School shootings are extraordinarily rare. Why is fear of them driving policy?

[frigidweirdo]

They are counting intentional shootings of four or more, just as other countries do.
The other list also includes 3 accidental gun discharges with no injuries, one on a college campus, and 3 shootings on college campuses, which included a shooting at a party/wedding rental facility located on a campus. They also included a suicide in a school parking lot by a 31 yr old at a school that had been permanently closed seven months prior. They included a shooting between adults that had been fighting, in a school parking lot after hours. Also included was a suicide in a bathroom. Another included is an after hours robbery gone bad in a school parking lot. A school administrative office was hit by a stray bullet through a window, which the shooter was never located, and no one injured.
And last, a drive by that hit no one.

Two of the shootings, the kids had been kicked out of schooldue to problems, yet later allowed to return. Another in which he even had a hit list that had been reported.

Rare? What is rare?

They're rare in the UK, they haven't had one since 1996. The US has had many this year alone.

School shootings have been declining for two decades. Children are about 100 times more likely to die from drowning in a swimming pool. But the hype has been astronomical. The news loves it, it's good for ratings.

But there's a big difference between accidents and deliberate shootings.

Comparing the two is a little dishonest.

Do you have statistics to show school shooting have been declining for 2 decades?

Study: School Shootings Are Actually Rare and Declining

I've found a webpage that makes the same case as you do. Is it true?

It says there have been 4 school shootings this year. Well, that's a lot in only 3 months.

However is it 4 or are they just making up numbers?

Great Mills, Maryland. 2 dead. 17 year old student kills two people in this school.

Huffman High School, Birmingham, Alabama. 1 dead.
A school shooting? Well, no one is being charged with murder. A gun was taken to school, metal detectors were not being used that day, and a student was killed "accidentally." You could argue both ways. The reality is that kids aren't safe at schools and a student died as a result of guns.

Parkland Florida. 17 dead.

Oxon Hill High School, Maryland. No dead. Someone tried to rob someone else in a school parking lot. The shooting happened in a school, no one died.

So I'd guess this website would say it's not a school shooting, even though it was a shooting and it was at school. It wasn't a shooting in the same way as Parkland was. It wasn't a mass killing, but it was a shooting.

Sal Castro Middle School, zero dead. Two students were shot and injured in their classroom. A shooting in a school.

Marshall Country High School, two dead. Shot in the lobby of the school.

NET Charter High School, New Orleans. Zero killed. Shots were fired at students in the parking lot.

Italy High School, Texas, Zero dead. Shots fired but no one killed inside the school cafeteria.

So I've got eight there. How do they get it down to four? Ah, a school shooting is only a school shooting when A) students die and B) the aim of the shooter was to kill lots of random students.

That's rubbish. They're passing off school shootings as not school shootings because it's inconvenient for their message.

Give me a break.

So, their evidence that school shootings have been declining. I don't trust a single thing they say about school shootings, to be honest.

But just because you can talk them away, doesn't mean they didn't happen.

Eight shootings this year. Accidental discharges in school?

I'm sorry, but sending your kids to school where they might get killed by accidental discharges doesn't exactly warm the hearts of parents.

Oh, more than three need to die before anyone gives a ****? Are you kidding me?

You're playing politics, nothing more and nothing less. Redefining what something means to fit your twisted agenda.

Kids are getting killed in schools. Do you not have a problem with this?

Oh, not enough kids died in school, so who cares? That's what the US has come to, it's SICK.

 

[frigidweirdo]

So, their evidence that school shootings have been declining. I don't trust a single thing they say about school shootings, to be honest.

Of course not. Who needs evidence when you can make things up that fit your political goals?

Evidence? What ******* evidence have you provided exactly?

Wait..... the only evidence you've provided is what you pulled out of your ass.

Don't lecture me on stuff you don't actually do.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Perspective | School shootings are extraordinarily rare. Why is fear of them driving policy?

Fear of school shootings shouldn't be driving policy.

The kids this weekend made it very clear that it's NOT about just school shootings. I guess some people can only think about one thing at a time, though.

Really?

Did they mention how 70% of all murder occur in only 5% of all the counties in the US?
Or that more than 50% of all counties in the US have a murder rate of virtually zero?

WHat did they propose to do to address those 70% of murders?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Really?

Did they mention how 70% of all murder occur in only 5% of all the counties in the US?
Or that more than 50% of all counties in the US have a murder rate of virtually zero?

WHat did they propose to do to address those 70% of murders?

It sounds like the real solution is to ban a class of people from owning guns. Of course, that would be the most unpopular solution ever, but it would be the most effective. But, instead, the non-violent must surrender their weapons because that is the feel-good way of doing things.

Nah. Let's just go back to the beginning and repeal all federal gun laws, like the founders intended.

 

[depotoo]

Did I make any statement regarding how I felt? You asked, I chose to research it and gave you what I found.
Do I feel some they included were less than ingenious? Yes. Surely you do, too.

They are counting intentional shootings of four or more, just as other countries do.
The other list also includes 3 accidental gun discharges with no injuries, one on a college campus, and 3 shootings on college campuses, which included a shooting at a party/wedding rental facility located on a campus. They also included a suicide in a school parking lot by a 31 yr old at a school that had been permanently closed seven months prior. They included a shooting between adults that had been fighting, in a school parking lot after hours. Also included was a suicide in a bathroom. Another included is an after hours robbery gone bad in a school parking lot. A school administrative office was hit by a stray bullet through a window, which the shooter was never located, and no one injured.
And last, a drive by that hit no one.

Two of the shootings, the kids had been kicked out of schooldue to problems, yet later allowed to return. Another in which he even had a hit list that had been reported.

Rare? What is rare?

They're rare in the UK, they haven't had one since 1996. The US has had many this year alone.

School shootings have been declining for two decades. Children are about 100 times more likely to die from drowning in a swimming pool. But the hype has been astronomical. The news loves it, it's good for ratings.

But there's a big difference between accidents and deliberate shootings.

Comparing the two is a little dishonest.

Do you have statistics to show school shooting have been declining for 2 decades?

Study: School Shootings Are Actually Rare and Declining

I've found a webpage that makes the same case as you do. Is it true?

It says there have been 4 school shootings this year. Well, that's a lot in only 3 months.

However is it 4 or are they just making up numbers?

Great Mills, Maryland. 2 dead. 17 year old student kills two people in this school.

Huffman High School, Birmingham, Alabama. 1 dead.
A school shooting? Well, no one is being charged with murder. A gun was taken to school, metal detectors were not being used that day, and a student was killed "accidentally." You could argue both ways. The reality is that kids aren't safe at schools and a student died as a result of guns.

Parkland Florida. 17 dead.

Oxon Hill High School, Maryland. No dead. Someone tried to rob someone else in a school parking lot. The shooting happened in a school, no one died.

So I'd guess this website would say it's not a school shooting, even though it was a shooting and it was at school. It wasn't a shooting in the same way as Parkland was. It wasn't a mass killing, but it was a shooting.

Sal Castro Middle School, zero dead. Two students were shot and injured in their classroom. A shooting in a school.

Marshall Country High School, two dead. Shot in the lobby of the school.

NET Charter High School, New Orleans. Zero killed. Shots were fired at students in the parking lot.

Italy High School, Texas, Zero dead. Shots fired but no one killed inside the school cafeteria.

So I've got eight there. How do they get it down to four? Ah, a school shooting is only a school shooting when A) students die and B) the aim of the shooter was to kill lots of random students.

That's rubbish. They're passing off school shootings as not school shootings because it's inconvenient for their message.

Give me a break.

So, their evidence that school shootings have been declining. I don't trust a single thing they say about school shootings, to be honest.

But just because you can talk them away, doesn't mean they didn't happen.

Eight shootings this year. Accidental discharges in school?

I'm sorry, but sending your kids to school where they might get killed by accidental discharges doesn't exactly warm the hearts of parents.

Oh, more than three need to die before anyone gives a ****? Are you kidding me?

You're playing politics, nothing more and nothing less. Redefining what something means to fit your twisted agenda.

Kids are getting killed in schools. Do you not have a problem with this?

Oh, not enough kids died in school, so who cares? That's what the US has come to, it's SICK.

 

[bodecea]

Perspective | School shootings are extraordinarily rare. Why is fear of them driving policy?

Fear of school shootings shouldn't be driving policy.

Why didn't it, before now?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Why didn't it, before now?

Because nothing else was working. The communists have run out of options.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

But just because you can talk them away, doesn't mean they didn't happen.

Eight shootings this year. Accidental discharges in school?

I'm sorry, but sending your kids to school where they might get killed by accidental discharges doesn't exactly warm the hearts of parents.

Oh, more than three need to die before anyone gives a ****? Are you kidding me?

You're playing politics, nothing more and nothing less. Redefining what something means to fit your twisted agenda.

Kids are getting killed in schools. Do you not have a problem with this?

Oh, not enough kids died in school, so who cares? That's what the US has come to, it's SICK.

Again, this the classic leftist tactic of accusing the other side of not thinking of the children if they disagree.

Caring about whether children get shot at school does not require one to agree with the communist agenda.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Did I make any statement regarding how I felt? You asked, I chose to research it and gave you what I found.
Do I feel some they included were less than ingenious? Yes. Surely you do, too.

They are counting intentional shootings of four or more, just as other countries do.
The other list also includes 3 accidental gun discharges with no injuries, one on a college campus, and 3 shootings on college campuses, which included a shooting at a party/wedding rental facility located on a campus. They also included a suicide in a school parking lot by a 31 yr old at a school that had been permanently closed seven months prior. They included a shooting between adults that had been fighting, in a school parking lot after hours. Also included was a suicide in a bathroom. Another included is an after hours robbery gone bad in a school parking lot. A school administrative office was hit by a stray bullet through a window, which the shooter was never located, and no one injured.
And last, a drive by that hit no one.

Two of the shootings, the kids had been kicked out of schooldue to problems, yet later allowed to return. Another in which he even had a hit list that had been reported.

Rare? What is rare?

They're rare in the UK, they haven't had one since 1996. The US has had many this year alone.

School shootings have been declining for two decades. Children are about 100 times more likely to die from drowning in a swimming pool. But the hype has been astronomical. The news loves it, it's good for ratings.

But there's a big difference between accidents and deliberate shootings.

Comparing the two is a little dishonest.

Do you have statistics to show school shooting have been declining for 2 decades?

Study: School Shootings Are Actually Rare and Declining

I've found a webpage that makes the same case as you do. Is it true?

It says there have been 4 school shootings this year. Well, that's a lot in only 3 months.

However is it 4 or are they just making up numbers?

Great Mills, Maryland. 2 dead. 17 year old student kills two people in this school.

Huffman High School, Birmingham, Alabama. 1 dead.
A school shooting? Well, no one is being charged with murder. A gun was taken to school, metal detectors were not being used that day, and a student was killed "accidentally." You could argue both ways. The reality is that kids aren't safe at schools and a student died as a result of guns.

Parkland Florida. 17 dead.

Oxon Hill High School, Maryland. No dead. Someone tried to rob someone else in a school parking lot. The shooting happened in a school, no one died.

So I'd guess this website would say it's not a school shooting, even though it was a shooting and it was at school. It wasn't a shooting in the same way as Parkland was. It wasn't a mass killing, but it was a shooting.

Sal Castro Middle School, zero dead. Two students were shot and injured in their classroom. A shooting in a school.

Marshall Country High School, two dead. Shot in the lobby of the school.

NET Charter High School, New Orleans. Zero killed. Shots were fired at students in the parking lot.

Italy High School, Texas, Zero dead. Shots fired but no one killed inside the school cafeteria.

So I've got eight there. How do they get it down to four? Ah, a school shooting is only a school shooting when A) students die and B) the aim of the shooter was to kill lots of random students.

That's rubbish. They're passing off school shootings as not school shootings because it's inconvenient for their message.

Give me a break.

So, their evidence that school shootings have been declining. I don't trust a single thing they say about school shootings, to be honest.

But just because you can talk them away, doesn't mean they didn't happen.

Eight shootings this year. Accidental discharges in school?

I'm sorry, but sending your kids to school where they might get killed by accidental discharges doesn't exactly warm the hearts of parents.

Oh, more than three need to die before anyone gives a ****? Are you kidding me?

You're playing politics, nothing more and nothing less. Redefining what something means to fit your twisted agenda.

Kids are getting killed in schools. Do you not have a problem with this?

Oh, not enough kids died in school, so who cares? That's what the US has come to, it's SICK.

When you have something interesting to say, so that I might reply, let me know, hey?

 

[frigidweirdo]

But just because you can talk them away, doesn't mean they didn't happen.

Eight shootings this year. Accidental discharges in school?

I'm sorry, but sending your kids to school where they might get killed by accidental discharges doesn't exactly warm the hearts of parents.

Oh, more than three need to die before anyone gives a ****? Are you kidding me?

You're playing politics, nothing more and nothing less. Redefining what something means to fit your twisted agenda.

Kids are getting killed in schools. Do you not have a problem with this?

Oh, not enough kids died in school, so who cares? That's what the US has come to, it's SICK.

Again, this the classic leftist tactic of accusing the other side of not thinking of the children if they disagree.

Caring about whether children get shot at school does not require one to agree with the communist agenda.

Oh for ****'s sake.

Why on Earth do you think people are angry?

It's because they send their kids to school and they're worried they might not come home.

This is what the issue is about, in case you forgot your empathy hat this year/life.

 

[depotoo]

Posted before completing. Too bad you care not to discuss unless it furthers your own ideas. One reason I quit attempting to discuss in forums years ago, as people don’t want to discuss.

Did I make any statement regarding how I felt? You asked, I chose to research it and gave you what I found.
Do I feel some they included were less than ingenious? Yes. Surely you do, too.
How many of the actual shootings involved law abiding citizens? How many illegally acquired their guns? What gun laws would change things? In the two major shootings, warnings were given and ignored, one occurred outside an alternative school. Schools ignoring warning signs, law enforcement not arresting these dangerous kids. Schools letting them return amongst their student bodies. Mental health was an issue in many of them.
That seems to be a common denominator in most of these shootings. And our mental health system sucks, particularly for parents with troubled kids.

They are counting intentional shootings of four or more, just as other countries do.
The other list also includes 3 accidental gun discharges with no injuries, one on a college campus, and 3 shootings on college campuses, which included a shooting at a party/wedding rental facility located on a campus. They also included a suicide in a school parking lot by a 31 yr old at a school that had been permanently closed seven months prior. They included a shooting between adults that had been fighting, in a school parking lot after hours. Also included was a suicide in a bathroom. Another included is an after hours robbery gone bad in a school parking lot. A school administrative office was hit by a stray bullet through a window, which the shooter was never located, and no one injured.
And last, a drive by that hit no one.

Two of the shootings, the kids had been kicked out of schooldue to problems, yet later allowed to return. Another in which he even had a hit list that had been reported.

Rare? What is rare?

They're rare in the UK, they haven't had one since 1996. The US has had many this year alone.

School shootings have been declining for two decades. Children are about 100 times more likely to die from drowning in a swimming pool. But the hype has been astronomical. The news loves it, it's good for ratings.

But there's a big difference between accidents and deliberate shootings.

Comparing the two is a little dishonest.

Do you have statistics to show school shooting have been declining for 2 decades?

Study: School Shootings Are Actually Rare and Declining

I've found a webpage that makes the same case as you do. Is it true?

It says there have been 4 school shootings this year. Well, that's a lot in only 3 months.

However is it 4 or are they just making up numbers?

Great Mills, Maryland. 2 dead. 17 year old student kills two people in this school.

Huffman High School, Birmingham, Alabama. 1 dead.
A school shooting? Well, no one is being charged with murder. A gun was taken to school, metal detectors were not being used that day, and a student was killed "accidentally." You could argue both ways. The reality is that kids aren't safe at schools and a student died as a result of guns.

Parkland Florida. 17 dead.

Oxon Hill High School, Maryland. No dead. Someone tried to rob someone else in a school parking lot. The shooting happened in a school, no one died.

So I'd guess this website would say it's not a school shooting, even though it was a shooting and it was at school. It wasn't a shooting in the same way as Parkland was. It wasn't a mass killing, but it was a shooting.

Sal Castro Middle School, zero dead. Two students were shot and injured in their classroom. A shooting in a school.

Marshall Country High School, two dead. Shot in the lobby of the school.

NET Charter High School, New Orleans. Zero killed. Shots were fired at students in the parking lot.

Italy High School, Texas, Zero dead. Shots fired but no one killed inside the school cafeteria.

So I've got eight there. How do they get it down to four? Ah, a school shooting is only a school shooting when A) students die and B) the aim of the shooter was to kill lots of random students.

That's rubbish. They're passing off school shootings as not school shootings because it's inconvenient for their message.

Give me a break.

So, their evidence that school shootings have been declining. I don't trust a single thing they say about school shootings, to be honest.

But just because you can talk them away, doesn't mean they didn't happen.

Eight shootings this year. Accidental discharges in school?

I'm sorry, but sending your kids to school where they might get killed by accidental discharges doesn't exactly warm the hearts of parents.

Oh, more than three need to die before anyone gives a ****? Are you kidding me?

You're playing politics, nothing more and nothing less. Redefining what something means to fit your twisted agenda.

Kids are getting killed in schools. Do you not have a problem with this?

Oh, not enough kids died in school, so who cares? That's what the US has come to, it's SICK.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Perspective | School shootings are extraordinarily rare. Why is fear of them driving policy?

Fear of school shootings shouldn't be driving policy.

It isn't.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Oh for ****'s sake.

Why on Earth do you think people are angry?

It's because they send their kids to school and they're worried they might not come home.

This is what the issue is about, in case you forgot your empathy hat this year/life.

But, don't sit there and say we don't care about the children when we REFUSE to disarm. The two are not dependent.

 

[Stormy Daniels]

So, their evidence that school shootings have been declining. I don't trust a single thing they say about school shootings, to be honest.

Of course not. Who needs evidence when you can make things up that fit your political goals?

Evidence? What ******* evidence have you provided exactly?

Wait..... the only evidence you've provided is what you pulled out of your ass.

Don't lecture me on stuff you don't actually do.

You're the one who pulled up the evidence yourself. And you promptly declared that you just don't believe it.

 

[Camp]

Oh for ****'s sake.

Why on Earth do you think people are angry?

It's because they send their kids to school and they're worried they might not come home.

This is what the issue is about, in case you forgot your empathy hat this year/life.

But, don't sit there and say we don't care about the children when we REFUSE to disarm. The two are not dependent.

You are not being asked to disarm. Just the red meat talking point used over and over to scare and trick dupes and suckers.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

You are not being asked to disarm. Just the red meat talking point used over and over to scare and trick dupes and suckers.

This is a lie.

We do not believe you.

If you are not trying to disarm me, why are you trying to disarm me?

BULLSHIT, okay?

We DO NOT BELIEVE YOU.

 

[Camp]

You are not being asked to disarm. Just the red meat talking point used over and over to scare and trick dupes and suckers.

This is a lie.

We do not believe you.

If you are not trying to disarm me, why are you trying to disarm me?

BULLSHIT, okay?

We DO NOT BELIEVE YOU.

I do not see anyone trying to disarm me. I know folks who are not allowed to have firearms. I have assured a few of them that if we ever go to war in America I will loan them a pair of my spares.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Because they are extraordinarily deadly

Most people are appauled at the slaughter of children

.....and those who are TRULY appalled approach the subject systematically by understanding all the reasons they are occurring, and not by playing a game of cowboys and Indians style, ultra-partisan polemics.

Perhaps if you were to abandon your little war against all things described to you are conservative or right wing, your mind would be opened to the fact that there are more reasons they occur than your extremely simplified approach is acknowledging.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

I do not see anyone trying to disarm me. I know folks who are not allowed to have firearms. I have assured a few of them that if we ever go to war in America I will loan them a pair of my spares.

Naivety is your right.

 

[Minstrel]

Perspective | School shootings are extraordinarily rare. Why is fear of them driving policy?

Fear of school shootings shouldn't be driving policy.

The kids this weekend made it very clear that it's NOT about just school shootings. I guess some people can only think about one thing at a time, though.

Mind telling me what else it is about? Overall gun violence? That doesn't make any sense, considering We’ve had a massive decline in gun violence in the United States. Here’s why.