Rush Limbaugh: Conservative States Are 'Trending Toward Secession'

[DrLove]

As much as I'd love to see a few states secede, they can't - It would be illegal.

The US Supreme Court ruled that the Texas secession of 1861 was unconstitutional, and had never been valid. ... According to the ruling, secession was illegal both at the time of the ruling (1869) and at the time Texas attempted to secede (1861), and in fact at any time after Texas joined the union in 1845.

Liar no it didn't, that lawsuit was about $$$

Secession is illegal - But go ahead and try it my furry friend. Might be fun!

 

[Wyatt earp]

As much as I'd love to see a few states secede, they can't - It would be illegal.

The US Supreme Court ruled that the Texas secession of 1861 was unconstitutional, and had never been valid. ... According to the ruling, secession was illegal both at the time of the ruling (1869) and at the time Texas attempted to secede (1861), and in fact at any time after Texas joined the union in 1845.

Liar no it didn't, that lawsuit was about $$$

Secession is illegal - But go ahead and try it my furry friend. Might be fun!

So is smoking pot

 

[DrLove]

As much as I'd love to see a few states secede, they can't - It would be illegal.

The US Supreme Court ruled that the Texas secession of 1861 was unconstitutional, and had never been valid. ... According to the ruling, secession was illegal both at the time of the ruling (1869) and at the time Texas attempted to secede (1861), and in fact at any time after Texas joined the union in 1845.

Liar no it didn't, that lawsuit was about $$$

Secession is illegal - But go ahead and try it my furry friend. Might be fun!

So is smoking pot

Smoking weed is illegal? Not where I live. So you are suggesting insurrection by coup? Fun - Just know that all military personnel and equipment will be removed from you control. Social security checks? - Nope. FEMA assistance for those devastating southern hurricanes and tornados? Nope. You won't get to have nice things anymore.

 

[Wyatt earp]

As much as I'd love to see a few states secede, they can't - It would be illegal.

The US Supreme Court ruled that the Texas secession of 1861 was unconstitutional, and had never been valid. ... According to the ruling, secession was illegal both at the time of the ruling (1869) and at the time Texas attempted to secede (1861), and in fact at any time after Texas joined the union in 1845.

Liar no it didn't, that lawsuit was about $$$

Secession is illegal - But go ahead and try it my furry friend. Might be fun!

So is smoking pot

Smoking weed is illegal? Not where I live. So you are suggesting insurrection by coup? Fun - Just know that all military personnel and equipment will be removed from you control. Social security checks? - Nope. FEMA assistance for those devastating southern hurricanes and tornados? Nope. You won't get to have nice things anymore.

Yes it is illegal.... Look up the federal laws that you use to say secession is illegal

 

[DrLove]

As much as I'd love to see a few states secede, they can't - It would be illegal.

The US Supreme Court ruled that the Texas secession of 1861 was unconstitutional, and had never been valid. ... According to the ruling, secession was illegal both at the time of the ruling (1869) and at the time Texas attempted to secede (1861), and in fact at any time after Texas joined the union in 1845.

Liar no it didn't, that lawsuit was about $$$

Secession is illegal - But go ahead and try it my furry friend. Might be fun!

So is smoking pot

Smoking weed is illegal? Not where I live. So you are suggesting insurrection by coup? Fun - Just know that all military personnel and equipment will be removed from you control. Social security checks? - Nope. FEMA assistance for those devastating southern hurricanes and tornados? Nope. You won't get to have nice things anymore.

Yes it is illegal.... Look up the federal laws that you use to say secession is illegal

Unconstitutional - No provision for such. Yes, you might be able to make a roundabout argument based on other elements of the constitution. Maybe after your politicians are tried for treason.

This is one of the questions of the day, and it appears to be no longer a mere abstract or theoretical question. The Constitution makes no provision for secession. A Government is not a corporation whose existence is limited by a fixed period of time, nor does it provide a means for its own dissolution. The Constitution of the United States provides that it may be amended, and prescribes how this may be done, but it does not, as it exists now, contemplate its own destruction, nor a dissolution of the Government of which it is the living evidence. Constitutionally, there can be no such thing as secession of a State from the Union.

 

[Wyatt earp]

As much as I'd love to see a few states secede, they can't - It would be illegal.

The US Supreme Court ruled that the Texas secession of 1861 was unconstitutional, and had never been valid. ... According to the ruling, secession was illegal both at the time of the ruling (1869) and at the time Texas attempted to secede (1861), and in fact at any time after Texas joined the union in 1845.

Liar no it didn't, that lawsuit was about $$$

Secession is illegal - But go ahead and try it my furry friend. Might be fun!

So is smoking pot

Smoking weed is illegal? Not where I live. So you are suggesting insurrection by coup? Fun - Just know that all military personnel and equipment will be removed from you control. Social security checks? - Nope. FEMA assistance for those devastating southern hurricanes and tornados? Nope. You won't get to have nice things anymore.

Yes it is illegal.... Look up the federal laws that you use to say secession is illegal

Unconstitutional - No provision for such. Yes, you might be able to make a roundabout argument based on other elements of the constitution. Maybe after your politicians are tried for treason.

This is one of the questions of the day, and it appears to be no longer a mere abstract or theoretical question. The Constitution makes no provision for secession. A Government is not a corporation whose existence is limited by a fixed period of time, nor does it provide a means for its own dissolution. The Constitution of the United States provides that it may be amended, and prescribes how this may be done, but it does not, as it exists now, contemplate its own destruction, nor a dissolution of the Government of which it is the living evidence. Constitutionally, there can be no such thing as secession of a State from the Union.

So in your world the land of the free, is not free??????

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

John Roberts is the John McCain of the Supreme Court.....

I usually refer to him as Benedict Roberts.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Your surrender to Putin's interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election is noted. In actuality, the FBI, NSA, CIA, and two Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committees on Intelligence all confirmed that the Russian government orchestrated the assault at the direction of Vladimir Putin to promote division and to bolster Trump’s campaign.

Bipartisan U.S. Senate report backs spy agencies' findings on Russia

The U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee concurred with spy agencies' findings that Russia sought to boost now-President Donald Trump's 2016 campaign, according to a bipartisan report declassified and released on Tuesday.

www.reuters.com

If you need to believe the KGB thug rather than accept the American consensus, your allegiance is noted.

Asked if he believed US intelligence agencies, which concluded that Russia interfered in the 2016 election to help him defeat Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton:

All they were trying to do is interfere, but accomplished nothing. Like I said, ran some Facebook adds is really all they did. Why would they be for Trump when they likely had a copy of Hillary's server and had plenty to blackmail her on? If Trump was predicted to be the clear winner, they would have did the same thing only with Hillary instead of Trump. In any case, Trump had nothing to do with what Russia did or didn't do.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Why every minority groups vote Democrat? Because the Reps are considered party of white people. And if that is not changed, this party has no future. I early wrote about the Hidpanics. With their family values and religious views they can be natural allies of the conservatives. And not to use such 'force' is quite unreasonable.

Why dont you like idea about confederation? Where there won't be a central government in a form an upper governing body and the DC won't have virtually any say in the internal matters of the stare? You have to be realistic about your ideas, if you want to get the things done. Every more or less good solution is in 'the middle'.

My point is there is no middle any longer. The left has drifted so far left and continues to do so. Where is the middle between constitutionalism and Communism? It's like saying there's a middle between oil and water. Now do you see what's going on? The three stoogettes plus one want to oust Nancy Piglosi and Shoemaker from leadership. They want to drive the party to pure Socialism. It's happening right in front of our faces.

The Republican party is not about race, it's about conservatism. Anybody of any race can join. Republicans don't treat minorities like the kids on the short bus, Republicans believe in treating all people equal. Our motto is a rising tide lifts all boats, and that is exemplified by the economy we had before the virus. Women and every minority group had the lowest unemployment since records were kept. Republicans are not the white party, but the Democrats are the anti-white party.

There was a poll out years ago but I lost it when I changed computers. They asked various people questions about their political beliefs. What they found is that 30% of the people that answered the questions in a conservative way were not Republican voters. We here in USMB and like services are very knowledgeable about politics, but most of the country is not. Given the fact the media and social media are dominated by leftists, they are able to tear down the Republican party on a daily basis. So the Hispanic vote is not going to change anytime soon, and likely never will.

 

[schmidlap]

All they were trying to do is interfere, but accomplished nothing.

Your attempt to defend a foreign power's interfering in a U.S. election to help Trump as confirmed by the FBI, NSA, CIA, and two Republican-run Senate investigations fails.

Patriotic Americans - Republicans, Democrats, and Independents - will defend and safeguard the nation against pernicious elements such as Trump's neo-nazi fanatics and his crackpot cult that seek to destroy it and fulfill Putin's agenda.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Your attempt to defend a foreign power's interfering in a U.S. election to help Trump as confirmed by the FBI, NSA, CIA, and two Republican-run Senate investigations fails.

Patriotic Americans - Republicans, Democrats, and Independents - will defend and safeguard the nation against pernicious elements such as Trump's neo-nazi fanatics and his crackpot cult that seek to destroy it and fulfill Putin's agenda.

Mueller even said there is no evidence of any American working with the Russians to alter the election. Of course that's a lie too since that's exactly what Hillary and the DNC did, but not Trump. Citizen Donald Trump had no ties with Russia nor did he have any power. What Russia does is what they decided to do--not a US citizen running for President.

 

[ESay]

Why every minority groups vote Democrat? Because the Reps are considered party of white people. And if that is not changed, this party has no future. I early wrote about the Hidpanics. With their family values and religious views they can be natural allies of the conservatives. And not to use such 'force' is quite unreasonable.

Why dont you like idea about confederation? Where there won't be a central government in a form an upper governing body and the DC won't have virtually any say in the internal matters of the stare? You have to be realistic about your ideas, if you want to get the things done. Every more or less good solution is in 'the middle'.

My point is there is no middle any longer. The left has drifted so far left and continues to do so. Where is the middle between constitutionalism and Communism? It's like saying there's a middle between oil and water. Now do you see what's going on? The three stoogettes plus one want to oust Nancy Piglosi and Shoemaker from leadership. They want to drive the party to pure Socialism. It's happening right in front of our faces.

The Republican party is not about race, it's about conservatism. Anybody of any race can join. Republicans don't treat minorities like the kids on the short bus, Republicans believe in treating all people equal. Our motto is a rising tide lifts all boats, and that is exemplified by the economy we had before the virus. Women and every minority group had the lowest unemployment since records were kept. Republicans are not the white party, but the Democrats are the anti-white party.

There was a poll out years ago but I lost it when I changed computers. They asked various people questions about their political beliefs. What they found is that 30% of the people that answered the questions in a conservative way were not Republican voters. We here in USMB and like services are very knowledgeable about politics, but most of the country is not. Given the fact the media and social media are dominated by leftists, they are able to tear down the Republican party on a daily basis. So the Hispanic vote is not going to change anytime soon, and likely never will.

Well, I dont know what to say. Your words virtually say that you conservatives are in a circle and there is no way out. You cant get the most numerous minority on your side, the main media are against you, your main political opponents gain momentum etc. Add to that - and that is most important - the current demographic works against you. So, what remains? Retreat?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Well, I dont know what to say. Your words virtually say that you conservatives are in a circle and there is no way out. You cant get the most numerous minority on your side, the main media are against you, your main political opponents gain momentum etc. Add to that - and that is most important - the current demographic works against you. So, what remains? Retreat?

No, as I said, the only hope is to divide this country in two so we have two totally separate countries. If we don't, eventually these Socialists will takeover, from there we slip into Communism. People won't realize it until (or if) the day comes where they actually tell people what they are at that time. I'll likely be off this planet by then, but I leave behind a wonderful nephew and niece that is going to inherit this country from us. Like those before us, my desire is to leave a better country to them than when I lived in it.

 

[jasonnfree]

Strange thread. Trump refuses to accept the fact that he lost the popular and electoral vote and the democrats are the bad guys? By now quite a few more normal republicans are against him. Mara Lago residents are saying they don't want him living in their neighborhood and now the New York authorities are ready to give him his day of reckoning.

Mar-a-Lago neighbors tell Trump to spend his post-presidency days elsewhere

A legal maneuver could force Palm Beach to publicly address whether President Donald Trump can make Mar-a-Lago his legal residence and home, as he has been expected to do, when he becomes an ex-president after the swearing-in of Joe Biden...

www.seattletimes.com

Oh please. There is a topic started on this already. One TDS loser is trying to stop him from going there. One person is not "everybody," many or most people. It's one moron that has too much time and money on their hands.

I didn't know there was a similar thread. TDS is the best you can do? Every thing I say about Trump is true. Look at the number of associates of his who are basically thugs who are either in jail, awaiting trial, pardoned by trump etc. Show me who your friends are and I'll show you who you are as the old saying goes. This I apply to Trump and it's a big reason the Mare Lago residents don't want criminal scum like Trump in their neighborhood. He's basically a thug himself. It'll be interesting to see what the New York prosecutors find out about him and his real estate deals.

 

[ESay]

Well, I dont know what to say. Your words virtually say that you conservatives are in a circle and there is no way out. You cant get the most numerous minority on your side, the main media are against you, your main political opponents gain momentum etc. Add to that - and that is most important - the current demographic works against you. So, what remains? Retreat?

No, as I said, the only hope is to divide this country in two so we have two totally separate countries. If we don't, eventually these Socialists will takeover, from there we slip into Communism. People won't realize it until (or if) the day comes where they actually tell people what they are at that time. I'll likely be off this planet by then, but I leave behind a wonderful nephew and niece that is going to inherit this country from us. Like those before us, my desire is to leave a better country to them than when I lived in it.

I dont think it will happen in the form you want. The Dems gain control over the country and their hold will getting stronger. What reason will they have to concede you half a country?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I dont think it will happen in the form you want. The Dems gain control over the country and their hold will getting stronger. What reason will they have to concede you half a country?

Correct, which is why we need to act quickly before they get that kind of power. Problem is, everybody thinks things will stay the same as today. Of course Democrats won't go for it. They know if they ran their own country with their current policies, they'd be bankrupt in two years. Our country would be doing fantastic. Low crime, low taxes, flourishing businesses, no illegals, increasing property values, social programs only for those who actually needed them, no more bureaucracies running our life. I mean.....it would be the greatest country in the world.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I didn't know there was a similar thread. TDS is the best you can do? Every thing I say about Trump is true. Look at the number of associates of his who are basically thugs who are either in jail, awaiting trial, pardoned by trump etc. Show me who your friends are and I'll show you who you are as the old saying goes. This I apply to Trump and it's a big reason the Mare Lago residents don't want criminal scum like Trump in their neighborhood. He's basically a thug himself. It'll be interesting to see what the New York prosecutors find out about him and his real estate deals.

Oh please. Trump is 74 years old, has been under near constant IRS audits just like others in his league. If he was doing something wrong, he wouldn't have gotten away with it for well over a half-century. The man is no criminal, it's just a Socialist/ Communist delusion. Anybody that disagrees with a Democrat, they want to throw them in prison. In Trump's case, he's never been arrested, never been charged, never been convicted, and certainly never spent a day in jail. He never smoked, never drank, and never took one illegal narcotic. What are they going to do to this guy? Think he makes out his own taxes?

The utter hatred of the left because a winner happens to be in the Republican party just drives leftists nuts. If you don't think that's TDS, then you don't know what TDS is. Leftists hate Trump because he's a member of the Republican party, and did such a great job with this country.

 

[ESay]

I dont think it will happen in the form you want. The Dems gain control over the country and their hold will getting stronger. What reason will they have to concede you half a country?

Correct, which is why we need to act quickly before they get that kind of power. Problem is, everybody thinks things will stay the same as today. Of course Democrats won't go for it. They know if they ran their own country with their current policies, they'd be bankrupt in two years. Our country would be doing fantastic. Low crime, low taxes, flourishing businesses, no illegals, increasing property values, social programs only for those who actually needed them, no more bureaucracies running our life. I mean.....it would be the greatest country in the world.

It would be great if you could create such a country. But real life isn't so cloudless as theory is. Is there at least one conservative state with the size of population more at least 3 million people which fits your description?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It would be great if you could create such a country. But real life isn't so cloudless as theory is. Is there at least one conservative state with the size of population more at least 3 million people which fits your description?

States have to live by national standard as well. The EPA came to our state and said we have too much pollution, so they forced us into E-check. To get your plates or tags, your car has to pass the e-check test every two years. Mind you this is not the entire state, just a select few counties. After ten years, they got their little pollution meter out to test the air again. No difference. Instead of concluding that e-check is a failure and should be done away with it, they forced us to keep it another ten years.

The EPA said they didn't like our drinking water in northeast Ohio. Fine, if you come here, don't drink our water! No. The federal government says you have to have cleaner water which cost us billions of dollars which we pay for in our water and sewer bills. Mind you we are also paying for water and sewer infrastructure on top of that. I spend several thousand dollars a year to pay these bills for me and my tenants.

We have crime because of Democrats. The feds move in their high-crime lowlifes into suburbs with HUD, and they destroy the community. Biden's plans is to put that on steroids. He and Booker have been working on it for months. A state cannot refuse to allow a federal program to help lowlifes, so billions of dollars in property value are lost every year. That goes for every federal social program as well that we have to pay into.

So you see, a Republican state has little control over the perfect country I described. The only way to create this perfect environment is to create a Republican country.

 

[ESay]

It would be great if you could create such a country. But real life isn't so cloudless as theory is. Is there at least one conservative state with the size of population more at least 3 million people which fits your description?

States have to live by national standard as well. The EPA came to our state and said we have too much pollution, so they forced us into E-check. To get your plates or tags, your car has to pass the e-check test every two years. Mind you this is not the entire state, just a select few counties. After ten years, they got their little pollution meter out to test the air again. No difference. Instead of concluding that e-check is a failure and should be done away with it, they forced us to keep it another ten years.

The EPA said they didn't like our drinking water in northeast Ohio. Fine, if you come here, don't drink our water! No. The federal government says you have to have cleaner water which cost us billions of dollars which we pay for in our water and sewer bills. Mind you we are also paying for water and sewer infrastructure on top of that. I spend several thousand dollars a year to pay these bills for me and my tenants.

We have crime because of Democrats. The feds move in their high-crime lowlifes into suburbs with HUD, and they destroy the community. Biden's plans is to put that on steroids. He and Booker have been working on it for months. A state cannot refuse to allow a federal program to help lowlifes, so billions of dollars in property value are lost every year. That goes for every federal social program as well that we have to pay into.

So you see, a Republican state has little control over the perfect country I described. The only way to create this perfect environment is to create a Republican country.

Okay, so what are your proposals to achieve your goal? What first steps should be undertaken and in what time frame should they be done?