Scandinavian countries are not socialist. they're Nordic capitalist

[basquebromance]

They rely on a system known as Nordic capitalism (or the Nordic model). You can favor their method if you want, but at least take the time to learn about the system you're trying to evangelize.

 

[kaz]

They rely on a system known as Nordic capitalism (or the Nordic model). You can favor their method if you want, but at least take the time to learn about the system you're trying to evangelize.

Calling socialism by another name doesn't make it not socialism, Sport

 

[Harpy Eagle]

They rely on a system known as Nordic capitalism (or the Nordic model). You can favor their method if you want, but at least take the time to learn about the system you're trying to evangelize.

Calling socialism by another name doesn't make it not socialism, Sport

If you give it another name then you do not have to admit there are countries where socialism is succeeding currently.

 

[sakinago]

They rely on a system known as Nordic capitalism (or the Nordic model). You can favor their method if you want, but at least take the time to learn about the system you're trying to evangelize.

Calling socialism by another name doesn't make it not socialism, Sport

What makes it’s not socialism, is the fact that all but one of those countries is ranked higher in economic freedom than the US is. Meaning they practice capitalistic free markets more than the US. They have bigger social programs than the US does (ratio to population wise), and their taxes are higher than the US. The US has big social programs too, like social security, Medicare, Medicaid, that doesn’t make us socialist either. The Nordic countries that Bernie and AOC point too as examples are far cry’s from what Bernie and AOC are publicly saying they want to implement. You should probably learn what socialism actually is before hailing it as the best system ever, and pointing at freer market capitalist countries as your proof. Whoops.

 

[sakinago]

They rely on a system known as Nordic capitalism (or the Nordic model). You can favor their method if you want, but at least take the time to learn about the system you're trying to evangelize.

Calling socialism by another name doesn't make it not socialism, Sport

If you give it another name then you do not have to admit there are countries where socialism is succeeding currently.

Yea, proposing plans that cost 10 trillion more than the amount of money circulating across the globe is a great idea.

America might be ready for democratic socialism. It’s not ready for the bill.

Before you try an ad hominem attack, Vox is about as left leaning as they come...

 

[kaz]

They rely on a system known as Nordic capitalism (or the Nordic model). You can favor their method if you want, but at least take the time to learn about the system you're trying to evangelize.

Calling socialism by another name doesn't make it not socialism, Sport

What makes it’s not socialism, is the fact that all but one of those countries is ranked higher in economic freedom than the US is. Meaning they practice capitalistic free markets more than the US. They have bigger social programs than the US does (ratio to population wise), and their taxes are higher than the US. The US has big social programs too, like social security, Medicare, Medicaid, that doesn’t make us socialist either. The Nordic countries that Bernie and AOC point too as examples are far cry’s from what Bernie and AOC are publicly saying they want to implement. You should probably learn what socialism actually is before hailing it as the best system ever, and pointing at freer market capitalist countries as your proof. Whoops.

That's just moronic Marxist rhetoric. Sure, Sport. The bourgeois are oppressing the proletariat. Workers of the world unite!

I think my favorite stupid Marxist trick is when you claim that socialism is more capitalist than capitalism! Yeah, right

 

[Harpy Eagle]

They rely on a system known as Nordic capitalism (or the Nordic model). You can favor their method if you want, but at least take the time to learn about the system you're trying to evangelize.

Calling socialism by another name doesn't make it not socialism, Sport

If you give it another name then you do not have to admit there are countries where socialism is succeeding currently.

Yea, proposing plans that cost 10 trillion more than the amount of money circulating across the globe is a great idea.

America might be ready for democratic socialism. It’s not ready for the bill.

Before you try an ad hominem attack, Vox is about as left leaning as they come...

Non sequitur much?

Just because I can admit something is working in a different country does not mean I want to do it here. Partisanship makes people so damn illogical.

I can admit that the Paleo diet seems to work for people without wanting to do it for myself.

But I am glad to see you chose a source that matches your political leaning

 

[SassyIrishLass]

LOL Venezuela blew up so now they are focusing on Nordic countries. Loons

 

[Muhammed]

They rely on a system known as Nordic capitalism (or the Nordic model). You can favor their method if you want, but at least take the time to learn about the system you're trying to evangelize.

Calling socialism by another name doesn't make it not socialism, Sport

They simply are not socialist countries, period.

They are liberal democracies with market economies.

In socialist countries the means of production and distribution of goods is controlled by the state.

 

[sakinago]

They rely on a system known as Nordic capitalism (or the Nordic model). You can favor their method if you want, but at least take the time to learn about the system you're trying to evangelize.

Calling socialism by another name doesn't make it not socialism, Sport

What makes it’s not socialism, is the fact that all but one of those countries is ranked higher in economic freedom than the US is. Meaning they practice capitalistic free markets more than the US. They have bigger social programs than the US does (ratio to population wise), and their taxes are higher than the US. The US has big social programs too, like social security, Medicare, Medicaid, that doesn’t make us socialist either. The Nordic countries that Bernie and AOC point too as examples are far cry’s from what Bernie and AOC are publicly saying they want to implement. You should probably learn what socialism actually is before hailing it as the best system ever, and pointing at freer market capitalist countries as your proof. Whoops.

That's just moronic Marxist rhetoric. Sure, Sport. The bourgeois are oppressing the proletariat. Workers of the world unite!

I think my favorite stupid Marxist trick is when you claim that socialism is more capitalist than capitalism! Yeah, right

What planet do you live on? This has to be one of the most bizarre responses I have ever seen. Hey everyone, PSA, the people who make posts like this are the same that want socialism. Marx said socialism is just a stepping stone to communism...like do you know who Marx is? Marx is for socialism, I’m just dumbfounded by this post. None of those Nordic countries will tell you they are socialist countries, they will all say we are capitalist countries. Why, because they are capitalist countries. A socialist country would be one like Venezuela or Cuba. Not so pretty. Once again, they have larger social programs than the US does. The US also has social programs. There is a difference between social programs, and socialism. What Bernie and AOC call for is what we see in Venezuela and Cuba, except they bait and switch Cuba and Venezuela with Nordic countries as examples of “democratic socialism.” The Nordic countries are not “democratic socialist” countries. In fact Vladimir Lenin coined the term that he’s a democratic socialist when he began the “glorious revolution” as not to scare people away from him being a full blown communist.

 

[JakeStarkey]

1. How Sweden created a model economy
   sweden.se/.../how-sweden-created-a-model-economy
   Sweden’s economy was sometimes dismissed as ‘socialist’, but now it is held up as an example of capitalism done right. How does Sweden do it?
   
   
2. The Economy Of Sweden - WorldAtlas.com
   www.worldatlas.com/.../the-economy-of-sweden.html
   Sweden has a developed export-oriented economy heavily dependent on timber, hydropower, and iron ore.
   

 

[there4eyeM]

What could be said is that these 'Nordic' countries are practicing eclecticism. That is intelligent. The U.S. should do more of it.

 

[sakinago]

They rely on a system known as Nordic capitalism (or the Nordic model). You can favor their method if you want, but at least take the time to learn about the system you're trying to evangelize.

Calling socialism by another name doesn't make it not socialism, Sport

If you give it another name then you do not have to admit there are countries where socialism is succeeding currently.

Yea, proposing plans that cost 10 trillion more than the amount of money circulating across the globe is a great idea.

America might be ready for democratic socialism. It’s not ready for the bill.

Before you try an ad hominem attack, Vox is about as left leaning as they come...

Non sequitur much?

Just because I can admit something is working in a different country does not mean I want to do it here. Partisanship makes people so damn illogical.

I can admit that the Paleo diet seems to work for people without wanting to do it for myself.

But I am glad to see you chose a source that matches your political leaning

Oh god...again the people calling for socialism are the ones who don’t even know what socialism is. You can’t point to a pelican flying and say “see told you pigs could fly.” Nordic countries are capatilistic countries. Capatalistic countries with bigger SOCIAL PROGRAMS, and higher taxes. The US also has big social programs, both are not SOCIALIST countries. By YOUR metric of what constitutes a socialist country, every single country with a social welfare program would be a socialist country. Which would be almost every single country in the world with the exception of MAYBE dumpster fire governments like Somalia.

Even in the one example in Norway where they nationalized the oil industry, the government is not to get involved with how the business is run. They are just shareholders of the still very much profit seeking oil industry, they just want a piece of the action.

 

[buckeye45_73]

They rely on a system known as Nordic capitalism (or the Nordic model). You can favor their method if you want, but at least take the time to learn about the system you're trying to evangelize.

Calling socialism by another name doesn't make it not socialism, Sport

If you give it another name then you do not have to admit there are countries where socialism is succeeding currently.

It's not. They had a homogenous rich country and went to socialism. Its failing. They have already looked to dump these programs and now with immigration, the right wing party is about to take control...….and if you think Trump is tough on immigration...wait til you get a load of sweedens far right.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

They rely on a system known as Nordic capitalism (or the Nordic model). You can favor their method if you want, but at least take the time to learn about the system you're trying to evangelize.

Calling socialism by another name doesn't make it not socialism, Sport

If you give it another name then you do not have to admit there are countries where socialism is succeeding currently.

Yea, proposing plans that cost 10 trillion more than the amount of money circulating across the globe is a great idea.

America might be ready for democratic socialism. It’s not ready for the bill.

Before you try an ad hominem attack, Vox is about as left leaning as they come...

Non sequitur much?

Just because I can admit something is working in a different country does not mean I want to do it here. Partisanship makes people so damn illogical.

I can admit that the Paleo diet seems to work for people without wanting to do it for myself.

But I am glad to see you chose a source that matches your political leaning

Oh god...again the people calling for socialism are the ones who don’t even know what socialism is. You can’t point to a pelican flying and say “see told you pigs could fly.” Nordic countries are capatilistic countries. Capatalistic countries with bigger SOCIAL PROGRAMS, and higher taxes. The US also has big social programs, both are not SOCIALIST countries. By YOUR metric of what constitutes a socialist country, every single country with a social welfare program would be a socialist country. Which would be almost every single country in the world with the exception of MAYBE dumpster fire governments like Somalia.

Even in the one example in Norway where they nationalized the oil industry, the government is not to get involved with how the business is run. They are just shareholders of the still very much profit seeking oil industry, they just want a piece of the action.

It is not my metric, it is the metric used daily by the far right people to scare people into voting for them.

By your metric, even Venezuela is not a socialist country as they have a global capitalist market system and most of their enterprises are privately-owned and profit seeking.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

They rely on a system known as Nordic capitalism (or the Nordic model). You can favor their method if you want, but at least take the time to learn about the system you're trying to evangelize.

Calling socialism by another name doesn't make it not socialism, Sport

If you give it another name then you do not have to admit there are countries where socialism is succeeding currently.

It's not. They had a homogenous rich country and went to socialism. Its failing. They have already looked to dump these programs and now with immigration, the right wing party is about to take control...….and if you think Trump is tough on immigration...wait til you get a load of sweedens far right.

Please explain to me how Norway's economy is failing.

 

[sakinago]

They rely on a system known as Nordic capitalism (or the Nordic model). You can favor their method if you want, but at least take the time to learn about the system you're trying to evangelize.

Calling socialism by another name doesn't make it not socialism, Sport

If you give it another name then you do not have to admit there are countries where socialism is succeeding currently.

Yea, proposing plans that cost 10 trillion more than the amount of money circulating across the globe is a great idea.

America might be ready for democratic socialism. It’s not ready for the bill.

Before you try an ad hominem attack, Vox is about as left leaning as they come...

Non sequitur much?

Just because I can admit something is working in a different country does not mean I want to do it here. Partisanship makes people so damn illogical.

I can admit that the Paleo diet seems to work for people without wanting to do it for myself.

But I am glad to see you chose a source that matches your political leaning

Also I don’t think you know what a non sequitar is. You maybe could’ve claimed a strawman. My point however, and the overall point of this entire thread, is that what Bernie is calling for isn’t what the Nordic countries he points too are. Bernie is a socialist who bashes capitalism, the Nordic countries are capitalist countries.

An example of a non sequitur would be. Jane is happy today, Jane is happy because she won 10 dollars from the lottery. When in reality Jane is happy because she got engaged that day. Not seeing how I made that same mistake.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

They rely on a system known as Nordic capitalism (or the Nordic model). You can favor their method if you want, but at least take the time to learn about the system you're trying to evangelize.

Calling socialism by another name doesn't make it not socialism, Sport

If you give it another name then you do not have to admit there are countries where socialism is succeeding currently.

Yea, proposing plans that cost 10 trillion more than the amount of money circulating across the globe is a great idea.

America might be ready for democratic socialism. It’s not ready for the bill.

Before you try an ad hominem attack, Vox is about as left leaning as they come...

Non sequitur much?

Just because I can admit something is working in a different country does not mean I want to do it here. Partisanship makes people so damn illogical.

I can admit that the Paleo diet seems to work for people without wanting to do it for myself.

But I am glad to see you chose a source that matches your political leaning

Also I don’t think you know what a non sequitar is. You maybe could’ve claimed a strawman. My point however, and the overall point of this entire thread, is that what Bernie is calling for isn’t what the Nordic countries he points too are. Bernie is a socialist who bashes capitalism, the Nordic countries are capitalist countries.

An example of a non sequitur would be. Jane is happy today, Jane is happy because she won 10 dollars from the lottery. When in reality Jane is happy because she got engaged that day. Not seeing how I made that same mistake.

It might be you that does not know what a Non Sequitur is...

a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement.

your conclusion that I supported democratic socialism was a conclusion that did not logically follow from my statement...

 

[Harpy Eagle]

They rely on a system known as Nordic capitalism (or the Nordic model). You can favor their method if you want, but at least take the time to learn about the system you're trying to evangelize.

Calling socialism by another name doesn't make it not socialism, Sport

They simply are not socialist countries, period.

They are liberal democracies with market economies.

In socialist countries the means of production and distribution of goods is controlled by the state.

In which country in the world today are means of production and distribution of goods controlled totally by the state?

 

[sakinago]

Calling socialism by another name doesn't make it not socialism, Sport

If you give it another name then you do not have to admit there are countries where socialism is succeeding currently.

Yea, proposing plans that cost 10 trillion more than the amount of money circulating across the globe is a great idea.

America might be ready for democratic socialism. It’s not ready for the bill.

Before you try an ad hominem attack, Vox is about as left leaning as they come...

Non sequitur much?

Just because I can admit something is working in a different country does not mean I want to do it here. Partisanship makes people so damn illogical.

I can admit that the Paleo diet seems to work for people without wanting to do it for myself.

But I am glad to see you chose a source that matches your political leaning

Oh god...again the people calling for socialism are the ones who don’t even know what socialism is. You can’t point to a pelican flying and say “see told you pigs could fly.” Nordic countries are capatilistic countries. Capatalistic countries with bigger SOCIAL PROGRAMS, and higher taxes. The US also has big social programs, both are not SOCIALIST countries. By YOUR metric of what constitutes a socialist country, every single country with a social welfare program would be a socialist country. Which would be almost every single country in the world with the exception of MAYBE dumpster fire governments like Somalia.

Even in the one example in Norway where they nationalized the oil industry, the government is not to get involved with how the business is run. They are just shareholders of the still very much profit seeking oil industry, they just want a piece of the action.

It is not my metric, it is the metric used daily by the far right people to scare people into voting for them.

By your metric, even Venezuela is not a socialist country as they have a global capitalist market system and most of their enterprises are privately-owned and profit seeking.

It is your metric, what other evidence are you pointing too outside of the fact that they have bigger social programs? And yes Venezuela fits into the socialism box, because they took control of and RAN entire INDUSTRIES they deemed “necessary” like oil, media, healthcare, banks, and pretty much any of the big dogs in Venezuela. Nordic countries do not take over and RUN entire industries. The closest example is Norway with its oil, it’s still not run by the government, government is just a shareholder. Venezuela is pretty damn close to what Bernie calls for. Venezuela also states that they are a socialistic country, the Nordic countries do not. Cuba is just a stronger example of a socialistic country, closer to the communist spectrum.