Russia will never be awarded Ukraine territory gained by Russia's invasion

[JoeB131]

Ukraine doesn’t need a deal to hand over to Russia its cities and disbanding their army while getting nothing in return.

They are getting something. Peace.

Perpetual War is not sustainable.

 

[Independent thinker]

Because the insane dictator made offensive nuclear threats.

What on Earth are you talking about?

 

[martybegan]

Russia has close to a million casualties and its military equipment has been decimated.

It’s economy is being propped up with smoke and mirrors

And yet it is still advancing and Ukraine is not regaining any territories.

Ukraine can't replace the manpower losses at the level Russia can.

 

[AntonToo]

They are getting something. Peace.

Perpetual War is not sustainable.

Peace without security guarantees? With Putin? Who wants the rest of your country?

How many Russian invasions will it take for you to get that it's nonsense?

 

[AntonToo]

There were no Russian troops in Ukraine in 2014

Here is Putin admiting how full of shit you are:

"That’s why I gave orders to the Defense Ministry -- why hide it? -- to deploy special forces of the GRU (military intelligence) as well as marines and commandos there under the guise of reinforcing security for our military facilities in Crimea,"

From 'Not Us' To 'Why Hide It?': How Russia Denied Its Crimea Invasion, Then Admitted It

Russia initially denied that its soldiers seized government buildings and other strategic facilities in Crimea ahead of its March 2014 annexation of the Ukrainian peninsula five years ago this week -- despite obvious signs of its involvement. It took a year for Moscow to come clean.

www.rferl.org

 

[Litwin]

Trump will allow it,

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Awarded?
The US was awarded the Southwest after defeating Mexico militarily?
Roughly the same difference.
The war was over, conquered land changed hands, the loser resented it and was powerless to stop it.
The same will happen in this war.

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[Litwin]

What is the ethnic makeup of the territory Russia will not cede?

wiki, Ethnic-Ukrainians :

did google ban you ?

 

[beagle9]

There were no Russian troops in Ukraine in 2014 after the Coup, Crimea already had Russian forces in Sevastopol, they took action to secure the place because the illegal coup leaders under Yats would have handed Sevastopol over to Nato, if you think Russia was going to tolerate that you need your head tested, also why would the people in Donbass go along with a coup in Kiev? so at the start they protested and were met with bullets after Porochenko launched his so called anti terror operation against them, the leaders of what became the Donbass Militias were all local men who resisted the Ukrainian army attacking them, there was a major battle at Donetsk airport and Debalseve where the Ukrainians were defeated, there were no Russian troops involved, do these fighters look like the Russian army?

This is what it all comes down too, otherwise what is the real truth about it all ? It would be a tragic thing if Russia was right all along,

Peace without security guarantees? With Putin? Who wants the rest of your country?

How many Russian invasions will it take for you to get that it's nonsense?

Didn't Russia agree to allow Ukraine it's independence back in the day, and didn't it do so under strict regulations or rules that had to be met by Ukraine in order to keep it's independence ??? One of the conditions was that Ukraine had to forfeit the nukes or no deal right(?), otherwise give them back over to Russia because they were on Ukranian soil after the Soviet break up, and for Russian security reasons they had to be returned right ?

The reason back then I guess was that Russia wasn't about to leave it's nuclear weapons in the hands of the Ukrainians for fear that one day they could be used against Russia, otherwise if Ukraine were to go rogue for some reason or another.

Fast forward to 2025, and wow what if Ukraine had nukes ? Was this the fear that Russia had so long ago when decided to give Ukraine it's independence but with conditions to be met ??
So now it comes down to who is right and who is wrong between the two, otherwise between the two who are now at full blown war with one another right ???

Did Ukraine violate it's agreements with Russia down the line here or is Russia just on a binge march towards becoming the class bully just because it can ? The 2014 period is the period that people need to study hard about in order to figure this thing out I guess.

 

[MarathonMike]

While I think you're wrong, you are right that this is mostly Europe's problem and Europe should be the one fixing it. But, they won't. Russia will permanently get parts of Ukraine, if not all of it.

Exactly. Where are the mighty "European Union" leaders?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

How about answering the question?

How about objecting to the idiotic premise of your question, as it was obviously not my point? I think I will go with that.

 

[Independent thinker]

Exactly. Where are the mighty "European Union" leaders?

Looking for the US president to do their dirty work for them and pay for it too.

 

[GLASNOST]

... The point is, that if you send a limited conventional forces, you send them to a certain death.

Probably.

.... nobody send people to a certain death just for jesture.

The US has done it many times.

Russia definitely thinks that thise limited forces are just an initial phase of a larger invasion,

No doubt.

... If ... both Europe and America decided to .... attack Russian forces, Russians will think, that this is not just an attempt of murder-suicide, but that NATO has a ... plan of victory.

That is the only conclusion they can make.

And if Russians don't know what is this plan, they will simply attack first.

This is not only logical but it is the standard Russian psych. It's probably the lesson Russia learnt as a result of the Great Patriotic War.

 

[JoeB131]

Peace without security guarantees? With Putin? Who wants the rest of your country?

How many Russian invasions will it take for you to get that it's nonsense?

Actually, Putin showed a lot of restraint. He could have invaded in 2014, but he didn't. He just took Crimea and tried to resolve the Donbas through the Minsk Accords.

The Ukrainians are not blameless here.

They overthrew Yanukovych and disenfranchised ethnic Russians.
They tried to militarily defeat the LPR and DPR after promising they wouldn't with the Minsk Accords.

 

[JoeB131]

This is what it all comes down too, otherwise what is the real truth about it all ? It would be a tragic thing if Russia was right all along,

Didn't Russia agree to allow Ukraine it's independence back in the day, and didn't it do so under strict regulations or rules that had to be met by Ukraine in order to keep it's independence ??? One of the conditions was that Ukraine had to forfeit the nukes or no deal right(?), otherwise give them back over to Russia because they were on Ukranian soil after the Soviet break up, and for Russian security reasons they had to be returned right ?

The reason back then I guess was that Russia wasn't about to leave it's nuclear weapons in the hands of the Ukrainians for fear that one day they could be used against Russia, otherwise if Ukraine were to go rogue for some reason or another.

Fast forward to 2025, and wow what if Ukraine had nukes ? Was this the fear that Russia had so long ago when decided to give Ukraine it's independence but with conditions to be met ??
So now it comes down to who is right and who is wrong between the two, otherwise between the two who are now at full blown war with one another right ???

Did Ukraine violate it's agreements with Russia down the line here or is Russia just on a binge march towards becoming the class bully just because it can ? The 2014 period is the period that people need to study hard about in order to figure this thing out I guess.

Here's the problem with that argument. Kazakhstan also gave up its nukes. They also have a large ethnic Russian population (14.6% Russian vs. 17% in the Ukraine before the wars started.)

Yet you don't see Russia threatening Kazakstan. Why do you think that is?

Belarus also returned the USSR's nukes to Russia.

The difference is that Kazakhstan and Belarus aren't intentionally doing things to antagonize Russia. Ukraine is.

 

[GLASNOST]

..... this is mostly Europe's problem and Europe should be the one fixing it....

"MOSTLY" in all capital letters. The US started it but that's history. If Europe doesn't back off (and rather soon) we'll be in for some very serioius trouble.

Where are the mighty "European Union" leaders?

I [as an adult and a man of the world] have never considered nations operating without the strength of their respective population. This has changed (or at least my opinion has) and the fostering of absolute idiots for the purpose of putting them into positions as heads of state is now at a point that I never thought possible. So, your question, "Where are the mighty European Union leaders?" Those idiots are consulting Hollywood for guidance. They think that by being gifted titles (without ever having done an honest day's work) makes them people of importance but they are disposable fools with an axe hovering above their head. They will do the bidding of those with real influence and then contract cancer, have their plane crash into a mountain, or get hit by a speeding train.

 

[GLASNOST]

So, Russia invades Ukraine

Russia did not invade Ukraine and YOU KNOW IT. That's why you no longer claim it was a "full scale invasion". You are learning but very slowly.

and nothing should happen to Russia.

What Russia should do is settle in, honour its military men, get Donbas back on its' feet, spiff up the Krim in preparation of us tourists arriving, and give some scraps of assistance (on request alone) in eliminating Ukraine's Nazi element.

You tell us not to impose anything against Russia.

Pretty much so, yes.

Russia is a war criminal.

Russia is not a war criminal but if you want to split hairs or point out 'this and that' then I suggest you read my post #207. Everything is relative but it could be that you are not mature enough to understand that.

 

[beagle9]

Looking for the US president to do their dirty work for them and pay for it too.

Sure was working when Biden and company was running thing's. They can't pull their chit on Trump in which of course is why they hate him too.

 

[beagle9]

Here's the problem with that argument. Kazakhstan also gave up its nukes. They also have a large ethnic Russian population (14.6% Russian vs. 17% in the Ukraine before the wars started.)

Yet you don't see Russia threatening Kazakstan. Why do you think that is?

Belarus also returned the USSR's nukes to Russia.

The difference is that Kazakhstan and Belarus aren't intentionally doing things to antagonize Russia. Ukraine is.

Wonder why Ukraine got so bold as to antagonize Russia in such a way, otherwise where we see now that Russia has responded by destroying Ukrainian cities and town's in a bid to return Ukraine to it's sphere of influence or to send a message that Ukraine is to return to it's obligations under the Minsk accords ??

Biden and son being involved in Ukraine in an alledged corrupt type of way seems to have drug the US into this thing knee deep or into an endless money pit sort of way.

The reporting or media depiction mostly shows Ukraine winning upon the battlefields with various technologies and weapons system's being deployed, but then you'll see a counter video that shows Russia winning on the battlefields with the same types of technologies and weapons systems being deployed.

If anything both sides are learning new efficient ways of killing on a battlefield that involves land or sea, and they are doing so in ways that is indirectly corrupting the entire world as these thing's are being witnessed and then educated upon.

The world powers should want this war stopped before it's strategies and technologies that are being studied ends up in the wrong hands for the future use of.

 

[Robert W]

Russia did not invade Ukraine and YOU KNOW IT. That's why you no longer claim it was a "full scale invasion". You are learning but very slowly.

What Russia should do is settle in, honour its military men, get Donbas back on its' feet, spiff up the Krim in preparation of us tourists arriving, and give some scraps of assistance (on request alone) in eliminating Ukraine's Nazi element.

Pretty much so, yes.

Russia is not a war criminal but if you want to split hairs or point out 'this and that' then I suggest you read my post #207. Everything is relative but it could be that you are not mature enough to understand that.

You Russians invaded Ukraine so of course you refuse to admit being war criminals.

 

[AlexanderPK]

Here's the problem with that argument. Kazakhstan also gave up its nukes. They also have a large ethnic Russian population (14.6% Russian vs. 17% in the Ukraine before the wars started.)

Yet you don't see Russia threatening Kazakstan. Why do you think that is?

Belarus also returned the USSR's nukes to Russia.

The difference is that Kazakhstan and Belarus aren't intentionally doing things to antagonize Russia. Ukraine is.

How did you come up with that? If memory serves you've always been anti- common sense.