Russia will never be awarded Ukraine territory gained by Russia's invasion

[GLASNOST]

You Russians invaded Ukraine so of course you refuse to admit being war criminals.

We Russians, huh? Is that how it works? You American so of course you refuse to admit you lied about WMDs in Irak. There must be thousends of them still just waiting to explode! You twit.

 

[Correll]

at what point would it not be “war time” with Putin next door wanting what he didn’t get the first time?
....

So, you are actually arguing that the ukrainians would keep all the men under arms they have right now, during an active war,

under arms permanently?


That's insane. No nation can afford to do shit like that.

You are talking complete nonsense.

My point is valid, this point is designed to save russian face.


It is meant for the gulliable russian people, in a controlled environment of Putin controlled press, and with them having a massive investment to go along with the pretense.

For YOU to fall for it, is... pathetic.

 

[Robert W]

We Russians, huh? Is that how it works? You American so of course you refuse to admit you lied about WMDs in Irak. There must be thousends of them still just waiting to explode! You twit.

You keep defending a criminal regime. Georges Sada an Iraqi General confirmed that Saddam Hussein put his WMD in Syria just in time to get his story told.

 

[JoeB131]

How did you come up with that? If memory serves you've always been anti- common sense.

Trump supporters and common sense aren't even in the same zip code.

 

[JoeB131]

Wonder why Ukraine got so bold as to antagonize Russia in such a way, otherwise where we see now that Russia has responded by destroying Ukrainian cities and town's in a bid to return Ukraine to it's sphere of influence or to send a message that Ukraine is to return to it's obligations under the Minsk accords ??

I don't wonder at all. Zelensky miscalculated when he launched an offensive against the LPR and DPR.

Biden and son being involved in Ukraine in an alledged corrupt type of way seems to have drug the US into this thing knee deep or into an endless money pit sort of way.

Ah, how did Biden get all the Europeans on board if it was just about Hunter making money?

The reporting or media depiction mostly shows Ukraine winning upon the battlefields with various technologies and weapons system's being deployed, but then you'll see a counter video that shows Russia winning on the battlefields with the same types of technologies and weapons systems being deployed.

Except the Ukrainians aren't "winning", they are losing territory.

 

[beagle9]

Here's the problem with that argument. Kazakhstan also gave up its nukes. They also have a large ethnic Russian population (14.6% Russian vs. 17% in the Ukraine before the wars started.)

Yet you don't see Russia threatening Kazakstan. Why do you think that is?

Belarus also returned the USSR's nukes to Russia.

The difference is that Kazakhstan and Belarus aren't intentionally doing things to antagonize Russia. Ukraine is.

Wonder why Ukraine got so bold as to antagonize Russia in such a way, otherwise where we see now that Russia has responded by destroying Ukrainian cities and town's in a bid to return Ukraine to it's sphere of influence or to send a message that Ukraine is to return to it's obligations under the Minsk accords ??

Biden and son being involved in Ukraine in an alledged corrupt type of way seems to have drug the US into this thing knee deep or into an endless money pit sort of way.

The reporting or media depiction mostly shows Ukraine winning upon the battlefields with various technologies and weapons system's being deployed, but then you'll see a counter video that shows Russia winning on the battlefields with the same types of technologies and weapons systems being deployed.

If anything both sides are learning new efficient ways of killing on a battlefield that involves land or sea, and they are doing so in ways that is indirectly corrupting the entire world as these thing's are being witnessed and then educated upon.

The world powers should want this war stopped before it's strategies and technologies that arebeing studied ends up in the wrong hands for the future use of.

I don't wonder at all. Zelensky miscalculated when he launched an offensive against the LPR and DPR.



Ah, how did Biden get all the Europeans on board if it was just about Hunter making money?



Except the Ukrainians aren't "winning", they are losing territory.

All the Europeans on board ??

You mean all the woke idiots on board ?

 

[GLASNOST]

You keep defending a criminal regime. Georges Sada an Iraqi General confirmed that Saddam Hussein put his WMD in Syria just in time to get his story told.

Oh, sod off, you silly cow. You American so of course you refuse to admit you lied about WMDs in Irak.

 

[JoeB131]

All the Europeans on board ??

You mean all the woke idiots on board ?

Actually, the Europeans were far more responsible for this mess than Biden was.

Let's review, shall we?

The EU has been trying to pry Ukraine out of Russia's orbit for 20 years now, by enticing them with one-sided trade deals.

The proximate cause of this was when President Yanukovych rejected the EU's offer in 2013. Understandable. Yanukovych said he would need 15 billion over three years to make up for the loss of trade with Russia. The EU offered him a paltry 790 million.

That's when the US and EU started encouraging the Maidan revolution, which toppled Yanukovych (who did himself no favors by using excessive force to try to quell the revolt.)

The thing was, the Ethnic Russians in Ukraine were fine as long as they felt they had a voice in the government, but with Yanukovych gone, they decided to peace out. Thus the 8 year conflict between the Separatists and the government between 2014 and 2022.

Europe has now spent far more propping up the Comedian than it refused to spend 10 years ago when Yanukovych asked nicely.

 

[AntonToo]

So, you are actually arguing that the ukrainians would keep all the men under arms they have right now, during an active war,

under arms permanently?


That's insane. No nation can afford to do shit like that.

You are talking complete nonsense.

My point is valid, this point is designed to save russian face.


It is meant for the gulliable russian people, in a controlled environment of Putin controlled press, and with them having a massive investment to go along with the pretense.

For YOU to fall for it, is... pathetic.

Dummy, the point is why the hell would Ukraine agree to REDUCE it's means to security for the priveledge of giving away it's cities to Russia?

Why would it agree to HELP Russia to simply roll in later and take what they couldn't the first time around?

It's insane.

 

[AntonToo]

Actually, the Europeans were far more responsible for this mess than Biden was.

Let's review, shall we?

The EU has been trying to pry Ukraine out of Russia's orbit for 20 years now, by enticing them with one-sided trade deals.

The proximate cause of this was when President Yanukovych rejected the EU's offer in 2013. Understandable. Yanukovych said he would need 15 billion over three years to make up for the loss of trade with Russia. The EU offered him a paltry 790 million.

That's when the US and EU started encouraging the Maidan revolution, which toppled Yanukovych (who did himself no favors by using excessive force to try to quell the revolt.)

The thing was, the Ethnic Russians in Ukraine were fine as long as they felt they had a voice in the government, but with Yanukovych gone, they decided to peace out. Thus the 8 year conflict between the Separatists and the government between 2014 and 2022.

Europe has now spent far more propping up the Comedian than it refused to spend 10 years ago when Yanukovych asked nicely.

Damn, who shit all this Kremlin propaganda into your head?

Yanukovych electoral platform was TO JOIN EU. Thats what he was voted in to do by majorities in all parts of Ukraine.

The "15 billion loss" was a result not out of natural market adaptation but out of Kremlin doing everyting it could to undermine Ukraine's economy to pressure them into not joining EU, they also PERSONALLY pressured Yanukovich who folded and stuned his own party when he unilateraly refused to sign EU integration they have been working on for years.

When all that economic and political coersion failed Russians moved on to military invasion, because guess what, it was never about ethnicity or Russia supposedly not feeling secure, it was always about the grave threat that a prospering, democratic Ukraine would pose to Putin's corrupt, represive regime.

If you don't clearly understand this part then you can't clearly understand why Putin will never agree to a Ukraine with real security guarantees. Putin needs a gun to Ukraine's head and he will never settle for any arrangement that takes it away from him.

 

[AntonToo]

Actually, Putin showed a lot of restraint. He could have invaded in 2014, but he didn't. He just took Crimea

So annexation of Crimea...was not invasion.

Do you not get how stupid what you are saying is?

I will repeat my question to you - who shits all this Kremlin propaganda into your head?

 

[Litwin]

Zelensky miscalculated when he launched an offensive against the LPR and DPR.

Had the full right to do so. "LPR and DPR" do not exist — it is Ukrainian territory under your occupation , merely a code name for your genocidal colonial occupation of eastern Ukraine.

#theHague

Thread 'VIDEO: 💔 A Ukrainian father rocks the coffin holding his child’s body, killed by predatory Moscow imperialists'

Nov 23, 2025

VIDEO: A Ukrainian father rocks the coffin holding his child’s body, killed by predatory Moscow imperialists
Mongol - Moscow ulus is a bloody empire of genocidal murderers!

• Litwin

 

[Litwin]

So annexation of Crimea...was not invasion.

Do you not get how stupid what you are saying is?

I will repeat my question to you - who shits all this Kremlin propaganda into your head?

+1
United Nations General Assembly Resolution 68/262 was adopted on 27 March 2014 by the sixty-eighth session of the United Nations General Assembly in response to the Moscow imperial annexation of Crimea and entitled "Territorial integrity of Ukraine". ..., affirmed the General Assembly's commitment to the territorial integrity of Ukraine within its internationally recognized borders and underscored the invalidity of the 2014 Crimean referendum.

United Nations General Assembly Resolution 68/262 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[GLASNOST]

Dummy, the point is why the hell would Ukraine agree to REDUCE it's means to security for the priveledge of giving away it's cities to Russia?

Why would it agree to HELP Russia to simply roll in later and take what they couldn't the first time around?

It's insane.

You are out of your mind.

 

[AntonToo]

Zelensky miscalculated when he launched an offensive against the LPR and DPR.

What you've just said is pure Kremlin propaganda.

There was no offensive. What there was is Russians pooling their army on Ukraine's border since November and America warning of possible Russian invasion.

How stupid do you have to be to imagine that Ukraine would be angling to start some sort of offensive while that is happening on their borders?

 

[Litwin]

Wonder why Ukraine got so bold as to antagonize Russia in such a way, otherwise where we see now that Russia has responded by destroying Ukrainian cities and town's

The Mongol– Moscow empire (ulus) has always fought colonial wars in this (GENOICDAL) way — even Karl Marx knew it, but somehow you don’t?

From Grozny to Aleppo to Ukraine, Russia meets resistance with more firepower

Russia answers resistance with big guns and sieges. Ukrainians pray that will not happen to them, writes the BBC's Jeremy Bowen in Kyiv.

www.bbc.co.uk

Chechen state capital: Grozny (1994-96):

 

[AntonToo]

Yet you don't see Russia threatening Kazakstan. Why do you think that is?

Ummm simple - Kazakstan is not angling for EU integration and remains same repressive state in Russian sphere.

Kazakhstan in Context: A Repressive State

hrf.org

 

[AntonToo]

How did you come up with that? If memory serves you've always been anti- common sense.

See Joe? Even Rushists are wondering wtf happened to you to start repeating "common sense" they get force fed daily by their state TV.

 

[Correll]

Dummy, the point is why the hell would Ukraine agree to REDUCE it's means to security for the priveledge of giving away it's cities to Russia?

Because they are planning to cut their armed forces to less than that once the fighting stops already. So it costs them nothing to put that line in the deal, and it sweetens teh deal for the russians.

Why would it agree to HELP Russia to simply roll in later and take what they couldn't the first time around?

Because as long as teh fighting is going on, the real chance of LOSING IT ALL NOW, is on the table.

End the fighting, the problems move from IN YOUR FACE KILLING YOU problems to "someday maybe" problems, which are much easier to deal with.

The RUssians MIGHT invade again in 5 years? Let's prepare for that. Let's pay more taxes to build weapons and train men, and man, isn't that better than having a war just drag on and on killing us?

It's insane.

No, it's not. It's make complete sense. YOu are just naysaying becasue you want to use this war for national security and political gains.

 

[AntonToo]

Because they are planning to cut their armed forces to less than that once the fighting stops already. So it costs them nothing to put that line in the deal, and it sweetens teh deal for the russians.

They are not planning anything untill they get serious security guarantees you goof, stop posting out of your ass.

Suppopsedly there is a new version of agreement Trump's admin is working on and that ridiculous troops cap was taken out.