Russia-Ukraine Crisis Deescalating As NATO Countries Break From Bellicose US-UK Stance

[Ringo]

""The Permanent Mission of Ukraine to the UN stated that Putin's recognition of the LDPR is equivalent to Russia's withdrawal from the Minsk agreements"

Dear me, what moral freaks! They themselves have not fulfilled a single point of these agreements for seven years and openly stated that they were not going to fulfill them

 

[Doc7505]

""The Permanent Mission of Ukraine to the UN stated that Putin's recognition of the LDPR is equivalent to Russia's withdrawal from the Minsk agreements"

Dear me, what moral freaks! They themselves have not fulfilled a single point of these agreements for seven years and openly stated that they were not going to fulfill them

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So, by your statement. Does that give Putin the go ahead and right to annex Donetsk and Luhansk?

 

[Silver Cat]

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So, by your statement. Does that give Putin the go ahead and right to annex Donetsk and Luhansk?

No. But as they are recognized as independent states, they have right to join Russia after a referendum or something.

 

[Ringo]

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So, by your statement. Does that give Putin the go ahead and right to annex Donetsk and Luhansk?

Yes. Because Kiev's failure to comply with the Minsk agreements means artillery and sniper attacks on Donbass for almost 8 years. But of course you haven't heard anything about it.

 

[AZrailwhale]

This might help to understand Russias interest in Ukraine

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The red area is Russian language, 30% of Ukraine speaks Russian at home.

So? A similar percentage of Americans speak Spanish at home. Does that give Mexico the right to invade and conquer the USA?

 

[LA RAM FAN]

That’s cause the black hats in nato starting this war with Biden and zelensjki,are getting their asses kicked by the white hats in the military working with trump.

 

[justoffal]

Perfectly represented

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Of course it’s de esculating.NATO started that war with Obama giving bio weapons to the ukraines and they were planning on invading Russia.the deep state hates them cause they are off the dollar.Russia invaded them first though making their first move takimg out their bio labs they were using to murder citizens.NATO is getting their asses kicked and is running scared.

 

[Mac-7]

Russia-Ukraine Crisis Deescalating As NATO Countries Break From Bellicose US-UK Stance​

Zerohedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

25 Jan 2022 ~~
Deescalation appears to be accelerating over the Ukraine crisis given a number of rapid developments which have seen lead NATO countries break from the more bellicose and threatening tone of the United States and UK. After Germany's neutrality toward the Russia-Ukraine crisis became apparent, Sweden is the latest to follow its lead of forbidding arms transfers to Kiev, while Croatia is out with a firm statement saying it will recall all of its troops from NATO in the event of war.
This followed on the heels of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky announcing that circumstances in the region are now "under control" and that there's "no reason to panic" according to The Associated Press.
It appears the earlier hyped messages of an 'imminent Russian invasion' have backfired, as Ukraine officials have now turned to castigating the media for spreading a sense of overblown panic and doom among the population. Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov went so far as to say the threat of a Russian invasion "doesn't exist" despite there still being "risky scenarios". Other Ukraine defense officials have echoed this as well...

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The US previously said this demand was a "non-starter" - but given the rapid shift in atmosphere surrounding tensions, it'll be interesting to see if by week's end the US tune is very different.
For for time being, some level of military economic threats and counterthreats look to continue...

Commentary:
Germany, Austria and France want to sit this one out. They are too worried about their fuel and energy supplies coming from Russia.
We can all refer back to when our 46th president during January 2021 lifted sanctions on the Nord Stream 2 pipeline project.
That was the go-ahead sign for Putin the cherry on the pudding was Biden's disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan.
The dilemma now is how to ease out of the rhetoric from Biden's opposition to the takeover of the Ukraine, much of which is fait accompli. Biden's decisions in the handling of the Russia/Ukraine crisis will reflect directly on how China will soon react on Tiawan.
Please note yesterday's incident in the South China Sea and the flyovers of Tiawan... We're not really projecting the image of a competent, capable military power. Thanks to the administration directed by Joseph Robinette Biden.

This report/opinion is only two months old

what looked so certain on Jan 25th has turned out to be wrong by the end of march

The question of china and Taiwan is still unanswered

but the chances of freedom from invasion appear to be much stronger

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

This report/opinion is only two months old

what looked so certain on Jan 25th has turned out to be wrong by the end of march

The question of china and Taiwan is still unanswered

but the chances of freedom from invasion appear to be much stronger

Yes. Russia was in a much stronger position and the West much more divided before Putin launched his bloody (and failing) invasion of Ukraine. As for Asia, there will certainly now be more caution and preparation put into any Chinese moves pressuring Taiwan and the U.S. to respect established “One China” and “no independence” agreements.

But Taiwan remains an unrecognized state in the UN, a “renegade province” in the eyes of most Chinese, a Chinese “internal affair.” China — unlike Russia — is genuinely a great economic power. If it is forced to, it can and probably ultimately will exercise its control over Taiwan militarily even without invading. In my opinion, any U.S. plan to replicate its presumed “success” in Ukraine by trying to turn Taiwan into a militarized “fortress” against China will lead to disaster, especially for the Taiwanese. Even in Ukraine the common people are suffering terribly due to what is, at least in large part, a “proxy war” between an unstable Russian state and the U.S.A.

 

[badger2]

Yes. Russia was in a much stronger position and the West much more divided before Putin launched his bloody (and failing) invasion of Ukraine. As for Asia, there will certainly now be more caution and preparation put into any Chinese moves pressuring Taiwan and the U.S. to respect established “One China” and “no independence” agreements.

But Taiwan remains an unrecognized state in the UN, a “renegade province” in the eyes of most Chinese, a Chinese “internal affair.” China — unlike Russia — is genuinely a great economic power. If it is forced to, it can and probably ultimately will exercise its control over Taiwan militarily even without invading. In my opinion, any U.S. plan to replicate its presumed “success” in Ukraine by trying to turn Taiwan into a militarized “fortress” against China will lead to disaster, especially for the Taiwanese. Even in Ukraine the common people are suffering terribly due to what is, at least in large part, a “proxy war” between an unstable Russian state and the U.S.A.

Both types of bastard are represented in Ukraine. CIA-sponsored turmoil is one type that made Ukraine an illegitimate state since 2014. We recall the theologian imitation that psycho Truman did, getting American prisoner-automatons hooked on the "invasion" mantra in Korea, the origins of NATO. The only thing that can be done is to physically move the mental disease of one type of bastard (for example, the current CIA-NATO hybrid) away from the physical borders of Russia.

 

[Toro]

This report/opinion is only two months old

what looked so certain on Jan 25th has turned out to be wrong by the end of march

The question of china and Taiwan is still unanswered

but the chances of freedom from invasion appear to be much stronger

FYI ZeroHedge is an alt-right site that has generally been supportive of Putin. They've been predicting the collapse of the dollar since the day they opened. I call it "ZeroMoney" because that's what you'd have if you invested based on their analysis.

An invasion of Taiwan looks much less likely today because of the unity of the West, the support we've given the Ukraine, and the economic sanctions we've placed on Russia. Xi has made a big miscalculation with his support for Putin.

 

[Mac-7]

Yes. Russia was in a much stronger position and the West much more divided before Putin launched his bloody (and failing) invasion of Ukraine. As for Asia, there will certainly now be more caution and preparation put into any Chinese moves pressuring Taiwan and the U.S. to respect established “One China” and “no independence” agreements.

But Taiwan remains an unrecognized state in the UN, a “renegade province” in the eyes of most Chinese, a Chinese “internal affair.” China — unlike Russia — is genuinely a great economic power. If it is forced to, it can and probably ultimately will exercise its control over Taiwan militarily even without invading. In my opinion, any U.S. plan to replicate its presumed “success” in Ukraine by trying to turn Taiwan into a militarized “fortress” against China will lead to disaster, especially for the Taiwanese. Even in Ukraine the common people are suffering terribly due to what is, at least in large part, a “proxy war” between an unstable Russian state and the U.S.A.

You paint the chicoms as 10 feet tall just as everyone did for the russians 2 months ago

 

[Mac-7]

Xi has made a big miscalculation with his support for Putin.

Hopefully so

 

[Dragonlady]

Both types of bastard are represented in Ukraine. CIA-sponsored turmoil is one type that made Ukraine an illegitimate state since 2014. We recall the theologian imitation that psycho Truman did, getting American prisoner-automatons hooked on the "invasion" mantra in Korea, the origins of NATO. The only thing that can be done is to physically move the mental disease of one type of bastard (for example, the current CIA-NATO hybrid) away from the physical borders of Russia.

Another Russian heard from. Keep outing yourselves.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

You paint the chicoms as 10 feet tall just as everyone did for the russians 2 months ago

I never thought the Russians could take all of Ukraine, let alone occupy it, with the forces Putin assembled on their border. Nor did I think Putin would be so stupid as to try. (Perhaps you believed the propaganda and “scare stories” in this case.)

For your information, the average Chinese man and woman is definitely not ten feet tall. Chinese are definitely considerably shorter (and also not nearly as fat) as average North Americans.

Hope that clarifies matters for you.

P.S. I haven’t any idea why you think I “paint the Chicoms as 10 feet tall,” and you gave no reasons whatever for making this charge.

 

[Mac-7]

Hope that clarifies matters for you.

It merely makes clearer the fact that china is your master

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Can’t take a joke?
Need to respond with personal slander?
Why is that?

 

[badger2]

Another Russian heard from. Keep outing yourselves.

Your in-out compromised mind stems from an inherent lesbionic tendency that gets off watching males get whacked on the battlefield.

 

[Donald H]

Can’t take a joke?
Need to respond with personal slander?
Why is that?

You have the ability to discuss and debate above the level of the rabble. Why do you continue to shy away from it. Rational voices on either side are rare, but needed badly.