Rx for the Democrats

[Mac1958]

Only half way through, but she nails it.

I really don't think the Dems understand, at all, how much this stuff annoys people.

This is one huge self-inflicted wound, and she gets it.

 

[martybegan]

I really don't think the Dems understand, at all, how much this stuff annoys people.

This is one huge self-inflicted wound, and she gets it.

"she"

and it shows you are still not getting it.

 

[jc456]

message board psychoanalyzing is so hilarious.

 

[dblack]

"she"

and it shows you are still not getting it.

It's fine. I'm sure you stopped listening when you realized she's trans. But it's Democrats who need to listen to the message. You can ostrich up all you want.

 

[dblack]

“Identity politics” is a minor issue

It was (mistakenly) about economics

White women were pissed about high food prices from two years ago and high gas prices ( that have come down)

Speaking of ostriching up....

 

[martybegan]

It's fine. I'm sure you stopped listening when you realized she's trans. But it's Democrats who need to listen to the message. You can ostrich up all you want.

I stopped listening to him/her back when she/he was whiny bitch during "Gamergate"

 

[dblack]

I stopped listening to him/her back when she/he was whiny bitch during "Gamergate"

Way to go!

 

[dblack]

Democrat Brianna Wu is Executive Director of Rebellion Pac, and she says the Dems did this to themselves with the cultural bullshit, and need to drop it and get back to connecting with people -- if it isn't too late:

IM2 - have you watched this yet?

 

[Delldude]

“Identity politics” is a minor issue

One of the top reasons you clowns lost the election.
You don't understand identity politics.

White women were pissed about high food prices from two years ago and high gas prices ( that have come down)

Funny, no black women affected?

It was (mistakenly) about economics

You keep thinking that....................

 

[Crepitus]

So you wanna play dodge 'em. Do you think Democrats should back off on identity politics? Or should they "stay the course"?

As I already posted:

I don't think they are to start with. Allowing people to be what they want as long as it's not hurting anyone isn't "identity politics", it's just being reasonable.

 

[Delldude]

As I already posted:

I don't think they are to start with. Allowing people to be what they want as long as it's not hurting anyone isn't "identity politics", it's just being reasonable.

Identity politics places identity over qualification for a particular job.

 

[dblack]

As I already posted:

I don't think they are to start with. Allowing people to be what they want as long as it's not hurting anyone isn't "identity politics", it's just being reasonable.

Ok. Ostrich it is.

 

[Mac1958]

I was just listening to an interview with David Brooks, and he made a pretty interesting point.

PC/Identity Politics has not only worked against the Democrats by alienating them from many Americans (many of whom are middle class), but it has also worked against them in terms of their own perception of the electorate, causing them to assume things that just aren't true.

They (appear to) assume, for example, that a vast majority of minorities are going to vote for them. While they still received a majority of those votes, their numbers are clearly slipping. They also assumed that women would vote for the pro choice candidate, but they underperformed there, as well. My guess is that it was a matter of priority - maybe some of the women who didn't vote Dem were pro choice, but there were other issues that were more important to them. They had absolutely no idea that young white men, a notoriously poor turnout group historically, would stay home. THAT sure as hell didn't happen. They had the GQP coming to their defense on the "toxic masculinity" horse shit.

Drop the hyphens, Dems. Dividing people into little competing grievance groups has been a huge failure.

 

[dblack]

I was just listening to an interview with David Brooks, and he made a pretty interesting point.

PC/Identity Politics has not only worked against the Democrats by alienating them from many Americans (many of whom are middle class), but it has also worked against them in terms of their own perception of the electorate, causing them to assume things that just aren't true.

They (appear to) assume, for example, that a vast majority of minorities are going to vote for them. While they still received a majority of those votes, their numbers are clearly slipping. They also assumed that women would vote for the pro choice candidate, but they underperformed there, as well. My guess is that it was a matter of priority - maybe some of the women who didn't vote Dem were pro choice, but there were other issues that were more important to them. They had absolutely no idea that young white men, a notoriously poor turnout group historically, would stay home. THAT sure as hell didn't happen. They had the GQP coming to their defense on the "toxic masculinity" horse shit.

Drop the hyphens, Dems. Dividing people into little competing grievance groups has been a huge failure.

Denial is a powerful de-motivator. No one wants to admit they've been headed in the wrong direction for years.

 

[IM2]

Kudos to Rep. Seth Moulton (D-Mass). He gets it:

No he doesn't. Everything that you and those like you say is the prescription for the eft is what the right used to win the fucking election.

 

[dblack]

No he doesn't. Everything that you and those like you say is the prescription for the eft is what the right used to win the fucking election.

Exactly. They won by merely pretending to reject identity politics. Bring the real deal and Dems will crush them. People are waiting for sane leadership, but the two-party system is so broken it can't deliver.

 

[Mac1958]

Denial is a powerful de-motivator. No one wants to admit they've been headed in the wrong direction for years.

It's so deeply embedded in the party dogma that they don't want to let it go.

 

[IM2]

I was just listening to an interview with David Brooks, and he made a pretty interesting point.

PC/Identity Politics has not only worked against the Democrats by alienating them from many Americans (many of whom are middle class), but it has also worked against them in terms of their own perception of the electorate, causing them to assume things that just aren't true.

They (appear to) assume, for example, that a vast majority of minorities are going to vote for them. While they still received a majority of those votes, their numbers are clearly slipping. They also assumed that women would vote for the pro choice candidate, but they underperformed there, as well. My guess is that it was a matter of priority - maybe some of the women who didn't vote Dem were pro choice, but there were other issues that were more important to them. They had absolutely no idea that young white men, a notoriously poor turnout group historically, would stay home. THAT sure as hell didn't happen. They had the GQP coming to their defense on the "toxic masculinity" horse shit.

Drop the hyphens, Dems. Dividing people into little competing grievance groups has been a huge failure.

Again, the very thing you say has worked against the Democrats are what Republicans usedto win the election. America denies itsreal probem and you deny it too. Harris dodn't use PC or Identity poitics.

TRUMP BROUGHT UP RACE. TRUMP BOUGHT UP TRANSGENDER or other "PC" issues. IMMIGRATION WAS AN ISSUED BASED ON IDENTITY!

Everything Trump did was based on identity. Trump could call half the nation garbage, radical left lunatics, or the enemy of the people, but when Biden called Trump supporters trash, well then PC rhetoric was the problem. The ONLY group that slipped as far as minorites was Hispanic men. Women of color voted for Harris. 80 percentof black men voted for Trump, just like 80 percent of black men voted for him 4 years ago. It was WHITE men/women who voted for Trump. It was WHITES in the majority that voted for Trump. You are completely wrong Mac.

 

[IM2]

Exactly. They won by merely pretending to reject identity politics. Bring the real deal and Dems will crush them. People are waiting for sane leadership, but the two-party system is so broken it can't deliver.

They didn't pretend. The trump campaign WAS identity politics. We had a chance for sane leadership but chose the idiot.

 

[dblack]

Again, the very thing you say has worked against the Democrats are what Republicans usedto win the election. America denies itsreal probem and you deny it too. Harris dodn't use PC or Identity poitics.

TRUMP BROUGHT UP RACE. TRUMP BOUGHT UP TRANSGENDER or other "PC" issues. IMMIGRATION WAS AN ISSUED BASED ON IDENTITY!

Everything Trump did was based on identity. Trump could call half the nation garbage, radical left lunatics, or the enemy of the people, but when Biden called Trump supporters trash, well then PC rhetoric was the problem. The ONLY group that slipped as far as minorites was Hispanic men. Women of color voted for Harris. 80 percentof black men voted for Trump, just like 80 percent of black men voted for him 4 years ago. It was WHITE men/women who voted for Trump. It was WHITES in the majority that voted for Trump. You are completely wrong Mac.

Absolutely agree. Republicans aren't doing away with identity politics. They're just getting revenge.