Romney 2020 ?

[Anathema]

I did keep my doctor. Didn't you? Why not if you didn't?

I kept my doctors; but I now pay more on a weekly basis from my paycheck AND dealing with increased copays, deductibles and co-insurance.

The ACA added coverages that are useless for me but has dramatically increased my costs to pay for those coverages.

 

[edward37]

I for one would vote for Howdy Doody before Trump

That’s fine. I’d sit there and watch any/every one if the Democrat candidates burn to death in a car wreck before lifting a finger to help them.

I used to say I wouldn't piss on Trump if he was on fire but I've changed my mind,,,I would

 

[Anathema]

I used to say I wouldn't piss on Trump if he was on fire but I've changed my mind,,,I would

Not as useful as the gasoline I’d pour on the Dems.

 

[BrokeLoser]

I for one would vote for Howdy Doody before Trump

That’s fine. I’d sit there and watch any/every one if the Democrat candidates burn to death in a car wreck before lifting a finger to help them.

I used to say I wouldn't piss on Trump if he was on fire but I've changed my mind,,,I would

Edward, do you look like this? Don’t lie...

 

[edward37]

I for one would vote for Howdy Doody before Trump

That’s fine. I’d sit there and watch any/every one if the Democrat candidates burn to death in a car wreck before lifting a finger to help them.

I used to say I wouldn't piss on Trump if he was on fire but I've changed my mind,,,I would

Edward, do you look like this? Don’t lie...

now we know why you're named brokeloser you're always broke and a loser,,,and wrong 99% of the time

 

[BrokeLoser]

I for one would vote for Howdy Doody before Trump

That’s fine. I’d sit there and watch any/every one if the Democrat candidates burn to death in a car wreck before lifting a finger to help them.

I used to say I wouldn't piss on Trump if he was on fire but I've changed my mind,,,I would

Edward, do you look like this? Don’t lie...

now we know why you're named brokeloser you're always broke and a loser,,,and wrong 99% of the time

So you’re saying I nailed it huh?

 

[Flopper]

Ok, hear me out.

Likely you've heard today the remarks Romney has made about Trump.

What if Romney spent much of this year really slamming Trump, and at the same time telling Americans how much better we can do.
What if he also spent time saying how we need to stop illegal immigration and how we must get our border secured ?

What if he also talked a lot about jobs and the economy and how we need to keep what we've got right now going ?

In short, what if he talked about many of the things Trump has talked about, but without all the drama, immorality, snarkiness, etc.

Then, what if he announced early next year that he was going to challenge Trump in the primary ? Think he would have a chance ?​

I don't know why people haven't figured out TRUMP won in 2016 because he was willing to campaign 24/7 and hit back against the democrats and beat them at their own game. Romney already showed us in 2012 he is unwilling to fight back. Republicans running Romney would who lost in 2012 would be like democrats running Hillary again in 2020.

So while some may have issues with TRUMP's way of doing things, the fact is he is getting things done even with the Russia witch hunt. No other Republican would have been able to fight back against the baseless attacks coming from the media.

Romney isn't well like as it is all he would gain by challenging TRUMP is a rehash of neverTRUMPer's and TRUMP has already won an election without them.

Who knows in some ways having a challenger might be good for TRUMP, kind of like a warm up before the main event.

What if he ran as a 3rd party candidate?

That would be about as likely as a Clinton running third party.

 

[edward37]

I for one would vote for Howdy Doody before Trump

That’s fine. I’d sit there and watch any/every one if the Democrat candidates burn to death in a car wreck before lifting a finger to help them.

I used to say I wouldn't piss on Trump if he was on fire but I've changed my mind,,,I would

Edward, do you look like this? Don’t lie...

now we know why you're named brokeloser you're always broke and a loser,,,and wrong 99% of the time

So you’re saying I nailed it huh?

I have a little more hair

 

[Flopper]

I did keep my doctor. Didn't you? Why not if you didn't?

I kept my doctors; but I now pay more on a weekly basis from my paycheck AND dealing with increased copays, deductibles and co-insurance.

The ACA added coverages that are useless for me but has dramatically increased my costs to pay for those coverages.

If you and your wife are older folks, you probably will not need maternity coverage, vaccinations for childhood diseases, or a vasectomy. Likewise a 25 year old is very unlikely to need hospice or treatments for dementia.

To argue against having to pay for coverage you never plan to use is to argue against the whole concept of insurance. If you and the 25 year old were allowed to pick only the coverage that you thought you would use, both your premiums would skyrocket because the insurance company's risk would increase substantially.

 

[Rustic]

I did keep my doctor. Didn't you? Why not if you didn't?

I kept my doctors; but I now pay more on a weekly basis from my paycheck AND dealing with increased copays, deductibles and co-insurance.

The ACA added coverages that are useless for me but has dramatically increased my costs to pay for those coverages.

If you and your wife are older folks, you probably will not need maternity coverage, vaccinations for childhood diseases, or a vasectomy. Likewise a 25 year old is very unlikely to need hospice or treatments for dementia.

To argue against having to pay for coverage you never plan to use is to argue against the whole concept of insurance. If you and the 25 year old were allowed to pick only the coverage that you thought you would use, both your premiums would skyrocket because the insurance company's risk would increase substantially.

Lol
The whole concept of paying into a pool/insurance is fucked up from the start... It wholeheartedly invites waste fraud and abuse... fact

Fuck your socialism

 

[buttercup]

No. Just no.

I made a video about him way back in 08, btw. Which I reuploaded in 2012.

 

[Anathema]

If you and your wife are older folks, you probably will not need maternity coverage, vaccinations for childhood diseases, or a vasectomy. Likewise a 25 year old is very unlikely to need hospice or treatments for dementia.

To argue against having to pay for coverage you never plan to use is to argue against the whole concept of insurance. If you and the 25 year old were allowed to pick only the coverage that you thought you would use, both your premiums would skyrocket because the insurance company's risk would increase substantially.

My argument is that the Government has no place forcing private companies to include coverages those companies and/or their employees don’t want in their health insurance packages.

Prior to the ACA, I had very good coverage at a moderate price provided by my employer in a self-insured plan negotiated between my Union and the company. Everyone was relatively happy with our package. Since the ACA and it’s mandated coverages our premiums and copays have gone up. We now have a deductible, a nearly quadrupled out of pocket maximum and co-insurance; all of which add up to far more cost than the value of the added coverage. Oh, and we’re reducing from three different providers and five plans in 2017 to only ONE provider and two plans (1 - POS plan and 1 - HDHP in 2020. That’s not an improvement in my mind.

 

[Flopper]

If you and your wife are older folks, you probably will not need maternity coverage, vaccinations for childhood diseases, or a vasectomy. Likewise a 25 year old is very unlikely to need hospice or treatments for dementia.

To argue against having to pay for coverage you never plan to use is to argue against the whole concept of insurance. If you and the 25 year old were allowed to pick only the coverage that you thought you would use, both your premiums would skyrocket because the insurance company's risk would increase substantially.

My argument is that the Government has no place forcing private companies to include coverages those companies and/or their employees don’t want in their health insurance packages.

Prior to the ACA, I had very good coverage at a moderate price provided by my employer in a self-insured plan negotiated between my Union and the company. Everyone was relatively happy with our package. Since the ACA and it’s mandated coverages our premiums and copays have gone up. We now have a deductible, a nearly quadrupled out of pocket maximum and co-insurance; all of which add up to far more cost than the value of the added coverage. Oh, and we’re reducing from three different providers and five plans in 2017 to only ONE provider and two plans (1 - POS plan and 1 - HDHP in 2020. That’s not an improvement in my mind.

The government should require coverage that keeps us healthier and detects serious diseases in the early stages because a healthier population and workforce benefits the whole country. A study of 40,000 adults revealed that we are seeing doctors more often, taking advantage of more preventive medicine and diagnosis rates of diabetes and high cholesterol have increased significantly since the Obamacare.

 

[Anathema]

The government should require coverage that keeps us healthier and detects serious diseases in the early stages because a healthier population and workforce benefits the whole country. A study of 40,000 adults revealed that we are seeing doctors more often, taking advantage of more preventive medicine and diagnosis rates of diabetes and high cholesterol have increased significantly since the Obamacare.

The Government has no legitimate power to be involved in healthcare issues so far as I can see.

I’m not seeing my doctors more than before. In fact I go out of my way not to see any of my doctors any more than absolutely necessary. Yet my costs have increased considerably for both myself and my wife.

FYI - I could not care any less if anyone else has better care until my costs go back own to what they were prior to the ACA.

 

[22lcidw]

I for one would vote for Howdy Doody before Trump

That’s fine. I’d sit there and watch any/every one if the Democrat candidates burn to death in a car wreck before lifting a finger to help them.

I used to say I wouldn't piss on Trump if he was on fire but I've changed my mind,,,I would

When you can see Repub Presidential candidates actually throwing elections or playing by the motions it is insulting. McCain may have still lost in 2008 but he could have avoided some of the legislation passed by Progs the first two years. Romney destroying Obama in the first debate then somehow becoming 2nd string after that in 2012 was about as denigrating as it gets. Of course we now know what Romney and Ryan both are in full living color. So tell us the worse of Trump. Please do. The swamp even got Romney elected as senator. Perhaps as a reward for his throwing the race back in 2012.

 

[HenryBHough]

I for one would vote for Howdy Doody before Trump

It worked so well in 2016 that you're gonna go it again?

 

[HenryBHough]

I kept my doctors; but I now pay more on a weekly basis from my paycheck AND dealing with increased copays, deductibles and co-insurance.

The ACA added coverages that are useless for me but has dramatically increased my costs to pay for those coverages.

Ah, but consider the joy you'd have experienced if you suddenly find yourself pregnant! With a president who considered Himself God there was no end to the miracles His Obamaness might purvey. But then President Trump opened the blinds and the truth snuck out.....

 

[Anathema]

Ah, but consider the joy you'd have experienced if you suddenly find yourself pregnant!...

Actually coworkers tell me the maternity coverage in our plan was better before the ACA. They reduced it to the ACA standard and added the deductibles and co-insurance in addition to increasing the out of pocket maximum.

 

[JoeB131]

Ok, hear me out.

Likely you've heard today the remarks Romney has made about Trump.

What if Romney spent much of this year really slamming Trump, and at the same time telling Americans how much better we can do.
What if he also spent time saying how we need to stop illegal immigration and how we must get our border secured ?

What if he also talked a lot about jobs and the economy and how we need to keep what we've got right now going ?

In short, what if he talked about many of the things Trump has talked about, but without all the drama, immorality, snarkiness, etc.

Then, what if he announced early next year that he was going to challenge Trump in the primary ? Think he would have a chance ?

None whatsoever. Romney had his chance, and he lost.

The fact is, challenges of incumbent presidents never work. It's pretty much saying, "We screwed up electing this guy! But trust us, we got it right this time!"

 

[Flopper]

Ah, but consider the joy you'd have experienced if you suddenly find yourself pregnant!...

Actually coworkers tell me the maternity coverage in our plan was better before the ACA. They reduced it to the ACA standard and added the deductibles and co-insurance in addition to increasing the out of pocket maximum.

You are comparing costs today against what they were 10 years ago before the ACA. In the ten year period prior to ACA, we saw healthcare costs more than doubled. It is now less than half that. Are cost higher today? Of course they are. Healthcare cost are rising just as they have for over 50 years, but at a lower rate. More people are seeing doctors now than before the ACA, we are getting more early diagnosis, and people are receiving more preventive care. We are paying more but as a nation we are getting more.