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Romney tax cuts would be very deep--hurting the poor on disability, etc.

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Romney tax cuts would be very deep--hurting the poor on disability, etc.

Not good! My son is on disability and food stamps which is one reason I strongly oppose Romney!


For the most part, Governor Romney has not outlined cuts in specific programs. But if policy*makers repealed health reform (the Affordable Care Act, or ACA) and exempted Social Security from cuts, as Romney has suggested, and cut Medicare, Medicaid, and all other entitlement and discretionary programs by the same percentage to meet Romney’s overall spending cap and defense spending target, then they would have to cut non-defense programs other than Social Security by 22 percent in 2016 and 34 percent in 2022 (see Figure 1). If they exempted Medicare from cuts for this period, the cuts in other programs would have to be even more dramatic — 32 percent in 2016 and 53 percent in 2022.

If they applied these cuts proportionately, the cuts in programs such as veterans’ disability compensation, Supplemental Security Income (SSI) for poor elderly and disabled individuals, the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, formerly food stamps), school lunches and other child nutrition programs, and unemployment compensation would cause the incomes of large numbers of households to fall below the poverty line. Many who already are poor would become poorer.

The cuts in non*defense discretionary programs — a spending category that covers a wide variety of public services such as elemen*tary and secondary education, law enforcement, veterans’ health care, environmen*tal protection, and biomedical research — would come on top ofthe substantial cuts in this part of the budget that are already in law, due to the discretionary funding caps in last year’s Budget Control Act (BCA). By 2022, the cuts under Governor Romney’s budget proposals would shrink nondefense discretionary spending — which, over the past 50 years, has averaged 3.9 percent of GDP and never fallen below 3.2 percent — to 1.8 percent of GDP if Medicare shares in the cuts, and to 1.3 percent of GDP if it does not.

These cuts would be noticeably deeper than those required under the austere House-passed budget plan authored by Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-WI). (Romney’s nondefense cuts are deeper because his proposal increases core defense spending — the defense budget other than war costs and some relatively small items such as military family housing — to 4 percent of GDP, while the Ryan budget does not.) Over the coming decade, Romney would require cuts in programs other than core defense of $6.1 trillion, compared with $5.0 trillion in cuts under the House-passed budget.

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Me keeping more of what's mine in the first place hurts other people?

No, not really...But why let little facts like that interfere with lolberals cowering behind the old, infirm, poor and, of course, the chiiillllldrrrreeeeennnn to smear anyone and everyone who dares to tamper with their sacred socialistic welfare state?
 

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The daily communique from Barry HQ to August 2012 and fellow propagandists.

Gee, we're sure gonna miss you after the election but have a nice hibernation just the same.
 

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Me keeping more of what's mine in the first place hurts other people?

No, not really...But why let little facts like that interfere with lolberals cowering behind the old, infirm, poor and, of course, the chiiillllldrrrreeeeennnn to smear anyone and everyone who dares to tamper with their sacred socialistic welfare state?

Its all the poor and middle class programs Romney plans to cut up into little pieces... Its not so much taking money from you.
Did you know that a huge % of people on the street are vets who fought for your country. Mentally ill with no where to go unless if they are a danger. Keep your fucking greedy money.
 

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Romney would keep the massive subsidies to oil companies and reinstate the subsidies to insurance companies. He would give tax breaks to millionaires but increase taxes on the middle class.

I pay taxes, more than 13%, and I'd much rather that money go to those that need it than greedy oligarchs.

Maybe some of you like the idea of your hard-earned tax dollars going to Dick Cheney and British Petroleum.
 

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Thanks OP for giving a great example of how votes are bought through welfare spending.

How does it go? “When the people find they can vote themselves money the republic is dead.” Something like that… You’re a predicted downfall of this society, jut think about that for a while.
 

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Not all people are smart or capable, or even just plain old irresponsible.

How our society treats those who fall through the cracks is in question. We could let them starve. Let them die off. Let them riot for food, or just jail them. Hell, the Chinese and North Koreans just kill them off.

Cutting their aid may or may not be necessary. BUT....certain people in our society simply dont give a fuck. Those folks could starve, die, and leave their kids to fend for themselves. Survival of the fittest. They'd be perfectly ok with that. Fuck 'em. "I got mine".

Others would say we must create a social cradle to support these people's every single need and want.

Both views are wrong imo. But...most seem to be holding one of those two extremes right now.
 

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Romney would keep the massive subsidies to oil companies and reinstate the subsidies to insurance companies. He would give tax breaks to millionaires but increase taxes on the middle class.

Which "massive subsidies"?..Please be specific.

I pay taxes, more than 13%, and I'd much rather that money go to those that need it than greedy oligarchs.
As though greedy bureaucrats are any better a bargain.

Maybe some of you like the idea of your hard-earned tax dollars going to Dick Cheney and British Petroleum.
No more so than I like baseless lolberal boilerplate straw men.
 

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Romney would keep the massive subsidies to oil companies and reinstate the subsidies to insurance companies. He would give tax breaks to millionaires but increase taxes on the middle class.

I pay taxes, more than 13%, and I'd much rather that money go to those that need it than greedy oligarchs.

Maybe some of you like the idea of your hard-earned tax dollars going to Dick Cheney and British Petroleum.

Well I hope you're not an Obama supporter because he does all of that too.. In fact he does it on a greater scale than even Bush did. Anyways, that's why I won't for either Mitt or Obama.

One day maybe the other 90% of America will wake up and stop voting for the very things they claim to hate. Endless wars, massive deficit spending, obvious corruption and blah blah blahÂ…
 

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sucks not to want to pay your share.....

everyone should feel the burden
 

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Me keeping more of what's mine in the first place hurts other people?

No, not really...But why let little facts like that interfere with lolberals cowering behind the old, infirm, poor and, of course, the chiiillllldrrrreeeeennnn to smear anyone and everyone who dares to tamper with their sacred socialistic welfare state?

Its all the poor and middle class programs Romney plans to cut up into little pieces... Its not so much taking money from you.
Did you know that a huge % of people on the street are vets who fought for your country. Mentally ill with no where to go unless if they are a danger. Keep your fucking greedy money.
You say that as though that's supposed to be evidence of the success of your greedy, self-righteous socialistic welfare state!.....How are these things still happening, after trillions upon trillions of taxpayer dollars being thrown at the problem?
 

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Romney would keep the massive subsidies to oil companies and reinstate the subsidies to insurance companies. He would give tax breaks to millionaires but increase taxes on the middle class.

I pay taxes, more than 13%, and I'd much rather that money go to those that need it than greedy oligarchs.

Maybe some of you like the idea of your hard-earned tax dollars going to Dick Cheney and British Petroleum.

crystal ball?
 

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Romney would keep the massive subsidies to oil companies and reinstate the subsidies to insurance companies. He would give tax breaks to millionaires but increase taxes on the middle class.

Which "massive subsidies"?..Please be specific.

I pay taxes, more than 13%, and I'd much rather that money go to those that need it than greedy oligarchs.
As though greedy bureaucrats are any better a bargain.

Maybe some of you like the idea of your hard-earned tax dollars going to Dick Cheney and British Petroleum.
No more so than I like baseless lolberal boilerplate straw men.

We can save $78 billion by ending oil and gas subsidies | Grist
 

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Oh ok only rich people should be on disability :lame2:

The only people rich or poor who should be on disability are those who have worked and have been hurt or sick, period

Yes, definitely. If you were born with a disabling condition that has prevented you from ever working in the first place, you should rot on the streets.

:lame2:
 

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I'm still amazed there are people who see us citizens getting more of our monies back (tax cuts) from this ridiculous over bloated government as a BAD THING..

in fact it make me ill
 

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Romney would keep the massive subsidies to oil companies and reinstate the subsidies to insurance companies. He would give tax breaks to millionaires but increase taxes on the middle class.

Which "massive subsidies"?..Please be specific.


As though greedy bureaucrats are any better a bargain.

Maybe some of you like the idea of your hard-earned tax dollars going to Dick Cheney and British Petroleum.
No more so than I like baseless lolberal boilerplate straw men.

We can save $78 billion by ending oil and gas subsidies | Grist
Tax deductions that any company can take (i.e. for depreciation, expensing, and R&D) aren't cash money subsidies.

You need to think more and regurgitate DNC talking points less.
 

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Here's the thing, I am all for disability compensation for those who are qualified to receive it, in some cases you have individuals who are in need , that are indeed disabled and do require help and it's the mark of a great society that has compassion enough to care for those in need. It serves no purpose at all to make light of those individuals who have disabilities that keep them from the everyday things that most people take for granted. Often times, these people can even be members of the US Military that have been injured in combat and now suffer a disablity ,or perhaps someone that has paid all their lives into a system and now suffers a disability that they can no longer take part in what they once took for granted. To make light of these Americans is akin to pointing a finger at a disabled person and making light of them and forgetting this " There but for the grace of God go I" . While it's true there are some that take advantage of the system it serves nothing to lump these decent Amercians together with those who deserve this, with them as being undeserving or less than American as anyone else. One more thing I might add, in giving these Americans a chance at a decent standard of living which I might add based on what most get, is not that all that much, we all benefit by having less of a burden on society to take care of those Americans in need.

There is a lot to be said however for those that take advantage of the system and this is true, in any program that the state and federal Govt. offers, from defense contracts all the way to this, and it serves everyone to not only to keep these programs for all Americans, but to apply a little common sense to ALL of the Federal Govt. when it comes to how and to whom we spend our money on, and that applies to EVERY program in the Govt.
 
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Romney tax cuts would be very deep--hurting the poor on disability, etc.

Not good! My son is on disability and food stamps which is one reason I strongly oppose Romney!


For the most part, Governor Romney has not outlined cuts in specific programs. But if policy*makers repealed health reform (the Affordable Care Act, or ACA) and exempted Social Security from cuts, as Romney has suggested, and cut Medicare, Medicaid, and all other entitlement and discretionary programs by the same percentage to meet Romney’s overall spending cap and defense spending target, then they would have to cut non-defense programs other than Social Security by 22 percent in 2016 and 34 percent in 2022 (see Figure 1). If they exempted Medicare from cuts for this period, the cuts in other programs would have to be even more dramatic — 32 percent in 2016 and 53 percent in 2022.

If they applied these cuts proportionately, the cuts in programs such as veteransÂ’ disability compensation, Supplemental Security Income (SSI) for poor elderly and disabled individuals, the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, formerly food stamps), school lunches and other child nutrition programs, and unemployment compensation would cause the incomes of large numbers of households to fall below the poverty line. Many who already are poor would become poorer.

The cuts in non*defense discretionary programs — a spending category that covers a wide variety of public services such as elemen*tary and secondary education, law enforcement, veterans’ health care, environmen*tal protection, and biomedical research — would come on top ofthe substantial cuts in this part of the budget that are already in law, due to the discretionary funding caps in last year’s Budget Control Act (BCA). By 2022, the cuts under Governor Romney’s budget proposals would shrink nondefense discretionary spending — which, over the past 50 years, has averaged 3.9 percent of GDP and never fallen below 3.2 percent — to 1.8 percent of GDP if Medicare shares in the cuts, and to 1.3 percent of GDP if it does not.

These cuts would be noticeably deeper than those required under the austere House-passed budget plan authored by Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-WI). (Romney’s nondefense cuts are deeper because his proposal increases core defense spending — the defense budget other than war costs and some relatively small items such as military family housing — to 4 percent of GDP, while the Ryan budget does not.) Over the coming decade, Romney would require cuts in programs other than core defense of $6.1 trillion, compared with $5.0 trillion in cuts under the House-passed budget.

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What part of no tax cut that adds to the Deficit do you not get?

If the Changes to Deductions do not make up for the cut, the Increased Economic Activity and growing Tax base will make up the Diff.
 

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