Ron DeSantis 'Will Destroy Our Democracy,' Says Fascism Expert

[Skylar]

They are.

As DeSantis demonstrates elegantly......they are not.

 

[dblack]

Freedom and truth are scary to libs.

Partisans in general. Freedom scares statists across the board.

 

[Oddball]

Actually no. DeSantis used the power of the State to punish Disney by attempting to dissolve Reedy Creek for criticizing him.

Too fucking bad....As pointed out to you numerous times, Disney had no right -expressed or implied- to the special corporate privilege extended to it by The State.

 

[Skylar]

Too fucking bad....As pointed out to you numerous times, Disney had no right -expressed or implied- to the special corporate privilege extended to it by The State.

And exactly as I said, conservatives are delighted that DeSantis used the power of the State to punish Disney for exercising free speech and criticizing conservatives.

Using the power of the State to punish those who criticize conservatives is the purest expression of the conservative vision of 'free speech'.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

There are many people leaving the free areas of Prog total control to the fascist area known as Florida. Or they are escaping.

Spot on
Demographics from government sources prove there is a massive exodus FROM Democrat controlled areas TO NON Democrat controlled areas.
And still these imbeciles talk like their polices are gold when in reality the FACTS prove they are pure feces in every aspect. Broken budgets, massive crime, homelessness.

This is really all the proof needed to certify that most of the Leftist on this forum are insane and delusional.
That or destroying America is precisely the agenda they love.

 

[blackhawk]

Highly amusing coming from those who tried to silence and shutdown anyone who didn't parrott the governments covid talking points.

 

[dblack]

Too fucking bad....As pointed out to you numerous times, Disney had no right -expressed or implied- to the special corporate privilege extended to it by The State.

Of course not. Whenever the state cuts you a special deal, it's a privilege that the current regime can revoke if you dare to defy them. That's how statists roll.

I don't feel sorry for Disney, but DeSantis is a champion of retaliatory government. Fuck him.

 

[Skylar]

Spot on
Demographics from government sources prove there is a massive exodus FROM Democrat controlled areas TO NON Democrat controlled areas.
And still these imbeciles talk like their polices are gold when in reality the FACTS prove they are pure feces in every aspect. Broken budgets, massive crime, homelessness.

This is really all the proof needed to certify that most of the Leftist on this forum are insane and delusional.
That or destroying America is precisely the agenda they love.

People go where land is cheap.

 

[Oddball]

Of course not. Whenever the state cuts you a special deal, it's a privilege that they can revoke if you piss off the current leadership. That's how statists roll.

I don't feel sorry for Disney, but DeSantis is a champion of retaliatory government. Fuck him.

That's how The State rolls, in any case.

The beneficiary is beholden to the benefactor....The shit is biblical.

 

[Oddball]

And exactly as I said, conservatives are delighted that DeSantis used the power of the State to punish Disney for exercising free speech and criticizing conservatives.

Using the power of the State to punish those who criticize conservatives is the purest expression of the conservative vision of 'free speech'.

Cry me a river, corporate shill.

 

[Papageorgio]

Actually no. DeSantis used the power of the State to punish Disney by attempting to dissolve Reedy Creek for criticizing him.

With conservatives completely on board with using the power of the State to punish free speech critical of conservatives. Demonstrating the lie of consevative committment to free speech. It was never a conservative value.

And then DeSantis realized that if he dissolved Reedy Creek, that Florida would be on the hook for all the outstanding bonds. So he created a conservative board to oversee Disney's infrastructure..........and filled it with DeSantis loyalists. Including the head of an Evangelical Ministry.

Do you deny this happened? Are you even aware of what's going on?

Just like the federal government withholding funds from states that don’t comply with their wishes? Remember Obama’s Justice Department using the IRS scrutinize right wing political groups? None of it is right, which is why I have an issue with DeSantis, but Democrats aren’t any better, time to find new parties.

 

[Skylar]

Cry me a river, corporate shill.

So much for conservative 'free speech'. This was always the plan, Odd. Which is why conservatives are so delighted when DeSantis used the power of the State to punish free speech criticizing conservatives.

This is what your ilk want to export nation wide.

 

[AMart]

Not allowing kids to be groomed and indoctrinated = facism lol, well that ok then.

 

[dblack]

Just like the federal government withholding funds from states that don’t comply with their wishes? Remember Obama’s Justice Department using the IRS scrutinize right wing political groups? None of it is right, which is why I have an issue with DeSantis, but Democrats aren’t any better, time to find new parties.

Ayup. Hypocrisy Party!!! Everybody dance!

 

[Foolardi]

This is a poor definition. It does not distinguish 'fascism' from previous authoritarian/nationalist movements.

Traditionally, one of the Right/Left differences, beginning at the end of the 18th Century, was nationalism vs internationalism. Another one was respect for traditional, hierarchical institutions -- 'Throne and Altar', plus the Army -- vs the desire to rearrange the political (and later, the social/economic) structure of society to be more egalitarian.

For roughly the first half of the 19th Century, the 'Left' was a 'bourgeois' Left -- the rising manufacturing/trading class counterposed to the old land-owning aristocracy. But as economic growth turned peasants into industrial workers, the 'Left' became a socialist Left ... and by the beginning of the 20th Century, was having a lot of success, in Europe at least.

The 'far Right' learned something from that success. And when the Bolsheviks overthrew the bourgeois-democratic Russian government and instituted the first socialist state, they learned something from that as well: the old model of a mass electoral party was outmoded, as well as the old Right program of veneration of the traditional social hierarchy.

The European 'far Right' became revolutionaries: they aped the Socialists' social program, and the Communists' organizational structure (a hard core 'combat party' of professional revolutionaries, rather than a mass-based electoral party).

Mussolini had been the editor of the Italian Socialist Party's newspaper. Hitler named his party the 'National Socialist German Workers Party'.

For political clarity, it's best to use the word 'fascism' for movements like this, not as a catch-all for any authoritarian nationalist movement. (After all, if authoritarian nationalist movements are 'fascist', then Fidel Castro and Mao Tse-Tung were fascists.)

Is there any possibility for a fascist movement, in this sense, in the US? Of course there is. The Republican Party has had a deep contradiction, for the last few decades, between its base -- increasingly, the bottom 2/3 of whites -- and its actual program and leadership, which has always been pro-business and upper-middle class.

Plus, the many of the ideologists of conservatism steal the clothes of the Libertarians when it comes to economics. They don't go quite so far as the genuine Libertarians and propose to auction off the National Parks, but they really don't like such welfare state measures as the US has, like Social Security and Workmen's Compensation and Medicare. But the Republican base would be horrified if their leaders actually moved to dismantle these programs.

So there is the objective possibility, as the Left's program to dissolve the foundations of America proceeds, for the growth of a hard-core, real authoritarian movement on the Right, blaming the usual ethnic scapegoats for our problems, evincing a leftish social program, and systematically forming quasi-military units.

A big military defeat abroad -- increasingly likely as our neo-con/neo-liberals try to maintain us as world hegemon -- combined with a big economic crash, might precipitate something like that.

In 1928, the Nazis got less than 3% of the popular vote in national elections. Five years later, they got 38%. Events can change mass consciousness quickly and dramatically.

At the moment, outright fascists are very unpopular on the Right, despite what liberals would like to , or pretend to, believe, just as outright communists are a tiny minority on the Left, despite what many conservatives seem to think. (For one thing, evangelical Christianity is still a major force on the Right, and most of these people are 'Christian Zionists', running straight into the anti-Semitism of the genuine fascists.)

But it could happen. (Also possible, but much less likely, would be the growth of a mass authoritarian/communist movement on the Left. By 'communist' I mean the real thing, not the pitiful scraggly anarchist mobs of spoiled brats we see now.)

So patriots must organize in anticipation of serious social disorder in our future, but at the same time be firm in our committment to the Rule of Law, with all the precious conquests of civilization that have gone along with it, such Free Speech, Equal Rights, the willingness to settle differences, where possible, through discussion and, if necessary, compromise. These are still valid principles even if our opponents on the Left are abandoning them.

Really simple and compact.Pay attention :

Democracy + Private Ownership = Capitalism
Democracy + Public Ownership = Socialism
Dictatorship + Private Ownership = Fascism
Dictatorship + Public Ownership = Communism

{ Leonard Roy Frank } 20th century epigrammist

 

[dblack]

Not allowing kids to be groomed and indoctrinated = facism lol, well that ok then.

LOL - you really buy that???

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

What part are you denying actually occurred? The new board that DeSantis just seated? The Evangelical Ministry now having a seat at the table overseeing Disney's infastructure? The powers of this new board to punish Disney if they say or do anything that DeSantis or that Evangelical Church doesn't like?

You lose (again)
The people of Florida MASSIVELY chose DeSantis over your Heathen offering Charlie Chrisp
The vote wasn't even close. Your fascist leftist boy was slaughtered.

It wasn't just the......

The Evangelical Ministry

That is your delusional confusion and indoctrination talking to you

 

[Skylar]

Just like the federal government withholding funds from states that don’t comply with their wishes? Remember Obama’s Justice Department using the IRS scrutinize right wing political groups? None of it is right, which is why I have an issue with DeSantis, but Democrats aren’t any better, time to find new parties.

This is a private organization being punished. Not one government v. another government.

And DeSantis took it even further. He had a board of his cronies created to oversee Disney's infrastructure.....including the head of an Evangelical Christian Ministry.

Now if Disney says anything DeSantis OR this Evangelical Church don't like........Disney can be punished. Garbage services can be withheld, vital infrastructure projects denied, construction rejected, even highways built through the middle of DisneyWorld. This board can borrow money at unfavorable terms....and Disney is on the hook for it. They can raise tax rates. Or lower them until maintenance of vital infrastructure is untenable.

If Disney releases a movie with a character that DeSantis or this Evangelical Church doesn't like.....Disney can be punished.

If Disney does anything out of sync with the conservative agenda......Disney can be punished.

This is the conservative conception of 'free speech'. And conservatives want to export it nation wide.

 

[AMart]

LOL - you really buy that???

Come on leftists always do this.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

And exactly as I said, conservatives are delighted that DeSantis used the power of the State to punish Disney for exercising free speech and criticizing conservatives.

Using the power of the State to punish those who criticize conservatives is the purest expression of the conservative vision of 'free speech'.

You were proud when the federal and state govts were retaliating against the populace demanding lockdowns, masks, injections to keep their jobs, no?