Zone1 Russel Kirk Conservative Principle #1 - An enduring moral order

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Sounds like a detailed version of ‘laws are designed to keep honest people honest’.
Then when you apply people’s inherent need to belong, coupled with promotion/propaganda, and the promotion/propaganda that morality is totally subjective, hedonism prevails and the society crumbles.
It’s really a larger matter of who is controlling the messaging.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Sounds like a detailed version of ‘laws are designed to keep honest people honest’.

Other way around.

As John Adams stated....the constitution was created for a moral people.

You can have the perfect government and if people are lying, stealing, assaulting, bribing, whoring, and whever elsing.....society is going to suck.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Other way around.

As John Adams stated....the constitution was created for a moral people.

You can have the perfect government and if people are lying, stealing, assaulting, bribing, whoring, and whever elsing.....society is going to suck.

Indeed. I was debating an atheist, and granted that even if my Catholic Christian God didn't exist, the fact that a society followed Christian values/ethics and were kept in check by the belief in God's judgment would produce a better society, even if the religion itself was a farce. It's not as important whether the founding fathers were devoutly Christian, they used biblical and judeo-Christian western philosophy and values to create the foundations of the nation.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Indeed. I was debating an atheist, and granted that even if my Catholic Christian God didn't exist, the fact that a society followed Christian values/ethics and were kept in check by the belief in God's judgment would produce a better society, even if the religion itself was a farce. It's not as important whether the founding fathers were devoutly Christian, they used biblical and judeo-Christian western philosophy and values to create the foundations of the nation.

The greatest hypocrisy being those who deny and argue this moral order yet benefit from it.

 

[HikerGuy83]

The greatest hypocrisy being those who deny and argue this moral order yet benefit from it.

You will always have "takers".

It's part of mortality.

But that "enduring moral order" extends beyond this life and God is perfectly just. Nobody "gets away" with anything in the end.