SC Just Stuck It To The Labor Unions

[SeaGal]

From Kagan's dissent: Decision "will have large-scale consequences. Public employee unions will lose a secure source of financial support." Indeed. Indeed they will.

Always fascinating when the 'self-proclaimed' party of choice chooses the path of government-forced association over individual choice - whether it be union membership or school choice or health insurance.

Thankfully I live in a right-to-work state where union membership, or the forced paying of dues, is not required by law as a condition of employment. The Democrats repeatedly try to push legislation they call the 'Employee Free Choice Act' - which is the opposite - taking away the employee's right to a secret ballot.

I don't understand why public employees even need a union - aren't they employed by our government, that fair-minded arbiter of all that is fair and good in the workplace and in the Dr.s office? Isn't it odd - we can trust the government to manage The People's lives, but not be a fair employer.

Although...if we follow the public sector union PAC money - it leads right to the coffers of the DNC. Hmmm...

 

[Brain357]

Another republican win for lower wages.

 

[Weatherman2020]

The Trump SCOTUS is sure smacking the Leftards around. Can't wait for Ginsburgs replacement.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

1. I don't eat Cheetos.
2. I have never been on welfare or received foot stamps.
3. I am against have a few companies to choose from while they control the market and raise prices.
4. I probably have a higher education level than you.
5. I am retired. (so when I'm on here, I am not stealing from my employer)

Education? I doubt it but I will say schooling doesn't make a person smart or wise necessarily. Bill Gates comes to mind.
Congrats on not being on welfare (if true) is your spouse?

THEY don't control the market...YOU do....by subscribing to their services. Is cable "essential" ?
If you've never owned and operated a profitable business as your sole source of income for more than 3 years, you might
think socialism is the only way forward.

 

[jknowgood]

And here I thought republicans were all for unions these days,.

ROFLMAO! "republicans" In what country?

Trump country

Trump really is in your head 24/7, get a life. You sit on here all day whining about Trump. Even though he is doing an excellent job.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Another republican win for lower wages.

 

[Penelope]

Breaking on FOX news right now. The US Supreme Court just ruled that non-union members can't be extorted by the unions. That's really going to hurt the Democrat's piggy bank.

Another day of WINNING!

Another bad day for workers. Soon expect slave labor, no healthcare, everything for the business and corps.

If Trump is so patriotic why does he not have factories , he and Ivanka in the US, because he is not.

"Soon expect slave labor, no healthcare, everything for the business and corps."

No that is not what Right-Wingers want, that is what The International Globalists want, that is the reason they fanatically are pushing the Open Borders thing to flood Western nations with Third Worlders, they essentially being low skilled or no skilled are designed to be used as slave labour so the Big Corporations can pay the lowest of wages and make more profit. I am against Big Corporations, including the Big Banks, I would support action being taken against them, they have much too great power they should have their legs chopped so they become dwarfs, this way medium size businesses and small businesses could once again prosper like they used to do in the 1940s-1960s.

I hope you see the irony in what you just said there. As an institution becomes larger and larger, it affects more and more people and things around and within it. It's reach and it's impact grows. Simultaneously, it will operate in ways that justify it's continued growth first and foremost with collateral damage/impact on the things and people around and within it. It's possible that it makes decisions that also help those around/within it as well, but it seems more to be the former.

This can be said of big corporations but also government. As corporations have grown, so has government. They have a symbiotic relationship at this point where one rubs the others back. It's why there's so much money in politics from big businesses: they know big government props them up in part by keeping competition suppressed.

I might be putting words in your mouth, but "taking against against" sounds like government intervention. As already stated, big government has no interest in hurting big business, and even if big government did, then hurting big business is counter productive. If you want to check big business, you need to make it as easy as possible for competitors to arise and challenge them in the marketplace.

Lastly, a government big enough to destroy big business is just another big, unaccountable entity that can destroy anything it wants. Who here wants Trump presiding over a government that can and will destroy anything it wants?

The American system of Big Government in the bed with Big Corporations is corrupt and rotten, it would be nice if somehow for the American peoples benefit it was returned to how it was when Jefferson, Lincoln, Grant, Jackson etc were American President. Also some of America's previous great Presidents forewarned the American peoples about what would occur IF the Government got so far in the bed with Big Corporations, Andrew Jackson and Dwight Eisenhower for example both forewarned and the last American President that did this was John F. Kennedy and of course look what happened to him.

To cleanse the corrupt and rotten system you have to remove the Big Corporate Lobbyists and the Big Corporate money completely from your entire election process, because they're purchasing not only politicians, but they're purchasing your entire system of Government and those who are elected Head Puppet, which is President, are beholden to only the Corporate Paymasters, the American people mean little in such situations. The Donald is attempting to give back some power and control to the American peoples and this is why he is being combatted against on multiple levels.

America has a document written that begins We The People, the American Government is supposed to be Of The People and For The People, it does not state Of The Military Industrial Complex/Goldman Sachs/Exxon Mobile/J.P. Morgan etc and For The Military Industrial Complex/Goldman Sachs/Exxon Mobile/J.P. Morgan etc.

I agree, yes look at happened to JFK and RFK, I am sorry but I see the Don totally different. He is for pro big business, all his cabinet are rich, and believe me he is not for the working man. The Don is even giving more to the MIC.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Breaking on FOX news right now. The US Supreme Court just ruled that non-union members can't be extorted by the unions. That's really going to hurt the Democrat's piggy bank.

Another day of WINNING!

Another bad day for workers. Soon expect slave labor, no healthcare, everything for the business and corps.

If Trump is so patriotic why does he not have factories , he and Ivanka in the US, because he is not.

"Soon expect slave labor, no healthcare, everything for the business and corps."

No that is not what Right-Wingers want, that is what The International Globalists want, that is the reason they fanatically are pushing the Open Borders thing to flood Western nations with Third Worlders, they essentially being low skilled or no skilled are designed to be used as slave labour so the Big Corporations can pay the lowest of wages and make more profit. I am against Big Corporations, including the Big Banks, I would support action being taken against them, they have much too great power they should have their legs chopped so they become dwarfs, this way medium size businesses and small businesses could once again prosper like they used to do in the 1940s-1960s.

I hope you see the irony in what you just said there. As an institution becomes larger and larger, it affects more and more people and things around and within it. It's reach and it's impact grows. Simultaneously, it will operate in ways that justify it's continued growth first and foremost with collateral damage/impact on the things and people around and within it. It's possible that it makes decisions that also help those around/within it as well, but it seems more to be the former.

This can be said of big corporations but also government. As corporations have grown, so has government. They have a symbiotic relationship at this point where one rubs the others back. It's why there's so much money in politics from big businesses: they know big government props them up in part by keeping competition suppressed.

I might be putting words in your mouth, but "taking against against" sounds like government intervention. As already stated, big government has no interest in hurting big business, and even if big government did, then hurting big business is counter productive. If you want to check big business, you need to make it as easy as possible for competitors to arise and challenge them in the marketplace.

Lastly, a government big enough to destroy big business is just another big, unaccountable entity that can destroy anything it wants. Who here wants Trump presiding over a government that can and will destroy anything it wants?

All Big Government is a negative thing, in general a Government should be as compact as possible and not be allowed to grow into something massive, this is the same for Big Corporations because they destroy medium size businesses and small business, there should be NO Big Corporation money in politics, because there is and in America it is out of control the American politicians of BOTH political parties are beholden to their Big Corporation pay masters, essentially they do not give a CRAP about the peoples who voted for them, they illustrate this when some crucial vote appears and they vote AGAINST the interest of the peoples and FOR the interests of the Big Corporations.

So are you in favor of government deciding when a company gets too big and therefore busting it up using force?

In support 100% of that Government getting hold of The Military Industrial Complex and busting it up using force, President Dwight Eisenhower warned about what would occur IF the Government got so far in bed with The Military Industrial Complex that effectively they start to take over running massive sections of the American Government, which they have, Dwight Eisenhower's warning was ignored.

 

[Some Guy]

Breaking on FOX news right now. The US Supreme Court just ruled that non-union members can't be extorted by the unions. That's really going to hurt the Democrat's piggy bank.

Another day of WINNING!

Another bad day for workers. Soon expect slave labor, no healthcare, everything for the business and corps.

If Trump is so patriotic why does he not have factories , he and Ivanka in the US, because he is not.

"Soon expect slave labor, no healthcare, everything for the business and corps."

No that is not what Right-Wingers want, that is what The International Globalists want, that is the reason they fanatically are pushing the Open Borders thing to flood Western nations with Third Worlders, they essentially being low skilled or no skilled are designed to be used as slave labour so the Big Corporations can pay the lowest of wages and make more profit. I am against Big Corporations, including the Big Banks, I would support action being taken against them, they have much too great power they should have their legs chopped so they become dwarfs, this way medium size businesses and small businesses could once again prosper like they used to do in the 1940s-1960s.

I hope you see the irony in what you just said there. As an institution becomes larger and larger, it affects more and more people and things around and within it. It's reach and it's impact grows. Simultaneously, it will operate in ways that justify it's continued growth first and foremost with collateral damage/impact on the things and people around and within it. It's possible that it makes decisions that also help those around/within it as well, but it seems more to be the former.

This can be said of big corporations but also government. As corporations have grown, so has government. They have a symbiotic relationship at this point where one rubs the others back. It's why there's so much money in politics from big businesses: they know big government props them up in part by keeping competition suppressed.

I might be putting words in your mouth, but "taking against against" sounds like government intervention. As already stated, big government has no interest in hurting big business, and even if big government did, then hurting big business is counter productive. If you want to check big business, you need to make it as easy as possible for competitors to arise and challenge them in the marketplace.

Lastly, a government big enough to destroy big business is just another big, unaccountable entity that can destroy anything it wants. Who here wants Trump presiding over a government that can and will destroy anything it wants?

The American system of Big Government in the bed with Big Corporations is corrupt and rotten, it would be nice if somehow for the American peoples benefit it was returned to how it was when Jefferson, Lincoln, Grant, Jackson etc were American President. Also some of America's previous great Presidents forewarned the American peoples about what would occur IF the Government got so far in the bed with Big Corporations, Andrew Jackson and Dwight Eisenhower for example both forewarned and the last American President that did this was John F. Kennedy and of course look what happened to him.

To cleanse the corrupt and rotten system you have to remove the Big Corporate Lobbyists and the Big Corporate money completely from your entire election process, because they're purchasing not only politicians, but they're purchasing your entire system of Government and those who are elected Head Puppet, which is President, are beholden to only the Corporate Paymasters, the American people mean little in such situations. The Donald is attempting to give back some power and control to the American peoples and this is why he is being combatted against on multiple levels.

America has a document written that begins We The People, the American Government is supposed to be Of The People and For The People, it does not state Of The Military Industrial Complex/Goldman Sachs/Exxon Mobile/J.P. Morgan etc and For The Military Industrial Complex/Goldman Sachs/Exxon Mobile/J.P. Morgan etc.

I agree. All we can do is elect people in who espouse liberty in all it's forms, including liberty from government perverted by big corporate interests. Even if we could have government force itself to enact laws that prevent big corporate interest intervention, laws prohibiting how people and entities spend their money isn't the right answer. Enhancing every citizens' individual liberty should be the sole focus of our governing bodies.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

The moment a Lefty realizes the majority really DO see them as loons........

Priceless.

 

[August West]

And here I thought republicans were all for unions these days, what with bragging about the tariffs and Trump parading them around.

I can't speak for all Republicans, but personally, unions suck. They're corrupt, they drive companies out of the country, and they extort money from workers.

The $40 a month I spent in union dues every month was an excellent investment. Retired from a steel mill at the age of 53 with a 40K buyout with pension and medical benefits. The company did not leave the country. Personally JG, I think you have union envy and I can understand that. The 29 coal miners that Mr. Blankenship killed in WV may still be with us if they had a union to give them a voice.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Wow.

Supreme Court rules non-union workers cannot be forced to pay fees to public sector unions

Supreme Court rules in Janus labor union case

/----/ Do you think there will be any retirements?
Retirement speculation shadows court’s final day

I hope so.

 

[Fang]

It seems like the right decision. Why should non-Union members be forced to pay. But again, 5-4? What are these Liberal judges doing???

 

[August West]

From Kagan's dissent: Decision "will have large-scale consequences. Public employee unions will lose a secure source of financial support." Indeed. Indeed they will.

Always fascinating when the 'self-proclaimed' party of choice chooses the path of government-forced association over individual choice - whether it be union membership or school choice or health insurance.

Thankfully I live in a right-to-work state where union membership, or the forced paying of dues, is not required by law as a condition of employment. The Democrats repeatedly try to push legislation they call the 'Employee Free Choice Act' - which is the opposite - taking away the employee's right to a secret ballot.

I don't understand why public employees even need a union - aren't they employed by our government, that fair-minded arbiter of all that is fair and good in the workplace and in the Dr.s office? Isn't it odd - we can trust the government to manage The People's lives, but not be a fair employer.

Although...if we follow the public sector union PAC money - it leads right to the coffers of the DNC. Hmmm...

Perhaps if the GOP wasn`t so anti worker some of the money would go to their coffers. Why would someone who doesn`t like being a union member want to work in a unionized shop? Do they think good wages and benefits come via the generosity of the plantation owners? Are all republicans that stupid?

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

The $40 a month I spent in union dues every month was an excellent investment. Retired from a steel mill at the age of 53 with a 40K buyout with pension and medical benefits. The company did not leave the country. Personally JG, I think you have union envy and I can understand that. The 29 coal miners that Mr. Blankenship killed in WV may still be with us if they had a union to give them a voice.

Prove that you wouldn't have done better if the company had not had a union.
The notion that EVERY business owner in America is out to screw their employees is a Democrat myth.
While there are many greedy, selfish business owners (most of them Dims I would guess), many businesses
take very good care of their employees because they WANT good employees to stay and be happy.
I often tied my employees bonus earnings to their productivity, ABOVE their regular pay.

 

[task0778]

This is going to hit public unions pretty hard. When Wisconsin stopped requiring public union employees to pay dues, a lot of them did just that. And that is going to hurt the Democratic Party big time.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

It seems like the right decision. Why should non-Union members be forced to pay. But again, 5-4? What are these Liberal judges doing???

Gorsuch pick is looking like a winner.

 

[Fang]

Good deal! If I read that right, this applies to government unions, correct? If so, they made the right decision.

Why should a non-union worker have to pay anything to a Union they aren't part of?

I think it has something to do with wanting your dues to go to the political party you support.

This is correct. Which proves the 4 Liberal judges who dissented are merely voting on party lines and aren't interpreting the Constitution.

 

[task0778]

It seems like the right decision. Why should non-Union members be forced to pay. But again, 5-4? What are these Liberal judges doing???

If Hillary Clinton had been elected, this decision would have gone the other way. Think about how big a deal that was.

 

[Fang]

It seems like the right decision. Why should non-Union members be forced to pay. But again, 5-4? What are these Liberal judges doing???

Gorsuch pick is looking like a winner.

Imagine that. Trump appointed a judge who is simply interpreting our laws and Constitution.