Roosevelt....the Un-Reagan

[Jroc]

and proudly noted during his 1988 campaign for president that he had threatened to “go public” with covert action plans by the Reagan administration, causing them to cancel the operations."
Congressional Oversight and the Crippling of the CIA.

What?

A Senator threatened to go public if President Reagan and the CIA took part in illegal covert actions?

Democrat Liberals have regularly been traitors to America.

1. [Democrat] Senator Pat Leahy was annoyed with the Reagan administration's war on terrorism in the 1980s. At the time he was vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. ....disclosed a top-secret communications intercept ...Leahy leaked secret information about a 1986 covert operation planned by the Reagan administration ...had to resign his Intelligence Committee post after he was caught leaking secret information ....
American Chronicle | Sen. Leahy to FBI Director: Give Me Secret Information

2. In 1983, [Democrat] Sen. Edward M. Kennedy offered to help the Soviets mount a public-relations offensive in the United States. Ted Kennedy sides with Soviets. Traitor [Archive] - Georgia Outdoor News Forum

3. Freeh: "Unfortunately, the [Clinton] White House was unable or unwilling to help the FBI gain access to these critical witnesses. The only direction from the Clinton administration regarding Iran was to order the FBI to stop photographing and fingerprinting official Iranian delegations entering the U.S. because it was adversely impacting our "relationship" with Tehran. "

BTW, Freeh: "I finally turned to the former President Bush, who immediately interceded with Crown Prince Abdullah on the FBI's behalf. Mr. Bush personally asked the Saudis to let the FBI do one-on-one interviews of the detained Khobar bombers. The Saudis immediately acceded."
Remember Khobar Towers by Louis J. Freeh
Michelle Malkin » KHOBAR TOWERS: 10 YEARS LATER



4. Here at home, the Obama administration has gravely impaired our capability to gather human intelligence by declassifying hundreds of pages of documents that explain our interrogation techniques—information that is now probably in al-Qaeda training manuals. https://www.hillsdale.edu/news/impri...=2009&month=10

Liberals formed this country. The conservatives were fighting against Liberals and along side the British.

Pick up a history book and stop sourcing Alex Jones wannbees.

Liberals fight for liberty and self determination? You're a blithering idiot

Say's the biggest blithering idiot on the board, Jroc.

By the way, Anne Coulter still holding out for you to come to Jesus.

That would be considered an option, not a mandate So you're not only a pencil neck, but a low I.Q. pencil neck ...You're all screwed up boy

 

[Sallow]

What?

A Senator threatened to go public if President Reagan and the CIA took part in illegal covert actions?

Democrat Liberals have regularly been traitors to America.

1. [Democrat] Senator Pat Leahy was annoyed with the Reagan administration's war on terrorism in the 1980s. At the time he was vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. ....disclosed a top-secret communications intercept ...Leahy leaked secret information about a 1986 covert operation planned by the Reagan administration ...had to resign his Intelligence Committee post after he was caught leaking secret information ....
American Chronicle | Sen. Leahy to FBI Director: Give Me Secret Information

2. In 1983, [Democrat] Sen. Edward M. Kennedy offered to help the Soviets mount a public-relations offensive in the United States. Ted Kennedy sides with Soviets. Traitor [Archive] - Georgia Outdoor News Forum

3. Freeh: "Unfortunately, the [Clinton] White House was unable or unwilling to help the FBI gain access to these critical witnesses. The only direction from the Clinton administration regarding Iran was to order the FBI to stop photographing and fingerprinting official Iranian delegations entering the U.S. because it was adversely impacting our "relationship" with Tehran. "

BTW, Freeh: "I finally turned to the former President Bush, who immediately interceded with Crown Prince Abdullah on the FBI's behalf. Mr. Bush personally asked the Saudis to let the FBI do one-on-one interviews of the detained Khobar bombers. The Saudis immediately acceded."
Remember Khobar Towers by Louis J. Freeh
Michelle Malkin » KHOBAR TOWERS: 10 YEARS LATER



4. Here at home, the Obama administration has gravely impaired our capability to gather human intelligence by declassifying hundreds of pages of documents that explain our interrogation techniques—information that is now probably in al-Qaeda training manuals. https://www.hillsdale.edu/news/impri...=2009&month=10

Liberals formed this country. The conservatives were fighting against Liberals and along side the British.

Pick up a history book and stop sourcing Alex Jones wannbees.

Liberals fight for liberty and self determination? You're a blithering idiot

Say's the biggest blithering idiot on the board, Jroc.

By the way, Anne Coulter still holding out for you to come to Jesus.

That would be considered an option, not a mandate So you're not only a pencil neck, but a low I.Q. pencil neck ...You're all screwed up boy

Go to him Jroc, Anne Coulter that is..



You sho' ah one fine Quisling, ain't ya?

 

[Jroc]

Democrat Liberals have regularly been traitors to America.

1. [Democrat] Senator Pat Leahy was annoyed with the Reagan administration's war on terrorism in the 1980s. At the time he was vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. ....disclosed a top-secret communications intercept ...Leahy leaked secret information about a 1986 covert operation planned by the Reagan administration ...had to resign his Intelligence Committee post after he was caught leaking secret information ....
American Chronicle | Sen. Leahy to FBI Director: Give Me Secret Information

2. In 1983, [Democrat] Sen. Edward M. Kennedy offered to help the Soviets mount a public-relations offensive in the United States. Ted Kennedy sides with Soviets. Traitor [Archive] - Georgia Outdoor News Forum

3. Freeh: "Unfortunately, the [Clinton] White House was unable or unwilling to help the FBI gain access to these critical witnesses. The only direction from the Clinton administration regarding Iran was to order the FBI to stop photographing and fingerprinting official Iranian delegations entering the U.S. because it was adversely impacting our "relationship" with Tehran. "

BTW, Freeh: "I finally turned to the former President Bush, who immediately interceded with Crown Prince Abdullah on the FBI's behalf. Mr. Bush personally asked the Saudis to let the FBI do one-on-one interviews of the detained Khobar bombers. The Saudis immediately acceded."
Remember Khobar Towers by Louis J. Freeh
Michelle Malkin » KHOBAR TOWERS: 10 YEARS LATER



4. Here at home, the Obama administration has gravely impaired our capability to gather human intelligence by declassifying hundreds of pages of documents that explain our interrogation techniques—information that is now probably in al-Qaeda training manuals. https://www.hillsdale.edu/news/impri...=2009&month=10

Liberals formed this country. The conservatives were fighting against Liberals and along side the British.

Pick up a history book and stop sourcing Alex Jones wannbees.

Liberals fight for liberty and self determination? You're a blithering idiot

Say's the biggest blithering idiot on the board, Jroc.

By the way, Anne Coulter still holding out for you to come to Jesus.

That would be considered an option, not a mandate So you're not only a pencil neck, but a low I.Q. pencil neck ...You're all screwed up boy

Go to him Jroc, Anne Coulter that is..



You sho' ah one fine Quisling, ain't ya?

When Ann Coluter is running the country, and mandates all Jews become Christian you let me know boy. Why do you suck liberal ass, as they tell you how you have to live your life?

 

[rightwinger]

Reagan was no FDR

Reagan: Mr Gorbachev....please tear down this wall

FDR kicked the fucking wall down

Actually he helped create the wall.

You might want to make sure your history is aligned.

I don't dislike FDR like some. I just don't believe he was as great as some make him out to be. Of course, I accord Ronald Reagan the same thing.

Considering their circumstances, they both did O.K.

If Reagan had been in office during WWII, he might have cut lose the army on Russia. Which would have been a disaster.

If Roosevelt had been in office during the 1980's, we might not have recovered like we did.

We'll never know.

FDR saved Western Europe
Stalin conquered Eastern Europe. Nothing short of declaring war on the USSR was going to dislodge them

To get his part of Europe, FDR lost about 200,000 Americans
To get his part of Europe, Stalin lost about 20 million Russians

Looks like FDR got the better part of the deal

Stalin didn't spend 20 million to get his part of Eastern Europe. He was invaded.

Please don't be such a liar.

You'd figure that with so many losses, he be spent. Which he was.

FDR and Churchhill caved on the Eastern Europe.

I am sure the people of East Berlin felt that FDR got the better part of the deal.

Can you be any more stupid ?

Eastern Europe was not a bargaining chip. It was occupied by the Red Army
The part of the deal FDR got was West Berlin right in the middle of occupied East Germany

 

[Unkotare]

Oh how the Conservatives hate FDR for protecting Americans.

I'm sure the Americans he threw into his concentration camps felt quite "protected." The barbed wire and armed guard towers must have been so reassuring.

 

[rightwinger]

The media brought down the Nixon administration over a second rate burglary that was common in FDR, Truman, JFK and LBJ's time. Imagine what the media could have done to the FDR administration if they weren't in the tank for democrats.

Yep- from the viewpoint of Conservatives like yourself- a 'diligent' media would have prevented FDR from leading the United States to victory over Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.

Would have prevented Americans from the horrors of Social Security.
Would have prevented Americans from the indignity of unemployment checks
Would have allowed bank runs to thrive as Americans lost faith in banks without depositers insurance.
Would have allowed the farmers to be run out of business

Oh how the Conservatives hate FDR for protecting Americans.

FDR led the United States to war. Harry Truman led the United States to the twisted semblance of victory. FDR promised to end the mild recession in 1932 and under his leadership the recession turned into a man killing bodies in the ditch soup line depression for his next two terms.. The federal government has been running farmers out of business since FDR created the alphabet federal schemes that were designed to make the DNC rich.The Media forced Nixon to resign but in retrospect a 2nd rate burglary doesn't come close to comparing the Constitutional insult of the the incarceration of American citizens without due process.

"Mild recession"? What total nonsense and dishonesty. Look up Great Depression and every scholarly and academic account has it beginning with the market crash of 1929. As another poster has pointed out, the unemployment was up to 25% when FDR came into the Presidency four years after the market crash and the Depression was in full swing. Notice the FDR critics always leave out a little piece of information about a thing called the Dust Bowl. They play like the Dust Bowl storms that destroyed the agriculture industry in vast stretches of America never happened. Those who look up the Dust Bowl will quickly understand how dishonest the attacks on FDR are. The nation had to deal with a series of natural disasters during the entire time of FDR's Presidency.

Dust bowl is like global warming....never happened

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Reagan was no FDR

Reagan: Mr Gorbachev....please tear down this wall

FDR kicked the fucking wall down

Actually he helped create the wall.

You might want to make sure your history is aligned.

I don't dislike FDR like some. I just don't believe he was as great as some make him out to be. Of course, I accord Ronald Reagan the same thing.

Considering their circumstances, they both did O.K.

If Reagan had been in office during WWII, he might have cut lose the army on Russia. Which would have been a disaster.

If Roosevelt had been in office during the 1980's, we might not have recovered like we did.

We'll never know.

FDR saved Western Europe
Stalin conquered Eastern Europe. Nothing short of declaring war on the USSR was going to dislodge them

To get his part of Europe, FDR lost about 200,000 Americans
To get his part of Europe, Stalin lost about 20 million Russians

Looks like FDR got the better part of the deal

Stalin didn't spend 20 million to get his part of Eastern Europe. He was invaded.

Please don't be such a liar.

You'd figure that with so many losses, he be spent. Which he was.

FDR and Churchhill caved on the Eastern Europe.

I am sure the people of East Berlin felt that FDR got the better part of the deal.

Can you be any more stupid ?

Eastern Europe was not a bargaining chip. It was occupied by the Red Army
The part of the deal FDR got was West Berlin right in the middle of occupied East Germany

You are right.....Roosevelt didn't bargain or try to force him out.

No threats...no nothing.

Rolled over and caved.

Eastern Europe really flourished under Stalin.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

10. For context, and so that one can judge the veracity of Franklin Roosevelt's claims of kinship between the United States and Soviet Bolshevik regime, citizens of the latter were scooped up and sent to Kolyma....

Still waiting for you to explain why you wanted Hitler to defeat the USSR, and link up with Imperial Japan so they could combine their attacks on the United States.

There was an interesting theory on this.

If Hilter had not created two fronts, he would have battled the Soviets harder and depleated them. He would not have won.

Had that happened, he still would have lost and Russia would have been spent...no Iron Curtain.

This didn't happen because of the sabre rattling of the Brits and the U.S.

I found it, at least, plausible.

Let us remember the time line
Hitler was at war the Britain, France etc first
Then attacked the USSR
Then declared war on the U.S.

The 'second front' was when he attacked the USSR. If he had not done that- and had not declared war on Britain- there is a reasonably good chance he would have defeated the Brits in North Africa and taken over the oil fields there also, eventually defeating Britain completely.

His plan was always to go after the USSR. He hated them with a passion.

He did what he simply felt he needed to do.

The fact that he went at Britain first means only that their sabre rattling got his attention. He also had not counted on the U.S. coming to their aid. Of course, if Britain and France been more prepared and willing to fight, he might have seen them as more difficult targets.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

The media brought down the Nixon administration over a second rate burglary that was common in FDR, Truman, JFK and LBJ's time. Imagine what the media could have done to the FDR administration if they weren't in the tank for democrats.

Yep- from the viewpoint of Conservatives like yourself- a 'diligent' media would have prevented FDR from leading the United States to victory over Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.

Would have prevented Americans from the horrors of Social Security.
Would have prevented Americans from the indignity of unemployment checks
Would have allowed bank runs to thrive as Americans lost faith in banks without depositers insurance.
Would have allowed the farmers to be run out of business

Oh how the Conservatives hate FDR for protecting Americans.

FDR led the United States to war. Harry Truman led the United States to the twisted semblance of victory. FDR promised to end the mild recession in 1932 and under his leadership the recession turned into a man killing bodies in the ditch soup line depression for his next two terms.. The federal government has been running farmers out of business since FDR created the alphabet federal schemes that were designed to make the DNC rich.The Media forced Nixon to resign but in retrospect a 2nd rate burglary doesn't come close to comparing the Constitutional insult of the the incarceration of American citizens without due process.

"Mild recession"? What total nonsense and dishonesty. Look up Great Depression and every scholarly and academic account has it beginning with the market crash of 1929. As another poster has pointed out, the unemployment was up to 25% when FDR came into the Presidency four years after the market crash and the Depression was in full swing. Notice the FDR critics always leave out a little piece of information about a thing called the Dust Bowl. They play like the Dust Bowl storms that destroyed the agriculture industry in vast stretches of America never happened. Those who look up the Dust Bowl will quickly understand how dishonest the attacks on FDR are. The nation had to deal with a series of natural disasters during the entire time of FDR's Presidency.

Dust bowl is like global warming....never happened

Clearly, your programming is stuck in a stupid loop.

 

[rightwinger]

Reagan was no FDR

Reagan: Mr Gorbachev....please tear down this wall

FDR kicked the fucking wall down

Actually he helped create the wall.

You might want to make sure your history is aligned.

I don't dislike FDR like some. I just don't believe he was as great as some make him out to be. Of course, I accord Ronald Reagan the same thing.

Considering their circumstances, they both did O.K.

If Reagan had been in office during WWII, he might have cut lose the army on Russia. Which would have been a disaster.

If Roosevelt had been in office during the 1980's, we might not have recovered like we did.

We'll never know.

FDR saved Western Europe
Stalin conquered Eastern Europe. Nothing short of declaring war on the USSR was going to dislodge them

To get his part of Europe, FDR lost about 200,000 Americans
To get his part of Europe, Stalin lost about 20 million Russians

Looks like FDR got the better part of the deal

Stalin didn't spend 20 million to get his part of Eastern Europe. He was invaded.

Please don't be such a liar.

You'd figure that with so many losses, he be spent. Which he was.

FDR and Churchhill caved on the Eastern Europe.

I am sure the people of East Berlin felt that FDR got the better part of the deal.

Can you be any more stupid ?

Eastern Europe was not a bargaining chip. It was occupied by the Red Army
The part of the deal FDR got was West Berlin right in the middle of occupied East Germany

You are right.....Roosevelt didn't bargain or try to force him out.

No threats...no nothing.

Rolled over and caved.

Eastern Europe really flourished under Stalin.

There was nothing to bargain

You were not going to remove the Red Army from territory they fought and died for

What were you going to offer Stalin to get his troops out of Eastern Europe?

 

[Syriusly]

The media brought down the Nixon administration over a second rate burglary that was common in FDR, Truman, JFK and LBJ's time. Imagine what the media could have done to the FDR administration if they weren't in the tank for democrats.

Yep- from the viewpoint of Conservatives like yourself- a 'diligent' media would have prevented FDR from leading the United States to victory over Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.

Would have prevented Americans from the horrors of Social Security.
Would have prevented Americans from the indignity of unemployment checks
Would have allowed bank runs to thrive as Americans lost faith in banks without depositers insurance.
Would have allowed the farmers to be run out of business

Oh how the Conservatives hate FDR for protecting Americans.

FDR led the United States to war. Harry Truman led the United States to the twisted semblance of victory. FDR promised to end the mild recession in 1932 and under his leadership the recession turned into a man killing bodies in the ditch soup line depression for his next two terms.. The federal government has been running farmers out of business since FDR created the alphabet federal schemes that were designed to make the DNC rich.The Media forced Nixon to resign but in retrospect a 2nd rate burglary doesn't come close to comparing the Constitutional insult of the the incarceration of American citizens without due process.

Oh what bitter Conservative revisionist history.

FDR prepared the United States for war, as the world went up in flames- with Germany, Italy, Japan and the Soviet Union were all trying to carve it up.

And when the United States was attacked by Imperial Japan- and when Hitler and Mussolini declared war on the United States- FDR led the United States to victory.

And you are still pissed off about that.

And FDR took the United States from the crushing 25% unemployment in the first year of his presidency to 9% in 1941.

And you are still pissed off about that.

You are still pissed off that FDR was for Americans

FDR had eight years to access the potential enemies of the U.S. but amazingly there was no national intelligence agency. The book "in the garden of the beasts" illustrates the FDR administration's unique ability to underestimate the Nazi threat for his first two terms. The FDR administration's racist based "intelligence" of Japan's threat defies understanding. FDR never prepared the US for war but war was the only thing that could recover the administration in it's 3rd term.

'amazingly there was no national intelligence agency'!
What is amazing about that to you? The United States had never had one and after WW1 was fiercely isolationist- would it have been good if FDR's administration had created on sooner- sure- but FDR's administration was the first one to create a national intelligence agency- the OSS.

And FDR underestimating the Nazi threat was hardly unique- it was pervasive in the United States and in Great Britain. However, FDR did recognize the Nazi threat prior to pretty much everyone else in the United States- remember even Charles Lindburgh was touring the United States lecturing about how the United States should stay out of European matters and praising Hitler.

No doubt that FDR got lots of things wrong- but the facts are very clear- FDR pushed and pushed to start getting our military and industry ready for the war in the late 1930's- and then lead the United States to victory over Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.

And you Conservatives have never forgiven him for that.

 

[Syriusly]

Oh how the Conservatives hate FDR for protecting Americans.

I'm sure the Americans he threw into his concentration camps felt quite "protected." The barbed wire and armed guard towers must have been so reassuring.

Oh certainly the Japanese Internment was one of FDR's biggest mistakes- and one of the biggest human rights violations in our history.

No excuses- FDR screwed the pooch on that one.

 

[Syriusly]

Reagan was no FDR

Reagan: Mr Gorbachev....please tear down this wall

FDR kicked the fucking wall down

Actually he helped create the wall.

You might want to make sure your history is aligned.

I don't dislike FDR like some. I just don't believe he was as great as some make him out to be. Of course, I accord Ronald Reagan the same thing.

Considering their circumstances, they both did O.K.

If Reagan had been in office during WWII, he might have cut lose the army on Russia. Which would have been a disaster.

If Roosevelt had been in office during the 1980's, we might not have recovered like we did.

We'll never know.

FDR saved Western Europe
Stalin conquered Eastern Europe. Nothing short of declaring war on the USSR was going to dislodge them

To get his part of Europe, FDR lost about 200,000 Americans
To get his part of Europe, Stalin lost about 20 million Russians

Looks like FDR got the better part of the deal

Stalin didn't spend 20 million to get his part of Eastern Europe. He was invaded.

Please don't be such a liar.

You'd figure that with so many losses, he be spent. Which he was.

FDR and Churchhill caved on the Eastern Europe.

I am sure the people of East Berlin felt that FDR got the better part of the deal.

Can you be any more stupid ?

Eastern Europe was not a bargaining chip. It was occupied by the Red Army
The part of the deal FDR got was West Berlin right in the middle of occupied East Germany

You are right.....Roosevelt didn't bargain or try to force him out.

No threats...no nothing.

Rolled over and caved.

Eastern Europe really flourished under Stalin.

Eastern Europe got screwed by Stalin.

Feel free to tell us what FDR could have actually done better.

The United States was involved in a two front war with Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan- the Soviets had the most powerful army in the world at that time- and was driving the Germans back to Berlin. The United States desperately wanted the Soviets to come into the war against Japan- since at that time we were projecting 1,000,000 American casualties for the invasion of Japan. And remember- the American people thought of the USSR as our ally.

FDR got assurances of freedom for Eastern Europe that Stalin wiped his ass with.

What specific things do you think FDR should have- and could have- done differently?

And how many American lives would it have been acceptable to you to lose doing it.

 

[Syriusly]

10. For context, and so that one can judge the veracity of Franklin Roosevelt's claims of kinship between the United States and Soviet Bolshevik regime, citizens of the latter were scooped up and sent to Kolyma....

Still waiting for you to explain why you wanted Hitler to defeat the USSR, and link up with Imperial Japan so they could combine their attacks on the United States.

There was an interesting theory on this.

If Hilter had not created two fronts, he would have battled the Soviets harder and depleated them. He would not have won.

Had that happened, he still would have lost and Russia would have been spent...no Iron Curtain.

This didn't happen because of the sabre rattling of the Brits and the U.S.

I found it, at least, plausible.

Let us remember the time line
Hitler was at war the Britain, France etc first
Then attacked the USSR
Then declared war on the U.S.

The 'second front' was when he attacked the USSR. If he had not done that- and had not declared war on Britain- there is a reasonably good chance he would have defeated the Brits in North Africa and taken over the oil fields there also, eventually defeating Britain completely.

His plan was always to go after the USSR. He hated them with a passion.

He did what he simply felt he needed to do.

The fact that he went at Britain first means only that their sabre rattling got his attention. He also had not counted on the U.S. coming to their aid. Of course, if Britain and France been more prepared and willing to fight, he might have seen them as more difficult targets.

Do you really know nothing about the war?

Hitler's plan was always to invade Poland- and he knew that this risked a war with England and France.
Which is exactly what happened.
It wasn't British 'sabre-rattling'- it was Great Britain and France declaring war on Germany after the invasion of Poland- and then aiding Norway and France and Denmark.

France was considered the most powerful army in the world prior to Germany's invasion

Hitler absolutely wanted to defeat the Russians- but he went to war with the Western Allies first- and was stupid to attack the Soviets while Great Britian was still a viable enemy- the British Navy in 1940 was considered the most powerful navy in the world.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Actually he helped create the wall.

You might want to make sure your history is aligned.

I don't dislike FDR like some. I just don't believe he was as great as some make him out to be. Of course, I accord Ronald Reagan the same thing.

Considering their circumstances, they both did O.K.

If Reagan had been in office during WWII, he might have cut lose the army on Russia. Which would have been a disaster.

If Roosevelt had been in office during the 1980's, we might not have recovered like we did.

We'll never know.

FDR saved Western Europe
Stalin conquered Eastern Europe. Nothing short of declaring war on the USSR was going to dislodge them

To get his part of Europe, FDR lost about 200,000 Americans
To get his part of Europe, Stalin lost about 20 million Russians

Looks like FDR got the better part of the deal

Stalin didn't spend 20 million to get his part of Eastern Europe. He was invaded.

Please don't be such a liar.

You'd figure that with so many losses, he be spent. Which he was.

FDR and Churchhill caved on the Eastern Europe.

I am sure the people of East Berlin felt that FDR got the better part of the deal.

Can you be any more stupid ?

Eastern Europe was not a bargaining chip. It was occupied by the Red Army
The part of the deal FDR got was West Berlin right in the middle of occupied East Germany

You are right.....Roosevelt didn't bargain or try to force him out.

No threats...no nothing.

Rolled over and caved.

Eastern Europe really flourished under Stalin.

There was nothing to bargain

You were not going to remove the Red Army from territory they fought and died for

What were you going to offer Stalin to get his troops out of Eastern Europe?

Uh...not cramming a hydrogen bomb up his ass.

Not to good at this....are you.

Neither was FDR.

The major rollover and cave guy.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Actually he helped create the wall.

You might want to make sure your history is aligned.

I don't dislike FDR like some. I just don't believe he was as great as some make him out to be. Of course, I accord Ronald Reagan the same thing.

Considering their circumstances, they both did O.K.

If Reagan had been in office during WWII, he might have cut lose the army on Russia. Which would have been a disaster.

If Roosevelt had been in office during the 1980's, we might not have recovered like we did.

We'll never know.

FDR saved Western Europe
Stalin conquered Eastern Europe. Nothing short of declaring war on the USSR was going to dislodge them

To get his part of Europe, FDR lost about 200,000 Americans
To get his part of Europe, Stalin lost about 20 million Russians

Looks like FDR got the better part of the deal

Stalin didn't spend 20 million to get his part of Eastern Europe. He was invaded.

Please don't be such a liar.

You'd figure that with so many losses, he be spent. Which he was.

FDR and Churchhill caved on the Eastern Europe.

I am sure the people of East Berlin felt that FDR got the better part of the deal.

Can you be any more stupid ?

Eastern Europe was not a bargaining chip. It was occupied by the Red Army
The part of the deal FDR got was West Berlin right in the middle of occupied East Germany

You are right.....Roosevelt didn't bargain or try to force him out.

No threats...no nothing.

Rolled over and caved.

Eastern Europe really flourished under Stalin.

Eastern Europe got screwed by Stalin.

Feel free to tell us what FDR could have actually done better.

The United States was involved in a two front war with Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan- the Soviets had the most powerful army in the world at that time- and was driving the Germans back to Berlin. The United States desperately wanted the Soviets to come into the war against Japan- since at that time we were projecting 1,000,000 American casualties for the invasion of Japan. And remember- the American people thought of the USSR as our ally.

FDR got assurances of freedom for Eastern Europe that Stalin wiped his ass with.

What specific things do you think FDR should have- and could have- done differently?

And how many American lives would it have been acceptable to you to lose doing it.

Tell me just why did we go to war with Germany.

And why those same principles would not apply to the USSR. We got a lot of men killed taking on the Krauts.

And how did we avoid a lot of loss of life in a fight with Japan......?

Don't think Stalin would have negotiated with the thread of an A-bomb over his head.

Of course, FDR would have had to be willing to obliterate Moscow.....no balls.

 

[Dot Com]

Why is it that you Liberals/socialists can never author a substantive post?


Could be this?
"Let me give you a little tip: if you want liberalism to continue in this country, you have to realize that liberal students are being let down by their professors! They have liberal school teachers, and read the liberal press! Because of this weak preparation, they are unable to argue, to think beyond the first knee-jerk impulse. They can’t put together a logical thought. Now, compare that to a college Republican…"
Coulter

You complain about lack of substance and then you quote Ann Coulter......

Too bad you conservative cultists don't do irony

i know right? Thats why no cons on this board go anywhere near her zany threads

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Yes, I think we've pretty much established that Roosevelt was a gutless wonder.

 

[Dot Com]

How Reagan fought WWII

How FDR fought WWII

WWII brought Roosevelt to his knees.....ideologically.

As he was a failure as a businessman, he hated those who were successful...and made that well known.

But the winds of war caused Roosevelt to come begging to private industry to pull his bacon out of the fire.


1. For almost eight years, Wall Street bankers and corporate leaders had been his favorite scapegoats for explaining why the Great Depression was persisting. The premise of his New Deal, after all was that businessmen had failed and that government should regulate, plan and direct much of the American economy to break the hold of the Great Depression.”

2. On May 16, 1940, Roosevelt had addressed Congress and asked for more than a billion dollars for defense, with a commitment for fifty thousand military aircraft. He knew, also, that he needed the good will of business to win the war: no longer would he call them “privileged princes…thirsting for power.”

3. On May 26, 1940 his Fireside Chat signaled a new relationship with business: he would insure their profits, and assuage their fears that he would nationalize their factories.
a. “…we are calling upon the resources, the efficiency and the ingenuity of the American manufacturers of war material of all kinds -- airplanes and tanks and guns and ships, and all the hundreds of products that go into this material. The Government of the United States itself manufactures few of the implements of war. Private industry will continue to be the source of most of this material, and private industry will have to be speeded up to produce it at the rate and efficiency called for by the needs of the times….Private industry will have the responsibility of providing the best, speediest and most efficient mass production of which it is capable.” On National Defense - May 26, 1940





Now....see how it's done? My posts actually show education and knowledge.....unlike you Liberals who show nothing but mind-numbed devotion to demagogues.

Give up yet?

My cut and pastes are kicking the shit out of your cut and pastes

<hint: I don't read the crap you post and neither does anyone else....want more pictures?>

She thinks people actually read her clumsily copynpasted rw pablum?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Why is it that you Liberals/socialists can never author a substantive post?


Could be this?
"Let me give you a little tip: if you want liberalism to continue in this country, you have to realize that liberal students are being let down by their professors! They have liberal school teachers, and read the liberal press! Because of this weak preparation, they are unable to argue, to think beyond the first knee-jerk impulse. They can’t put together a logical thought. Now, compare that to a college Republican…"
Coulter

You complain about lack of substance and then you quote Ann Coulter......

Too bad you conservative cultists don't do irony

i know right? Thats why no cons on this board go anywhere near her zany threads

How Reagan brought down a wall

How FDR brought down a wall

The difference between a "good" president and a GREAT president

Roosevelt wasn't even a "good" president.

But Reagan was a GREAT president.