Rx for the Democrats

[berg80]

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I do so enjoy your well researched, intellectual approach to refutation.

 

[j-mac]

Most of what I'm seeing so far is "it's our fault because we're not getting our message across".

You mean this didn't work for you?

 

[j-mac]

I do so enjoy your well researched, intellectual approach to refutation.

Truth hurts don't it cock sucker?

 

[dblack]

I'm with ya, and I've been hoping for a strong third party for a long time. I donate to the Forward Party. I'm just no longer hoping. If it happens, it happens.

If I had to bet, I don't think the Dems are gonna wake up, even after this. The PC/Identity Politics is in their DNA, and that's tough to scrape off.

For what it's worth, the Ds and Rs joined forces to squash RCV everywhere they could manage this cycle.

 

[Stormy Daniels]

They could have shown proof of the proximate cause being supply chain disruptions and pointed out post COVID inflation was global. But I doubt people would have listened or cared. Not to mention the loud speaker of RWM lies offering simplistic explanations like.........."it's all Biden's fault."

Democrats have, for a long time, had a problem with assuming complex academic nuance is already known by most people. So they never feel the need to explain their position, or prove their positions. Then, when someone has an opinion that's not based on that complex academic nuance, the response is to basically flame that person's opinion, because they've already assumed that the position/argument/proposal is nothing more than an intentional lie.

Of course, there are may people who do exactly that. But there are also lots of people who simply don't spend all day every day watching the news, researching academic topics they're unfamiliar with, and so on. It seems like Democrats are stuck on this flawed mindset that the public has some kind of duty to find the sense in whatever Democrats are offering.

 

[dblack]

Democrats have, for a long time, had a problem with assuming complex academic nuance is already known by most people. So they never feel the need to explain their position, or prove their positions. Then, when someone has an opinion that's not based on that complex academic nuance, the response is to basically flame that person's opinion, because they've already assumed that the position/argument/proposal is nothing more than an intentional lie.

Of course, there are may people who do exactly that. But there are also lots of people who simply don't spend all day every day watching the news, researching academic topics they're unfamiliar with, and so on. It seems like Democrats are stuck on this flawed mindset that the public has some kind of duty to find the sense in whatever Democrats are offering.

And, rightly or wrongly, that's receive as "we-know-better" arrogance. I think rather rightly.

 

[marvin martian]

Why do you pay attention to transsexual journalists?

The really creepy part is that Mac1958 felt the need to mention it, instead of just sharing the person's thoughts.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Democrats have, for a long time, had a problem with assuming complex academic nuance is already known by most people. So they never feel the need to explain their position, or prove their positions. Then, when someone has an opinion that's not based on that complex academic nuance, the response is to basically flame that person's opinion, because they've already assumed that the position/argument/proposal is nothing more than an intentional lie.

Of course, there are may people who do exactly that. But there are also lots of people who simply don't spend all day every day watching the news, researching academic topics they're unfamiliar with, and so on. It seems like Democrats are stuck on this flawed mindset that the public has some kind of duty to find the sense in whatever Democrats are offering.

They think they know everything.....but, they know very little and look down upon people.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

This is getting a little fucking silly. Now, everywhere I look, I see article titles like "Dems Searching for Answers After Electoral Catastrophe"

Really?

This should be very easy. Now that the party is lying in a steaming puddle of goo, it has nowhere to go but up. And all it will take is two (2) steps:

Step One
Drop the whole destructive Political Correctness/Identity Politics fiasco NOW. Stop dividing Americans into little pieces and pitting them against each other. Stop screaming and intimidating and punishing people for saying what they think. Stop ruining family businesses for refusing to bake a fucking CAKE. Stop deplatforming conservative voices on college campuses. Stop pretending there are 58 (or whatever the number is now) genders. Stop having flamboyant transsexuals read books to parents' young children in class. Apologize for terms like "Toxic Masculinity" and "Cultural Appropriation". You blew it. This was stupid from the start. Fucking DROP IT.

Step Two
Focus like a fucking laser beam on the Middle Class (assuming it isn't too late, and it may be). No, not the Black Middle Class or the Brown Middle Class or the Purple Middle Class or the Gay Middle Class. The AMERICAN MIddle Class. Drop the fucking hyphenations. Come up with some NEW IDEAS that fit a rapidly changing and more competitive global economy. Modify and streamline existing ideas like Unions, Vocational Schools and Retirement Plans. I swear it wouldn't be that difficult.

Anyone who was here before 2016 knows that I was considered evil by the LEFTIES here because I was screaming this every fucking day. I had "Political Correctness Derangement Syndrome". I was called every name in the book and squabbled with every lefty on the board over it. Turns out I was right.

Shell-Shocked Democrats Stumbling For Answers After Loss To Donald Trump

The finger-pointing among Democrats intensified Thursday, with Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) accusing the party of abandoning the working class.

www.huffpost.com

You can't talk sense into crazy people. It will take responsible leadership within the Democratic Party to stop the pandering to the extremes of their base, but as long as the AOC's, the Joy Reids, the Rachel Maddows, The Medhi Hasans, and the Joy Behars have the loudest voices, I don't know how that's going to be possible. Plus, the problem goes much further than that. It's infested educational institutions. Harvard cancelled classes Wednesday to give students a mental health day and cope with the election results. This is fucking Harvard, for God's sake. This cancer needs to be rooted out of the leadership of all of these institutions across the board.

 

[Mac1958]

Democrats have, for a long time, had a problem with assuming complex academic nuance is already known by most people. So they never feel the need to explain their position, or prove their positions. Then, when someone has an opinion that's not based on that complex academic nuance, the response is to basically flame that person's opinion, because they've already assumed that the position/argument/proposal is nothing more than an intentional lie.

Of course, there are may people who do exactly that. But there are also lots of people who simply don't spend all day every day watching the news, researching academic topics they're unfamiliar with, and so on. It seems like Democrats are stuck on this flawed mindset that the public has some kind of duty to find the sense in whatever Democrats are offering.

I think that's very true, and it directly led to the increase in well-earned resentment towards the Left.

However, I think it's also true that the American Right media has carved itself out its own informational ecosystem, its own Dunning-Kruger breeding ground, that makes it all but impossible to have an informed, calm, intelligent conversation with people on that end.

Each side of this has played its role. I saw something a few years ago that concerned me so much that I still think about it: Is it possible that it has been so long that we've communicated that we have lost the capacity to do so? Like muscles, it's a "use it or lose it" situation?

 

[marvin martian]

On the other side you have people who vote for a convicted fraudster, sexual abuser and someone who wanted to over throw democracy when he lost. Maybe a majority of Americans are just fucking trash?

Yup, go with the Joe Biden approach. It worked out great for you this year!

 

[Rogue AI]

Yeah, the party is so committed to this stuff that it would require a complete flush.

But they have nowhere to go but up. Will they look in the mirror? I doubt it.

They're as responsible for this as Trump or any Republican. Maybe more so.

The money will determine the direction of the party. If liberals don't change, they won't be able to afford to campaign. $2 billion down the drain, how do you convince donors that next time will be different if the party hasn't changed?

 

[Mac1958]

You can't talk sense into crazy people. It will take responsible leadership within the Democratic Party to stop the pandering to the extremes of their base, but as long as the AOC's, the Joy Reids, the Rachel Maddows, The Medhi Hasans, and the Joy Behars have the loudest voices, I don't know how that's going to be possible. Plus, the problem goes much further than that. It's infested educational institutions. Harvard cancelled classes Wednesday to give students a mental health day and cope with the election results. This is fucking Harvard, for God's sake. This cancer needs to be rooted out of the leadership of all of these institutions across the board.

Yep. As with most political things, I'll hold out hope, but I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[marvin martian]

but as long as the AOC's, the Joy Reids, the Rachel Maddows, The Medhi Hasans, and the Joy Behars have the loudest voices, I don't know how that's going to be possible.

That IS the leadership of your party.

 

[The Duke]

The really creepy part is that Mac1958 felt the need to mention it, instead of just sharing the person's thoughts.

Yeah, a got a creepy wave from that, too.

Yep. As with most political things, I'll hold out hope, but I'll believe it when I see it.

Term limits for Congress are coming, MaccyBoi.

 

[Stormy Daniels]

Key to Hillary Clinton's loss in 2008, she started out running as a moderate center Democrat but Obama and the left forced her to shift hard left and the rest is history.

Well that's just not true. Hilary Clinton was always a moderate, and at best she only ever offered lip service to the far left politically. From the beginning of the primary she was the anointed one. In fact, most of the left favored her because of the construction of her genitalia and the historic relevance electing her would pose.

Nobody forced Clinton to do or be anything. In fact, Clinton forced the rest of the Democratic party to become her bitch, resulting in what was ultimately a mostly farcical primary that did little more than pretend that the party establishment would tolerate anyone other than her being nominated. Maybe you were too young back then to see it happening. But the most frequent criticism from the Republicans at the time was that the Democratic primary was proving that the party wasn't democratic at all.

Bernie Sanders did his damnedest to force Clinton more to the left, and his army of "Bernie Bros" was all too ready to withhold their support in the general election. After the primary was over the far left alt-media pundits were urging progressives not to trust Clinton and urging them to write in an alternate, or to vote for Stein. But in the end, Clinton stood her moderate ground.

And in the end, it's the very fact that Clinton was not presenting herself as a far left progressive that was most commonly cite as the excuse for her loss. In the lead-up to the 2020 election the left were bedwetting about how running moderate candidates was allegedly a proven failed strategy, claiming that the only way to win was to go all in and run a far left candidate in order to gin up "enthusiasm." When Biden started to emerge as the likely candidate, there was all kinds of panic that the party was setting itself up for another "mistake".

 

[marvin martian]

Yeah, a got a creepy wave from that, too.

Term limits for Congress are coming, MaccyBoi.

That dude is seriously weird.

 

[Curried Goats]

Yup, go with the Joe Biden approach. It worked out great for you this year!

There's not a lot of good strategies against a deplorable culture of mutants who are the current demographic majority. Replacing you lot is about the most viable one I can think of.

 

[BluesLegend]

Well that's just not true.

Your opinion is wrong.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Well that's just not true. Hilary Clinton was always a moderate, and at best she only ever offered lip service to the far left politically. From the beginning of the primary she was the anointed one. In fact, most of the left favored her because of the construction of her genitalia and the historic relevance electing her would pose.

Nobody forced Clinton to do or be anything. In fact, Clinton forced the rest of the Democratic party to become her bitch, resulting in what was ultimately a mostly farcical primary that did little more than pretend that the party establishment would tolerate anyone other than her being nominated. Maybe you were too young back then to see it happening. But the most frequent criticism from the Republicans at the time was that the Democratic primary was proving that the party wasn't democratic at all.

Bernie Sanders did his damnedest to force Clinton more to the left, and his army of "Bernie Bros" was all too ready to withhold their support in the general election. After the primary was over the far left alt-media pundits were urging progressives not to trust Clinton and urging them to write in an alternate, or to vote for Stein. But in the end, Clinton stood her moderate ground.

And in the end, it's the very fact that Clinton was not presenting herself as a far left progressive that was most commonly cite as the excuse for her loss. In the lead-up to the 2020 election the left were bedwetting about how running moderate candidates was allegedly a proven failed strategy, claiming that the only way to win was to go all in and run a far left candidate in order to gin up "enthusiasm." When Biden started to emerge as the likely candidate, there was all kinds of panic that the party was setting itself up for another "mistake".

LoL Cankles was never and is no moderate