Latest Ukrainian Peace Plan From the US...Ukraine Surrenders, NATO Cannot Expand; Russia Gives Up Nothing.

[kyzr]

And you are not ready.

You can't establish acceptable order on a territory without having jackboots on the ground.

One who shoot first is the one who laugh the last. And you, guys, are definitely going to play Texas Red.

Yep. Exonazism Type II - "They are worsen version of we". It's not really true, but the fact is obviouse. Those guys don't understand what kind of thing is the modern war.

There are rebels and much more potential rebels (more than a half of the population). But they are not really active basically because they wait for being liberated by Russian Federation and Kievan regime is not interested in pushing them too hard (and get a real rebellion on hands) at moment. But if the ceasefire means for Kievan regime "end of cash flow" and rebellion means "resuming cash flow" Kiev will push them enough (say nothing about SBU-controlled rebels). Same way, if, for Russia ceasefire means "invasion of NATO forces in Ukraine" and rebellion means "no invasion of NATO forces in Ukraine", Moscow (with or without Putin) will pull all strings to start the rebellion.

And, acting together (like pushing and pulling) Moscow and Kiev will start pretty good rebellion.
And exactly for this very reason there will be no any peacekeepers.
That is exactly why there will be no peace deal.
Really? We'll see.

Good discussion Zavulon. I'm hoping peace breaks out in Ukraine.

 

[Zavulon]

Good discussion Zavulon.

The pleasure is all mine.

I'm hoping peace breaks out in Ukraine.

Peace is not something that "breaks out". Peace is the way to live together without killing each other. And, for such co-existence people needs certain rules. Rules that create equal safety for everyone (including Russians). And if you declare that Russians are "evil bloodthirsty goons, lead by an irrational dictator" who can be discriminated, abused, robbered and, finally, genocided, there is no much space for peaceful coexistence. And you use exactly this approach.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And if you declare that Russians are "evil bloodthirsty goons, lead by an irrational dictator" who can be discriminated, abused, robbered and, finally, genocided, there is no much space for peaceful coexistence. And you use exactly this approach.

Even if they are "evil bloodthirsty goons, led by an irrational dictator"?

 

[Ringo]

Even if they are "evil bloodthirsty goons, led by an irrational dictator"?

Why are you such a jerk? Did someone drop you on your head when you were a child?

 

[Deadstick]

Why are you such a jerk? Did someone drop you on your head when you were a child?

Have you ever heard of the fable the Scorpion and the Frog? well here it is.

In the fable, a scorpion asks a frog to carry it across a river. The frog is hesitant, fearing that the scorpion will sting it. The scorpion assures the frog that it would not sting, as doing so would lead to both their deaths. Trusting the scorpion's words, the frog agrees. However, midway across the river, the scorpion stings the frog, leading to their mutual demise. When the frog asks why the scorpion did it, the scorpion replies, "It's my nature".
In other words it's who they are.
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=50e3...pa2kvVGhlX1Njb3JwaW9uX2FuZF90aGVfRnJvZw&ntb=1

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Why are you such a jerk? Did someone drop you on your head when you were a child?

Russia enslaves nations for decades, whines when they join NATO.

Need a tissue?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Have you ever heard of the fable the Scorpion and the Frog? well here it is.

In the fable, a scorpion asks a frog to carry it across a river. The frog is hesitant, fearing that the scorpion will sting it. The scorpion assures the frog that it would not sting, as doing so would lead to both their deaths. Trusting the scorpion's words, the frog agrees. However, midway across the river, the scorpion stings the frog, leading to their mutual demise. When the frog asks why the scorpion did it, the scorpion replies, "It's my nature".
In other words it's who they are.
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=50e3...pa2kvVGhlX1Njb3JwaW9uX2FuZF90aGVfRnJvZw&ntb=1

Cool story bro.

Who is the frog and who is the scorpion in your fantasy?

 

[Deadstick]

Cool story bro.

Who is the frog and who is the scorpion in your fantasy?

It should be clear to you and the Ukrainians you are the Scorpion, you just can't help yourself, it's who you are.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It should be clear to you and the Ukrainians you are the Scorpion, you just can't help yourself, it's who you are.

And the frog?

 

[Deadstick]

And the frog?

The Russians trying to help them but they are beyond help, the deal the Russians put on the table back in 2013 when the Maidan jerks went berserk was for $15 billion aid package to Ukraine with no strings attached, no austerity no IMF, so they must be stupid.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Russians trying to help them but they are beyond help, the deal the Russians put on the table back in 2013 when the Maidan jerks went berserk was for $15 billion aid package to Ukraine with no strings attached, no austerity no IMF, so they must be stupid.

Poor Russian frog, just trying to help everybody.

DURR

 

[Deadstick]

Poor Russian frog, just trying to help everybody.

DURR

Unlike the EU and the IMF, but they don't deserve any help so now they will end up with a small Ukraine if any at all.

 

[Zavulon]

Even if they are "evil bloodthirsty goons, led by an irrational dictator"?

We are not. "And let anyone who doubts our peacefulness drown in their own blood, for our kindness is merciless!"
You know, something like:

 

[Zavulon]

Russia enslaves nations for decades, whines when they join NATO.

Need a tissue?

"Enslaving" of them was an act of mercy, which they, actually, didn't deserve. May be, this time, we'll just kill them all.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Mexicans in southern Texas start an armed revolt, prompted by the Mexican President, and say southern Texas is going to be part of Mexico, now. Then Mexico invades.

So we all say, "Oh, that's fine, a lot of people there speak Mexican."

Thats MAGA's stance, on Ukraine.

That's almost perfect! Except, the "Mexicans" here are ethnic Russians in Donbass who voted OVERWHELMINGLY to rejoin Russia and were attacked by Globalists Nazis.

 

[berg80]

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky faces growing pressure from the U.S. to accept major territorial losses and other concessions in President Trump's peace plan, two Ukrainian officials tell Axios.

Why it matters: After weeks of intense diplomacy, the Ukrainians still think aspects of the current U.S. plan favor Moscow and that the U.S. is pushing Zelensky much harder than they're pushing Russian President Vladimir Putin.

A U.S. official denied that, stressing that the U.S. also pressed Putin to soften his demands.

• Meanwhile, Zelensky is meeting a parade of Europe's most powerful leaders this week. They're offering reassurance that Ukraine doesn't need to give in to Putin, or to Trump.

Breaking it down: The negotiations have homed in on two issues: Russia's demand that Ukraine cede the entire Donbas region, including parts its forces don't control, and Ukraine's request for strong security guarantees from the U.S. to prevent future Russian aggression.

https://www.axios.com/2025/12/08/zelensky-trump-ukraine-peace-plan-donbas?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top

Dotard's envoys (his son-in-law and his real estate developer buddy) want Ukraine to cede the entire Donbas region to Russia, envisioning a new era of "strategic stability" with Moscow that could unlock vast commercial opportunities. Cuz commercial opportunities are what Dotard thinks about. Not the slaughter of women and children by Putin or Ukraine's territorial integrity.

 

[Zavulon]

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky faces growing pressure from the U.S. to accept major territorial losses and other concessions in President Trump's peace plan, two Ukrainian officials tell Axios.

Why it matters: After weeks of intense diplomacy, the Ukrainians still think aspects of the current U.S. plan favor Moscow and that the U.S. is pushing Zelensky much harder than they're pushing Russian President Vladimir Putin.

A U.S. official denied that, stressing that the U.S. also pressed Putin to soften his demands.

• Meanwhile, Zelensky is meeting a parade of Europe's most powerful leaders this week. They're offering reassurance that Ukraine doesn't need to give in to Putin, or to Trump.

Breaking it down: The negotiations have homed in on two issues: Russia's demand that Ukraine cede the entire Donbas region, including parts its forces don't control, and Ukraine's request for strong security guarantees from the U.S. to prevent future Russian aggression.

https://www.axios.com/2025/12/08/zelensky-trump-ukraine-peace-plan-donbas?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top

Dotard's envoys (his son-in-law and his real estate developer buddy) want Ukraine to cede the entire Donbas region to Russia, envisioning a new era of "strategic stability" with Moscow that could unlock vast commercial opportunities. Cuz commercial opportunities are what Dotard thinks about. Not the slaughter of women and children by Putin or Ukraine's territorial integrity.

Don't worry. There will be no treaty, for USA don't even think in the right direction of making peace. It is not about territory and never have been. And while they do not discuss denazification and demilitarisation of Ukraine (and EU) all those negotiations are nothing but imitation of the vivid activity.

 

[MisterBeale]

Britain has invaded 171 countries.

 

[0311]

AP Reporting:

Ukraine would cede territory to Russia in draft of Trump peace plan obtained by AP

President Donald Trump’s plan for ending the war in Ukraine would cede territory to Russia and limit the size of Kyiv’s military, according to a draft proposal obtained by The Associated Press.

apnews.com

Some highlights (or lowlights) from the article:

• For example, the proposal would not only bar Ukraine from joining NATO but would also prevent the alliance’s future expansion. Such a step would be a significant victory for Moscow, which views NATO as a threat.
• Putin would also gain ground he has been unable to win on the battlefield. Under the draft, Moscow would hold all the eastern Donbas region, even though approximately 14% still remains in Ukrainian hands. Ukraine’s military, currently at roughly 880,000 troops, would be reduced to 600,000.
• Under the proposal, Russia would commit to making no future attacks, something the White House views as a concession.
• Russia would also be allowed to keep half of the power generated by Europe’s largest nuclear power plant, Zaporizhzhia, which it captured from Ukraine early during the war.

There seems to be little in it for Ukraine or the US. One has to wonder on what planet such a plan ever saw the light of day.

Zelensky has repeatedly he will NOT cede land to Russia. 47 is pushing Putin's Agenda.

 

[MisterBeale]

Zelensky has repeatedly he will NOT cede land to Russia. 47 is pushing Putin's Agenda.

If he doesn't cede land, he will either wind up dead or living in another country.