Rx for the Democrats

[Mac1958]

No, no, no. Clearly, you didn't get the memo. Democrats lost because Trump voters are poo-poo head bigots. They all hate women and minorities. We just need to get rid of those people. And then, Democrats need to show us how to live properly, and we need to listen! That's what's wrong with America.

Most of what I'm seeing so far is "it's our fault because we're not getting our message across".

Perfectly wrong. They ARE getting their message across. And the message turns off half the country, including some of the minorities they're targeting.

That's what they have to see.

 

[berg80]

I guess you've been asleep for the past 20 or so years. Racism, hatred, violence, and totalitarianism IS the foundation of your party now.

What a frivolous, silly, clownish person you are.

 

[Mac1958]

Unfortunately while it should be easy, it also should have been easy well before they suffered this humiliation. So nothing's changed, really. On both sides of the aisle, the few reasonable minds left in the game are drowned out by the magnitudes of loud mouthed idiots. It's he masses of loud mouthed idiots who have the power. They control the finances, they control the social media engagement rate, they control "lulz" that constitute public opinion in this artificial reality we call the modern day world. The real challenge for Democrats is figuring out the internal politics of trying to herd the idiots among their ranks away from idiotic ideas.

Just because they're lying in a steaming puddle of goo doesn't mean that up is the only place left to go. They can still permeate laterally. And that is, after all, more indicative of their strategic thinking for many years now. So as absurd as it is, they we probably shouldn't be surprised to see that they're still looking to the left and to the right, expecting to find a new path "forward". Democrats are going to have to be hard baked dry into a thin, flaky film before they run out of self destructive options. As it is, we shouldn't be surprised if Democrats continue to lay in a goo for the foreseeable future, surviving off of nothing more than the occasional rain that rehydrates them just enough to think they might stand one more chance.

I'm hoping--hoping, though not necessarily expecting--a fracture may yet occur, and that what sensible Democrats are left might look for a merger with anti-maga Republicans to stake out a new centrist party.

I'm with ya, and I've been hoping for a strong third party for a long time. I donate to the Forward Party. I'm just no longer hoping. If it happens, it happens.

If I had to bet, I don't think the Dems are gonna wake up, even after this. The PC/Identity Politics is in their DNA, and that's tough to scrape off.

 

[berg80]

Most of what I'm seeing so far is "it's our fault because we're not getting our message across".

Perfectly wrong. They ARE getting their message across. And the message turns off half the country, including some of the minorities they're targeting.

That's what they have to see.

I do think it was a bit tone deaf to tout the legit success of Bidenomics when it was not being felt by a large swath of the country. Bringing the country in for a soft landing with no recession after the spike in inflation was nothing short of miraculous.

 

[Mac1958]

I do think it was a bit tone deaf to tout the legit success of Bidenomics when it was not being felt by a large swath of the country.

Yep. They had to walk a narrow line, because they knew that if they acknowledged the pain, they'd be blamed for it.

I don't know for sure why they didn't explain what caused the inflation, but I'm assuming they figured the explanation would have been too complicated. If that's the case, that's on them. They have to trust the people.

 

[berg80]

She's right, of course. But your party lacks the self awareness to change.

Pot.......kettle..............

 

[j-mac]

Spot on.

More than proof that Mac's thread here is a joke when you're approving of it.....

 

[berg80]

Yep. They had to walk a narrow line, because they knew that if they acknowledged the pain, they'd be blamed for it.

I don't know for sure why they didn't explain what caused the inflation, but I'm assuming they figured the explanation would have been too complicated. If that's the case, that's on them. They have to trust the people.

Plus, it was a natural reaction to counter all the lies about the economy under Biden.

 

[berg80]

More than proof that Mac's thread here is a joke when you're approving of it.....

As if I give a shit what you think.

 

[Mac1958]

I think they see that they got thrashed, but they still need to invest in a mirror. They can't seem to consider the possibility that they're doing it wrong. They need to understand that the job of government leaders is to represent the country - not dictate to it.

That's a standard-issue function of ideology. "My tribe has all the answers, self-reflection isn't necessary".

It sure seems to me that ideologues rarely, if ever, consider the potential negative consequences of their actions. Why should they? They've got the only answers.

 

[martybegan]

This is getting a little fucking silly. Now, everywhere I look, I see article titles like "Dems Searching for Answers After Electoral Catastrophe"

Really?

This should be very easy. Now that the party is lying in a steaming puddle of goo, it has nowhere to go but up. And all it will take is two (2) steps:

Step One
Drop the whole destructive Political Correctness/Identity Politics fiasco NOW. Stop dividing Americans into little pieces and pitting them against each other. Stop screaming and intimidating and punishing people for saying what they think. Stop ruining family businesses for refusing to bake a fucking CAKE. Stop deplatforming conservative voices on college campuses. Stop pretending there are 58 (or whatever the number is now) genders. Stop having flamboyant transsexuals read books to parents' young children in class. Apologize for terms like "Toxic Masculinity" and "Cultural Appropriation". You blew it. This was stupid from the start. Fucking DROP IT.

Step Two
Focus like a fucking laser beam on the Middle Class (assuming it isn't too late, and it may be). No, not the Black Middle Class or the Brown Middle Class or the Purple Middle Class or the Gay Middle Class. The AMERICAN MIddle Class. Drop the fucking hyphenations. Come up with some NEW IDEAS that fit a rapidly changing and more competitive global economy. Modify and streamline existing ideas like Unions, Vocational Schools and Retirement Plans. I swear it wouldn't be that difficult.

Anyone who was here before 2016 knows that I was considered evil by the LEFTIES here because I was screaming this every fucking day. I had "Political Correctness Derangement Syndrome". I was called every name in the book and squabbled with every lefty on the board over it. Turns out I was right.

Shell-Shocked Democrats Stumbling For Answers After Loss To Donald Trump

The finger-pointing among Democrats intensified Thursday, with Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) accusing the party of abandoning the working class.

www.huffpost.com

good luck with that.

The problem for people in the middle is how do they know the Dems wont go right back to placating the hard left when they get power back?

 

[j-mac]

As if I give a shit what you think.

You hit that reply button didn't you? Nuff said.....lol

 

[j-mac]

That's a standard-issue function of ideology. "My tribe has all the answers, self-reflection isn't necessary".

It sure seems to me that ideologues rarely, if ever, consider the potential negative consequences of their actions. Why should they? They've got the only answers.

You off suicide watch yet?

 

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[JWBooth]

My plan is to replace you. I never doubted that there were a lot of trash people still around.

Ah, the Big Ed Mustafa approach.

 

[berg80]

I don't know for sure why they didn't explain what caused the inflation,

They could have shown proof of the proximate cause being supply chain disruptions and pointed out post COVID inflation was global. But I doubt people would have listened or cared. Not to mention the loud speaker of RWM lies offering simplistic explanations like.........."it's all Biden's fault."

 

[BluesLegend]

This is getting a little fucking silly. Now, everywhere I look, I see article titles like "Dems Searching for Answers After Electoral Catastrophe"

Really?

This should be very easy. Now that the party is lying in a steaming puddle of goo, it has nowhere to go but up. And all it will take is two (2) steps:

Step One
Drop the whole destructive Political Correctness/Identity Politics fiasco NOW. Stop dividing Americans into little pieces and pitting them against each other. Stop screaming and intimidating and punishing people for saying what they think. Stop ruining family businesses for refusing to bake a fucking CAKE. Stop deplatforming conservative voices on college campuses. Stop pretending there are 58 (or whatever the number is now) genders. Stop having flamboyant transsexuals read books to parents' young children in class. Apologize for terms like "Toxic Masculinity" and "Cultural Appropriation". You blew it. This was stupid from the start. Fucking DROP IT.

Step Two
Focus like a fucking laser beam on the Middle Class (assuming it isn't too late, and it may be). No, not the Black Middle Class or the Brown Middle Class or the Purple Middle Class or the Gay Middle Class. The AMERICAN MIddle Class. Drop the fucking hyphenations. Come up with some NEW IDEAS that fit a rapidly changing and more competitive global economy. Modify and streamline existing ideas like Unions, Vocational Schools and Retirement Plans. I swear it wouldn't be that difficult.

Anyone who was here before 2016 knows that I was considered evil by the LEFTIES here because I was screaming this every fucking day. I had "Political Correctness Derangement Syndrome". I was called every name in the book and squabbled with every lefty on the board over it. Turns out I was right.

Shell-Shocked Democrats Stumbling For Answers After Loss To Donald Trump

The finger-pointing among Democrats intensified Thursday, with Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) accusing the party of abandoning the working class.

www.huffpost.com

Only one problem, as a senior Clinton aide just said, "Democrats are being held hostage by the left". I remember when moderate Democrats dominated and were focused like a laser on the poor and working class. Back then Dems told the left to sit down and shut the hell up. Gradually the left took over the party and pushed the party left. Key to Hillary Clinton's loss in 2008, she started out running as a moderate center Democrat but Obama and the left forced her to shift hard left and the rest is history.

 

[j-mac]

They could have shown proof of the proximate cause being supply chain disruptions and pointed out post COVID inflation was global. But I doubt people would have listened or cared. Not to mention the loud speaker of RWM lies offering simplistic explanations like.........."it's all Biden's fault."

 

[dblack]

Most of what I'm seeing so far is "it's our fault because we're not getting our message across".

That and "voter turnout".

 

[berg80]

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Cool. I hadn't seen a false equivalence in cartoon form before.