Russia annexing Crimea a "mistake"? Or just a sign of things to come?

Little-Acorn

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As we have been hearing for weeks now, Ukraine is a country with many ethnic Russian people. Partly for that reason, many things that go on are more or less Russia-friendly. Gas and oil pipelines cross the country, bringing Russian fossil fuels to large markets in Europe, etc. And now we hear that Crimea (a region of Ukraine that sticks out into the Black Sea as a peninsula) has voted overwhelmingly to leave Ukraine and become a part of Russia.

Surely Russian leader Vladimir Putin must be happy over that. But might it be a mistake?

From Wikipedia:
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Many Ukrainians are of Russian ancestry, speaking Russian, loyal (somewhat) to the Motherland. But they are NOT a majority in any part of Ukraine... except in Crimea.

Now, whenever issues come up that Putin would like to see swinging in Russia's favor, he can usually count on the heavy influence of ethnic Russians to make things go the way he wants.

But if Crimea leaves Ukraine, the most heavily Russian influence will no longer have a voice in the country's affairs. In the rest of the country, ethnic Russians are only a minority. And in much of it, they are a SMALL minority.

Having Crimea leave the country of Ukraine, might be the worst thing that could happen to the country, from Russia's point of view. If vital votes come up about the economic effects of the pipelines, Putin can no longer count on such heavy Russian influence.

But surely Putin knows that, and has been well aware of it for years. Yet here he is pushing for annexing Crimea into Russia, seemingly with little concern for the outcomes of future votes in the Ukrainian government.

Could that mean that Putin has already decided on "other methods" to make sure those future votes come out the way he wants?

News reports this morning show that 60,000 Russian troops are already massing along the border betyween Ukraine and Russia. And they're not there to force Crimea to join Russia - the Crimeans just voted by better than 90%, to join voluntarily (for what that's worth)... it's apparently already a done deal.

So those masses of Russian troops, must have a different desination in mind. And it isn't the Crimean part of Ukraine.

Crimeans Choose to Join Russia in Vote, Exit Poll Shows - Bloomberg

Are we seeing the first steps toward the intended rebuilding of the old Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR)?
 
Though the eastern regions of Ukraine have the greatest proportions of ethnic Russians, those happen to be the LEAST heavily populated areas, except of a few cities of relatively small size.

The central and western parts of Ukraine where most of the population resides, have relatively few ethnic Russians.

If Russia annexes Crimea, they might be literally cutting off their noses to spite their faces. They can count on fewer and fewer majority votes on matters concerning those oil and gas pipelines.

Unless they already have plans in place to ensure Ukraine's "cooperation" by other means, in the near future.

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Putin is stealing a fucking country folks.


don't make excuses for this KGB dictator
 
Ukraine's actions are fully unacceptable. Clearly they are manipulating the situation, and this is not acceptable when it comes to another country's autonomy. But the EU (of which Ukraine is a part of) and America are pathetic and will do nothing against this.
 
Ukraine is not a part of the EU. There was a vote in 2008 and Ukranians rejected being part of the EU. To Ukranians, the mistake happened in 1954 when they got their independence. It is now being rectified by vote.
 
Ukraine's actions are fully unacceptable.
Do you mean, Russia's actions? If so, I agree. But it's not like this is something new. Russia has long experience in taking over neighboring countries.

Sounds like some Ukrainians are fighting against a Russian takeover of the entire country, while other Ukrainians are fighting FOR such a takeover.

And I'm sure those 60,000 Russian troops massing along the Russia/Ukraine border, are there just to sit back, pop open a cold one, and watch that fun from a safe distance. Right? :badgrin:
 

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