn't going to rain ... rising pressure destroys clouds, fully inhibits rain ...

But I digress ... I completely agree we should be providing the poorest of the poor with basic electric service, for refrigeration, no matter the carbon cost ... humanity is more important than longer growing seasons ...

 

[ReinyDays]

I'm not convinced that much colder now, compared to then.*
Admittedly things did warm up about 15,000 +/- years ago, when last ice age (glaciation) ended and things began to warm up and melt, but there is also vertical crustal displacement to consider, likely from Juan de Fuca Plate subduction making the West coast of the North American Plate rise.

Meanwhile ocean levels would rise due to ice melt from the last Ice Age/Glacial;

Image here shows approximate areas that would be dry land, dark green, during last ice age/glacial when much water was locked up in the ice sheets(white);

*Also, here's another showing recent temps, and that @ 10,000 years ago would have been colder if not close to same as now.

You sure know how to pack a lot of information into a small space ...

I have temporal issues with your premise ... the subduction here on the West Coast started 100 million years ago and ended 30 million years ago ... the only surface remains of the Farallon Plate is a small chuck here called Juan de Fuca and another off South America called the Nazca Plate ... We had the Columbia Flood Basalt starting 15 million years ago ... these events took ten million years ... I think it's something of a false analogy comparing these to events in the past 15 thousand years ...

Your last image ... "Civilization starts here" ... that trace is unlike any I've ever seen before ... and even Creationists think civilization started long before the arrow shows ... what's up with that? ... have you read the book this is from, because I don't think this is meant to say what you think it says ...

This is from Wikipedia, who in turn cites NOAA ... to my eye, this shows a distinct periodicity ... something Steffen et. al. seems to ignore (or maybe ∆T isn't temperature) ...

Ice core - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Stryder50]

So if the planes were buried under ice, then the ice is GROWING....

In that part of Greenland, yes.
DUH!

 

[Stryder50]

You are pushing fudged fraud with bogus definitions.

First, you do not understand what an ICE AGE is...

Apparently we really need a "debate" over the term ICE AGE because y'all are all wrong...

What is an ICE AGE? Most apparently still believe it is a terrifying horror movie event where Earth all at once freezes up. The data has never supported such a scenario. Since 2010, there has been a massive effort to re-write Earth climate history into a series of rapid "glaciations" and ice...

www.usmessageboard.com

10k years ago there was still ice age glacier in Indiana from North American Ice Age. 1k years ago Vikings were farming on Greenland until frozen off in 1400s.

GREENLAND FROZE WHILE NORTH AMERICA THAWED

You fall for all of it. Try getting a clue here, just the OPs will do...

Since Co2 does nothing, what does cause Earth climate change?

The first part is understanding what is climate and what is weather. Climate is the parameters of Earth that allow certain ranges of weather. We don't get Cat 10 canes now, but we would if Earth had no ice. What are the parameters of climate that can change? Ocean levels Atmospheric...

www.usmessageboard.com

How old were the 2.5 mile thick glaciers covering Chicago in the past 20k-5 million years?

This is where the climate debate is now stuck. Every piece of land within 600 miles of a pole is in ice age, everything outside of that is not. Nobody has attempted to dispute that. It is the clear truth of Earth today. Milankovitch Cycles, which I call McBullshit Cycles, take a very...

www.usmessageboard.com

The disagree was to your links and their OP.
The case of Greenland and Vikings shows that climates can vary over short (centuries) periods of time, at various locations/regions..

Still have remains of "ice age" glaciers here on Mt. Rainier and Mt. Baker., etc.

I'm just presenting the definition of Ice Age as used by some (climate, etc.) scientists.

 

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The disagree was to your links and their OP.
The case of Greenland and Vikings shows that climates can vary over short (centuries) periods of time, at various locations/regions..

Still have remains of "ice age" glaciers here on Mt. Rainier and Mt. Baker., etc.

I'm just presenting the definition of Ice Age as used by some (climate, etc.) scientists.

Exactly. Which is proof of our bipolar glaciated world's climate fluctuating rapidly. And proof that they can't say rapid warming doesn't occur naturally. The geologic record is littered with rapid warming and rapid cooling events in glacial and interglacial periods. The claim that today's warming is unprecedented is bullshit. I don't know how anyone can make that claim.

 

[skookerasbil]

Where is there any evidence anybody is caring about the 3mm?

 

[skookerasbil]

How many people are concerned about "sea rise"?

About the same number of people who exit a 7-11 or WaWa and contemplate the future of the dried gum on the sidewalk.

I mean...c'mon now....

 

[EMH]

The disagree was to your links and their OP.
The case of Greenland and Vikings shows that climates can vary over short (centuries) periods of time, at various locations/regions..

Still have remains of "ice age" glaciers here on Mt. Rainier and Mt. Baker., etc.

I'm just presenting the definition of Ice Age as used by some (climate, etc.) scientists.

You parrot the "climate scientists."

Can't possibly be dumber than that....

 

[EMH]

Where is there any evidence anybody is caring about the 3mm?

There isn't even 3mm. There is NOTHING. Earth ocean levels are either flat or trending down at a microscopic pace.


Funny, too, since burning hydrocarbons actually adds water, H2O being a by-product. Hence, while Co2 isn't warming anything, the other part of hydrocarbon burning, H20, should be pushing ocean levels higher by adding H2O, but even with that


THERE IS NO OCEAN RISE, NOT 0.0000000001mm

 

[EMH]

Show us one single photo of "ocean rise."

or admit there is none and STFU....

 

[Mashmont]

I have the largest seashell collection of anyone on earth. Billions of shells. I keep them on beaches all over the world. I find it much easier than storing them.

 

[trevorjohnson83]

Climate change causes cows to be suspicious of trees? ...

If our barometer is rising, and the fella 20 miles upstream says it's sunny and clear where he is ... then we can say it isn't going to rain ... rising pressure destroys clouds, fully inhibits rain ...

But I digress ... I completely agree we should be providing the poorest of the poor with basic electric service, for refrigeration, no matter the carbon cost ... humanity is more important than longer growing seasons ...

basic necessities is what I call it and its a program I would like the gov't to adopt. Did you know people would disagree with us just to disagree? ewwwuck

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I can't tell if this is a joke or not. The stuff deniers actually say tends to be indistinguishable from parody.

 

[ReinyDays]

I saw this ... thought it was cute ... it does put into prospective how little sea level rise is ... couple of feet is nothing ... Treasure Island in San Francisco Bay is 30 feet elevation ... one square mile man made island ...

Okay ... 28 feet elevation in 100 years ... by golly that's a-troub'ling ... gosh darn it ...

 

[EMH]

I saw this ... thought it was cute ... it does put into prospective how little sea level rise is ... couple of feet is nothing ... Treasure Island in San Francisco Bay is 30 feet elevation ... one square mile man made island ...

Okay ... 28 feet elevation in 100 years ... by golly that's a-troub'ling ... gosh darn it ...

There is no ocean rise. There is only a pack of taxpayer funded fudgebaking liars lying about it...

 

[ding]

There is no ocean rise. There is only a pack of taxpayer funded fudgebaking liars lying about it...

You know this because you looked at pictures of the statue of liberty, right? giggle