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[Dorian Mode]

I don't think we can bomb our way to an agreement. We've done enough damage over there. I'm sure the rest of the world looks at us (and Israel) in horror.

They've looked at us in horror for many decades. War is a racket, and always has been. American foreign policy has been hated worldwide for a very long time by almost all countries. Sometimes even Europe. It is pure propaganda that makes typical Americans think the American government and military are loved around the world, especially in the global south. The American way of life is dependent on America imposing its will on the rest of the world. Sounds horrible, and it is, but that is what keeps the American economy going strong. Think of the alternative: What if America didn't protect all the global shipping lanes, didn't push the petrodollar, didn't encourage all trade in USD, and basically stayed out of global affairs?

 

[X.Onasis]

So why did the world do the JCPOA? (To keep Iran from getting nukes.). Trump is just enforcing it.

Nope. That was negotiated over two and a half years by Obama and SOS John Kerry on behalf of the P5+1 (China, France, Germany, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States)
AND it was working. trump the buffoon threw it out because it had Obama's name on it. And now he hopes to get as good a deal as that.
He won't.
The mess he made, by not listening to advisors, has made him look like a fool, and worse, has put Iran in a more powerful position. The only one to have really benefited was pootin.
Shutting the strait has really harmed the global economy, and Iran still has the ability to decimate the ME oil industry.
He's enforcing nothing. This is just another distraction from the epstein files, which will show what a pig he's always been.
Everything he says is a lie. Why do you continue to believe him?

 

[X.Onasis]

They've looked at us in horror for many decades. War is a racket, and always has been. American foreign policy has been hated worldwide for a very long time by almost all countries. Sometimes even Europe. It is pure propaganda that makes typical Americans think the American government and military are loved around the world, especially in the global south. The American way of life is dependent on America imposing its will on the rest of the world. Sounds horrible, and it is, but that is what keeps the American economy going strong. Think of the alternative: What if America didn't protect all the global shipping lanes, didn't push the petrodollar, didn't encourage all trade in USD, and basically stayed out of global affairs?

The US and its military strength have been a reliable actor for stability around the globe until now.
With the buffoon in the WH, he's shown we can no longer be trusted for stability and a halfway decent moral compass.

He's erratic, incompetent, undependable, and absolutely untrustworthy.
He obviously has no idea how diplomacy works and has actually fired all the career experts in favor of suck-ups willing to do his bidding.
There's no reason to trust any deal he proposes.

 

[kyzr]

Nope. That was negotiated over two and a half years by Obama and SOS John Kerry on behalf of the P5+1 (China, France, Germany, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States). AND it was working. trump the buffoon threw it out because it had Obama's name on it. And now he hopes to get as good a deal as that. He won't.
The mess he made, by not listening to advisors, has made him look like a fool, and worse, has put Iran in a more powerful position. The only one to have really benefited was pootin.
Shutting the strait has really harmed the global economy, and Iran still has the ability to decimate the ME oil industry.
He's enforcing nothing. This is just another distraction from the epstein files, which will show what a pig he's always been.
Everything he says is a lie. Why do you continue to believe him?

The JCPOA was a 10-year deal, after which Iran could develop nukes.
Obama did sweeten the pot with $56,000,000,000 to help Iran with development costs
Keep watching, maybe the US blockade will work. Don't be too disappointed.

 

[X.Onasis]

The JCPOA was a 10-year deal, after which Iran could develop nukes.
Obama did sweeten the pot with $56,000,000,000 to help Iran with development costs
Keep watching, maybe the US blockade will work. Don't be too disappointed.

Oh yeah? $56 billion? Got a link for that?

 

[X.Onasis]

The JCPOA was a 10-year deal, after which Iran could develop nukes.
Obama did sweeten the pot with $56,000,000,000 to help Iran with development costs
Keep watching, maybe the US blockade will work. Don't be too disappointed.

Key details regarding the JCPOA's structure and sunset provisions:

• 10–15 Year Sunset Provisions: The deal included constraints on centrifuge manufacturing, R&D, and enrichment levels (3.67% limit) designed to last 10–15 years, not a total expiration in 10 years.
• Preventing Weaponization: The deal's objective was to increase Iran's "breakout time" (time needed to produce enough weapon-grade uranium for one bomb) from 2–3 months to at least one year.
• Post-Expiration Concerns: Critics argued that once these restrictions expired (around 2025–2030), Iran could have increased its enrichment capacity to industrial levels, enabling a "sprint" to a bomb if they chose, which would violate the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) rather than being allowed by the JCPOA itself.
• Permanent Bans: The deal included permanent commitments, such as the prohibition on producing or acquiring weapons-grade plutonium, and required continued adherence to the NPT Additional Protocol.

 

[X.Onasis]

My advice for Trump is if something isn't working try something else.

 

[Moonglow]

So why did the world do the JCPOA? (To keep Iran from getting nukes.). Trump is just enforcing it.

Nope, Trump dumped it.

 

[kyzr]

Oh yeah? $56 billion? Got a link for that?

..as per sworn testimony of Treasury Secretary Jack Lew:

Fact Check: Did the US under Obama give Iran $150 Billion?

U.S. is said to have handed $150 billion to Iran eight years ago, as tensions between the two nations worsen.

www.newsweek.com

Then U.S. Treasury Secretary Jack Lew told Congress in July 2015 that Iran gained access to $56 billion via the agreement, a fact check by PolitiFact in 2018 noted.

 

[kyzr]

Key details regarding the JCPOA's structure and sunset provisions:

• 10–15 Year Sunset Provisions: The deal included constraints on centrifuge manufacturing, R&D, and enrichment levels (3.67% limit) designed to last 10–15 years, not a total expiration in 10 years.
• Preventing Weaponization: The deal's objective was to increase Iran's "breakout time" (time needed to produce enough weapon-grade uranium for one bomb) from 2–3 months to at least one year.
• Post-Expiration Concerns: Critics argued that once these restrictions expired (around 2025–2030), Iran could have increased its enrichment capacity to industrial levels, enabling a "sprint" to a bomb if they chose, which would violate the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) rather than being allowed by the JCPOA itself.
• Permanent Bans: The deal included permanent commitments, such as the prohibition on producing or acquiring weapons-grade plutonium, and required continued adherence to the NPT Additional Protocol.

Yeah but Iran cheated on the JCPOA, so there is that. Iran is twice the size of TX, and they hide stuff in tunnels...

 

[X.Onasis]

..as per sworn testimony of Treasury Secretary Jack Lew:

Fact Check: Did the US under Obama give Iran $150 Billion?

U.S. is said to have handed $150 billion to Iran eight years ago, as tensions between the two nations worsen.

www.newsweek.com

Then U.S. Treasury Secretary Jack Lew told Congress in July 2015 that Iran gained access to $56 billion via the agreement, a fact check by PolitiFact in 2018 noted.

Thanks for that. So it's a bunch of crap. Blowing up $17.5b in returned funds and inflating " CBI foreign exchange assets [..} either obligated in illiquid projects (such as over 50 projects with China) that cannot be monetized quickly, if at all, or are composed of outstanding loans to Iranian entities that cannot repay them," And loan possibilities, into the highest estimate a motivated propagandist could amass.

This was not funding given to Iran. The amount quoted refers to foreign assets that belonged to Iran and were frozen by sanctions imposed to impede its nuclear program. The JCPOA was also an international agreement between Iran and a number of major world powers, including the U.S.

That 17.5 is what came from US withheld funds.

 

[X.Onasis]

Yeah but Iran cheated on the JCPOA, so there is that. Iran is twice the size of TX, and they hide stuff in tunnels...

There were inspections included and conducted until the buffoon withdrew.
Why did he withdraw?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Thanks for that. So it's a bunch of crap. Blowing up $17.5b in returned funds and inflating " CBI foreign exchange assets [..} either obligated in illiquid projects (such as over 50 projects with China) that cannot be monetized quickly, if at all, or are composed of outstanding loans to Iranian entities that cannot repay them," And loan possibilities, into the highest estimate a motivated propagandist could amass.

This was not funding given to Iran. The amount quoted refers to foreign assets that belonged to Iran and were frozen by sanctions imposed to impede its nuclear program. The JCPOA was also an international agreement between Iran and a number of major world powers, including the U.S.

That 17.5 is what came from US withheld funds.

Obama, arguably the stupidest man to have ever sat in the Oval Office, paid the ayatollahs $17 billion dollars, $16,6oo,ooo.ooo interest on $400,000,000 owed to the Shah's government and held by the DoD when the fanatical terrorist ayatollahs held US hostages. This was a major part of the deal, JCPOA, the ayatollahs dictated to Obama.

 

[X.Onasis]

Obama, arguably the stupidest man to have ever sat in the Oval Office, paid the ayatollahs $17 billion dollars, $16,6oo,ooo.ooo interest on $400,000,000 owed to the Shah's government and held by the DoD when the fanatical terrorist ayatollahs held US hostages. This was a major part of the deal, JCPOA, the ayatollahs dictated to Obama.

Nonsense.

From the above article-

In any case, the amount was not American taxpayer money, as perhaps implied by the phrase, "Now we give Iran $150 billion," though it is not entirely clear what "give" may mean in this context.

Whatever the truth of the figure, the deal, which committed Iran to cut back on its nuclear enrichment and development programs, did not only involve the United States. China, Russia, the United Kingdom, France, Germany and the wider European Union bloc all also agreed to lift sanctions on Iran.

Former U.S. President Donald Trump withdrew from the agreement in May 2018. Following the death of General Qassem Soleimani, an Iranian military commander, in a U.S. drone strike in January 2020 that was authorized by Trump, Iran said that it would no longer abide by the terms of the agreement.

 

[kyzr]

This was not funding given to Iran. The amount quoted refers to foreign assets that belonged to Iran and were frozen by sanctions imposed to impede its nuclear program. The JCPOA was also an international agreement between Iran and a number of major world powers, including the U.S.

Learn how to read:
"Then U.S. Treasury Secretary Jack Lew told Congress in July 2015 that Iran gained access to $56 billion via the agreement, a fact check by PolitiFact in 2018 noted."

That 17.5 is what came from US withheld funds.

The JCPOA that Obama agreed to gave Iran access to $56,000,000,000. A very stupid idea. At best it should have been doled out over the 10-years if they were in compliance.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Nonsense.

From the above article-

In any case, the amount was not American taxpayer money, as perhaps implied by the phrase, "Now we give Iran $150 billion," though it is not entirely clear what "give" may mean in this context.

Whatever the truth of the figure, the deal, which committed Iran to cut back on its nuclear enrichment and development programs, did not only involve the United States. China, Russia, the United Kingdom, France, Germany and the wider European Union bloc all also agreed to lift sanctions on Iran.

Former U.S. President Donald Trump withdrew from the agreement in May 2018. Following the death of General Qassem Soleimani, an Iranian military commander, in a U.S. drone strike in January 2020 that was authorized by Trump, Iran said that it would no longer abide by the terms of the agreement.

This in no way contradicts my post, so what is it you are calling nonsense?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Where do you get this kind of fantasy from? You must believe that you have an incredible brain. Must be another Stable Genius.

History Is Groundhog's Day

Americans understand very little about this 100-year-old Jihad and the violent rivalry between the Sunnis and Shiites about which sect would lead it. Yet it happened in Europe, thirty years of bloodbaths over which would be the one and only denomination of Christianity.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I'm sure the rest of the world looks at us (and Israel) in horror.

The Hole Whirled Is Watching

The weakling Muzziphile Judeophobe transnationalist ruling classes can Eat Pigs In Caves.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Learn how to read:
"Then U.S. Treasury Secretary Jack Lew told Congress in July 2015 that Iran gained access to $56 billion via the agreement, a fact check by PolitiFact in 2018 noted."

The JCPOA that Obama agreed to gave Iran access to $56,000,000,000. A very stupid idea. At best it should have been doled out over the 10-years if they were in compliance.

Allahu AkBarack!

The theocratic psychos didn't need A-Bombs as long as they had O-bams.