Zone1 sacraments are unbiblical

[Z99]

The Catholic Church never let go of oral teachings/traditions.

They also created new doctrines, such as praying to "saints" and Mary.

 

[theHawk]

So why does the Catholic Church consider the original Bible to be insufficient?

Why do schools consider text books to be insufficient?

 

[Meriweather]

They also created new doctrines, such as praying to "saints" and Mary.

All prayer goes through the Holy Spirit, whether they are from a single individual, two or more individuals who join in prayer, or entire communities--even nations--joined in prayer.

Question: Why are those who favor solitary prayer so jealous of those who pray together?

 

[Z99]

All prayer goes through the Holy Spirit,

Verse?

Never mind. You don't need the Bible to create doctrines.

 

[Meriweather]

Verse?

Never mind. You don't need the Bible to create doctrines.

Really? How do you create doctrines?

Romans, Corinthians, Ephesians might be worth studying.

 

[Z99]

Really? How do you create doctrines?

Romans, Corinthians, Ephesians might be worth studying.

Catholics don't need those books either. After all, Catholic Catechism > The Scriptures, according to Catholics.

 

[ninja007]

Your belief that Jesus was fully God and fully human makes perfect sense as long as you don't think about it. Thats why I have a problem with it. I think like a living being, always have and always will.

Its not a truth too MYSTERIOUS for the human mind to comprehend. Its just complete bullshit.

Even a child thinking like a human can see that. You have confused faith with obstinate stupidity.

To thinking human beings your sin is as obvious as a white bolder in the middle of a plowed field

The wild beasts of the field must start drooling when they see you coming from a mile away. Rube

Scripture is clear that Jesus is God (John 20:28; Titus 2:13; Hebrews 1:8), and it is equally clear that He is truly human (Romans 1:2–4; 1 John 4:2–3). Jesus claimed the divine name (John 8:58) and did things that only God can do (Mark 2:1–12; Luke 7:48–50). But Jesus also displayed the weaknesses and vulnerabilities common to humanity (Luke 19:41; John 19:28).

 

[Meriweather]

Catholics don't need those books either. After all, Catholic Catechism > The Scriptures, according to Catholics.

Catholics attending Sunday Mass read through the Bible every three years. Those who attend daily Mass read through it yearly. How about you?

Are you aware the Bible supports catechesis, katechoumenos (Catechism)--and that the Catholic Catechism is heavily footnoted with Bible verses? All this without elevating catechism, homilies, and the sign of the cross to the level of scripture.

Since the Catholic faith interests you enough to talk about it over your own faith, what else about it would you like to know?

 

[hobelim]

Scripture is clear that Jesus is God (John 20:28; Titus 2:13; Hebrews 1:8), and it is equally clear that He is truly human (Romans 1:2–4; 1 John 4:2–3).

You quote from the letters of Paul, a rabid anit chiristian persecutor, who taught submission to the governing authorities when Nero was caesar and contradicted Jesus on many issues key to salvation. 1 John 4:2-3, is just saying that Jesus came in the flesh from God, not that he was God

Jesus claimed the divine name (John 8:58)

No.

Jesus answering the question of how he could have "seen" Abraham when he was not yet 50 years old implies he could have "seen" Abraham if he was over 50, which definitively shows that "seeing" Abraham was about understanding Abraham. Jesus saying "before Abraham was born I am" is not claiming the Divine name. Jesus was openly saying that God who existed before Abraham was with Jesus and had revealed things to him about Abraham and was sent by God to openly reveal the hidden meaning of the Law, "To the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

and did things that only God can do (Mark 2:1–12; Luke 7:48–50).

Nonsense.

Teachers worldwide "open the eyes" of students every day and counselors, therapists, doctors, etc., even religious teachers, including ordinary people, friends, lovers, and family, heal the sick, cure the paralyzed, cleanse the unclean, and raise "the dead", deprogram the brainwashed all the time. You professing to believe that the miracles of Jesus were demonstrations of divine power over reality only shows that you understand neither scripture nor the power of my God.

You worship the antichrist, a fabrication of Rome, a false substitute counterfeit Jesus who claimed to be God with all the supernatural miracles of the lie that scripture is to be taken literally.

 

[hobelim]

But Jesus also displayed the weaknesses and vulnerabilities common to humanity (Luke 19:41; John 19:28).

Thats because he was just a man, unremarkable except for the fact that he was chosen by God to reveal the hidden meaning of the law, AND DID IT, in fulfillment of the command for it to be "a light to the nations" because he saw that keeping the meaning of the law secret, which was being done at the time, kept secret even from Jewish laity, was a violation of a direct command of God for the law to be "a light to the nations", meaning for everyone, including their enemies.
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Of the appointment of 'presbyters'

"When these men have undergone, with blamelessness of conduct, a two year preparation in the fundamentals of the community, they shall be segregated as especially sacred among the formal members of the community. Any knowledge which the expositor of the law may posses but which may have to remain arcane to the ordinary layman, he shall not keep hidden from them; for in their case there need be no fear that it might induce apostasy."

Of religious discussion.

No one is to engage in discussion or disputation with men of ill repute; and in the company of froward men everyone is to abstain from talk about (keep hidden) the meaning of the Law.

Dead Sea scrolls, manual of discipline
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Thats why Jesus said,

"No one lights a candle and then hides it under a bushel; they put it on a lampstand so that everyone in the room can see."

Thats why the "authorities" asked "Where did he get this teaching!", not because it was never heard before but because it was supposed to be kept secret, especially from people like Jesus.

NOW YOU KNOW.

 

[BreezeWood]

The saving grace that is granted at the moment of genuine faith is the only saving grace God’s Word calls on us to receive.

is their word spoken or written ... the heavenly religion of antiquity - the triumph of good vs evil - (spoken) granted a&e for their journey's goal for admission to the everlasting as equals ...

“He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.”

jesus is saying trust not what is written, trust only the goal to be achieved is the faith necessary to have success to free ones spirit and be granted final judgement.

 

[ding]

Thats because he was just a man, unremarkable except for the fact that he was chosen by God to reveal the hidden meaning of the law, AND DID IT, in fulfillment of the command for it to be "a light to the nations" because he saw that keeping the meaning of the law secret, which was being done at the time, kept secret even from Jewish laity, was a violation of a direct command of God for the law to be "a light to the nations", meaning for everyone, including their enemies.
____________________________________________________________________________________________________
Of the appointment of 'presbyters'

"When these men have undergone, with blamelessness of conduct, a two year preparation in the fundamentals of the community, they shall be segregated as especially sacred among the formal members of the community. Any knowledge which the expositor of the law may posses but which may have to remain arcane to the ordinary layman, he shall not keep hidden from them; for in their case there need be no fear that it might induce apostasy."

Of religious discussion.

No one is to engage in discussion or disputation with men of ill repute; and in the company of froward men everyone is to abstain from talk about (keep hidden) the meaning of the Law.

Dead Sea scrolls, manual of discipline
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Thats why Jesus said,

"No one lights a candle and then hides it under a bushel; they put it on a lampstand so that everyone in the room can see."

Thats why the "authorities" asked "Where did he get this teaching!", not because it was never heard before but because it was supposed to be kept secret, especially from people like Jesus.

NOW YOU KNOW.

Says the guy who thinks Leviticus 18:22 is a green light for men buggering men. SMH.