Ryan's budget. WTF?

[kitty]

Really? Discarding the earnings cap on Social Security won't help the fund's outlook? Raising taxes on individuals making more than $125k/year won't help the general fund at all? Hell, let's just quit paying taxes altogether since it doesn't help anyway.

 

[kitty]

Oh, I'm all for spending cuts if they make sense.

 

[Meister]

Really? Discarding the earnings cap on Social Security won't help the fund's outlook? Raising taxes on individuals making more than $125k/year won't help the general fund at all? Hell, let's just quit paying taxes altogether since it doesn't help anyway.

Yes....reeeeeally, raising taxes will not make a dent in the 14 trillion dollar deficit. Do the math. You talk about tax increases and don't say shit about spending cuts. Quit being so naive.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

The point you're missing is that I'm supportive of tax increases regardless of its effect on me. None of us paid for the wars and it's time we finally did.

We could seize ALL wealth - not just income, ALL WEALTH - of the top 2% going all the way back to 2001.... Ten years' worth... And the amount collected wouldn't even put a dent in the debt.

It's the spending, stupid!

 

[kitty]

Why would you assume that I'm against spending cuts?

 

[Meister]

Oh, I'm all for spending cuts if they make sense.

What makes sense.....39 billion in a 1.2 trillion dollar budget?

 

[kitty]

I agree! Years and years of unfunded wars really did us in!

 

[Meister]

Why would you assume that I'm against spending cuts?

Because you just talk tax increases

 

[Meister]

I agree! Years and years of unfunded wars really did us in!

Now what? Just blame the past and live with an ever increasing debt? You are very naive.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

I agree! Years and years of unfunded wars really did us in!

The wars are about 1/10th of the debt.

Thanks for playing though.

 

[Lumpy 1]

Lumpy...lumpy....lumpy....I haven't read Obama's budget plan yet.

Well.. isn't that convenient......

 

[Mr Liberty]

Set tax rates where they were before the Bush tax cuts. Would it affect me? I don't know.

You do realize that taxing the rich isn't going to make a dent into the 14 trillion dollar deficit, right?

Yea, but if Obama sets tax rates where they were before the Bush tax cuts. We won't be able to claim that there is no difference in the their policies.

 

[kitty]

10% is in the trillions - quite a lot!

 

[Meister]

Set tax rates where they were before the Bush tax cuts. Would it affect me? I don't know.

You do realize that taxing the rich isn't going to make a dent into the 14 trillion dollar deficit, right?

Yea, but if Obama sets tax rates where they were before the Bush tax cuts. We won't be able to claim that there is no difference in the their policies.

What?

 

[hortysir]

I agree! Years and years of unfunded wars really did us in!

I realize you're new here, Kitty, and it seems you may be legitimately concerned about the debt so I'll go easy on ya.

But you're gonna have to bring something more to the table than MediaMatters' talking points and pointing backwards to Boooooosh!!!

 

[Midnight Marauder]

10% is in the trillions - quite a lot!

90% is a hell of alot more. Get the knives out and let's carve this turkey.

THEN let's start talking revenue.

 

[Meister]

10% is in the trillions - quite a lot!

Actually 10% would roughly 1.4 trillion. How are you going to handle the rest of the 12.6 trillion deficit? Hmmmm?

 

[kitty]

I think we need to talk both at the same time.

 

[kitty]

Meister - I erred. The actual cost of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars is estimated at around $3 trillion, depending on which estimate you use. I shouldn't have used the 10%.

 

[Oddball]

Why would you assume that I'm against spending cuts?

Name some cuts that you'd approve of which don't involve the military.

Not that I don't believe that there are numerous areas of national offense that can't be significantly trimmed...Ask anyone.

Well.....?