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If you can’t tell, then it is pointless, I had the facts, you don’t like them, you made stretches as did Jackson and it hurt them. Had Congress done their job, this would not be an issue today, you have been had by your own party and can’t admit it, fooledbydemocrats.What accusation was that? I believe I was disputing your facts or your lack thereof
When the USSC in 1973 decided that states could not intervene in a private matter between a pregnant woman and her doctor because a fetus is not a person . it was settled. Congress had nothing to do forevermore on reproductive rights. They still don’t.Notice the part where you consistently dismiss Congress’s role in all of this.
nf.23.09.16Let's check:
Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth....
Did you catch it? Their work was done “in the Year of our Lord.” The Christian world dates all of human history in terms of the birth of Christ. “B.C.” means “before Christ,” and “A.D.” is the abbreviation for the Latin words “anno Domini,” meaning “year of our Lord.” If the Framers were interested in being pluralistic, multi-cultural, and politically correct, they would have refrained from using the B.C./A.D. designation. Or they would have used the religionless designations “C.E.,” Common Era, and “B.C.E.,” Before the Common Era (see “Common Era,” 2008). In so doing, they would have avoided offending Jews, atheists, agnostics, and humanists. Or they could have used “A.H.” (anno hegirae—which means “in the year of the Hijrah” and refers to Muhammad’s flight from Mecca in A.D. 622), the date used by Muslims as the commencement date for the Islamic calendar. Instead, the Framers chose to utilize the dating method that indicated the worldview they shared. What’s more, their reference to “our Lord” does not refer to a generic deity, nor does it refer even to God the Father. It refers to God the Son—an explicit reference to Jesus Christ. Make no mistake: the Constitution of the United States contains an explicit reference to Jesus Christ—not Allah, Buddha, Muhammad, nor the gods of Hindus or Native Americans!
Let’s get this straight: The Declaration of Independence contains four allusions to the God of the Bible. The U.S. Constitution contains allusions to the freedom to practice the Christian religion unimpeded, the significance and priority of Sunday worship, as well as the place of Jesus Christ in history. So, according to the thinking of the ACLU and a host of liberal educators, politicians, and judges, the Constitution is—unconstitutional! Go figure.
Christianity is in the Constitution - Apologetics Press
Those who insist that America was not intended to be a “Christian nation” point to the obvious absence of specific directives regarding Christianity in the federal Constitution. The popular propaganda since the 1960s has been that “the irreligious Framers did not want the nation to retain any...www.apologeticspress.org
They have everything to do with it, a federal law would most certainly change it. They had the votes back in the 70’s and also several other times over the last 50 years but like I said, they don’t want to deal with it. Congress has failed us on this issue and many others. Blame them for us dealing with it now, because they were the people that make the laws.ppgrg.23.09.16
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When the USSC in 1973 decided that states could not intervene in a private matter between a pregnant woman and her doctor because a fetus is not a person . it was settled. Congress had nothing to do forevermore on reproductive rights. They still don’t.
When RvW was decided only a small number of Catholic extremists bothered to protest.. White Evangelicals of a Christian Nationalist mindset supported RvW until Reagan became President and white Christian Nationalists found an anti Federal Government cohesive relationship in their quest to remove unchristian like behaviors from the nation UNDER GOD. America to them you see is part of God’s Biblical Plan to build up all this and then burn it all up in Armageddon so his Only Begotten Son can return. Earthly life will be good because all the liberals will be burning in hell. Only the Saints who saved baby fetus like beagle9 will be spared.
PROOF is “Year of our Lord” is in the Constitution.
Saint pltclchc.23.05.21
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Cangress has no job to defend a right to privacy as it applies to abortion because an unborn fetus is not a person. The saints in the Saving Baby Fetus Cult need to Andnd the Constitution to change the word “born” to “conceived’.Had Congress done their job, this would not be an issue today
You don’t know the powers of Congress, Try reading the article in post 11043 and it shows you are wrong and being fooledbydemocrats.Cangress has no job to defend a right to privacy as it applies to abortion because an unborn fetus is not a person. The saints in the Saving Baby Fetus Cult need to Andnd the Constitution to change the word “born” to “conceived’.
They can’t so they launched a culture war against the liberalized multicultural Federal Government until they lucked out with Trump putting three Confederacy minded Catholics on the USSC ready to pounce on Dobbs.
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Why do they have to pass a law to protect an unenumerated individual right to autonomy over one’s own body to kill her own fetus to protect her own life? It’s the fetus that needs the Constitution changed - not the mother.You don’t know the powers of Congress,
Because according to the current interpretation of the Constitution it is not a right. It will be far easier for Congress to do its job and write a law than to wait for the Supreme Court to overturn the current interpretation, isn’t that true?Why do they have to pass a law to protect an unenumerated individual right to autonomy over one’s own body to kill her own fetus to protect her own life? It’s the fetus that needs the Constitution changed - not the mother.
Believer Saint Daniel Cameron helped pack Trump’s Catholics on the USSC AND is an advocate for the unborn and continues to defend Kentucky’s pro-life laws in court.
Photo: Associated Press (AP)
Kentucky Attorney General and gubernatorial candidate Daniel Cameron (R) signed an endorsement questionnaire earlier this year which said that multiple types of birth control, including the pill, cause abortions.
Kentucky GOP Candidate Signed Pledge Saying the Birth Control Pill Causes Abortions pblshd jzbl.23.09.16
ppgrg.23.09.16
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You presented the fact that abortion was banned in states surrounding the passage of the 14th Amendnent.
I responded and explained those are not a complete set of facts.
I presented to you an additional fact that abortion was legal when America was founded.
The concept of originalism should apply.
RvW applied originalism more so thsn Dobbs.
Dobbs ruled that RvW was wrong for fifty years
There’s no fact or argument that makes Dobbs’ Catholics right.
We need fewer Catholics on the court or more honest Catholics who respect the original Madisonian concept of freedom of conscience by conscientious conscious person’s and the Dobbs shall be reversed.
Meanwhile the voters in states like Kansas are fixing the Dobbs Catholic fuck up permanently state by state.
Here’s my principle / Woman should have a say whether or not abortion was legal,
When the 14th Amendment passed the abortion bans were as unconstitutional as it when women are deprived of the right to vote.
Believer Saint beagle9 appears to appreciate that you are not an originalist on abortion rights and America was more civilized way back when the Biblical paternalistic world view was stronger and that kept all those Jezebel’s from freely spreading their legs for unprotected sex and bringing Christian civilization down.
bvvgl.23.04.08 #8,204
nf.23,09.16 #11,035
We need fewer Catholics on the court
Meanwhile the voters in states like Kansas are fixing the Dobbs Catholic fuck up permanently state by state.
This post is too long.bvvgl.23.08
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Who is this maternal health president Papageorgio BackAgain CarsomyrPlusSix protectionist ThisIsMe Independentthinker Frankeneinstein Frankenstein ding Lastamender airplanemechanic Flash eagle7-31 The Duke theHawk
The FY2023 Omnibus appropriations bill permanently grant states the option to provide 12 months of Medicaid coverage for postpartum women and children Recent legislative and administrative federal government action shows a focus on improving maternal health outcomes
On December 23, 2022, Congress passed the Fiscal Year (FY) 2023 omnibus appropriations bill, which included a provision that would permanently grant states the option to provide 12 months of Medicaid coverage for postpartum women and children – a key win for counties. The provision was originally included as a time-limited provision in the American Rescue Plan Act of 2021 (ARPA/P.L. 117-2), and is aimed at reducing maternal death by providing access to life-saving health care coverage a full year after birth.
This policy change is one of several key policy measures aimed at mitigating the worsening maternal health crisis across the United States. In 2020, over 800 women died due to pregnancy or childbirth related complications, of which at least 80 percent of deaths were preventable, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Data on maternal mortality also points to significant racial and ethnic disparities, suggesting that black and indigenous birth people die at 2-3 times the rate of their white counterparts. And while rates of maternal death were at an all-time high in 2020, access to maternity care declined, with more than half of rural counties lacking hospitals with labor and birthing services and the number of counties considered to be maternity care deserts growing above 1,100.
ADDITIONAL MATERNAL HEALTH POLICIES PASSED IN THE 117TH CONGRESS
The FY2023 Omnibus appropriations bill permanently grant states the option to provide 12 months of Medicaid coverage for postpartum women and children Recent legislative and administrative federal government action shows a focus on improving maternal health outcomes
On December 23, 2022, Congress passed the Fiscal Year (FY) 2023 omnibus appropriations bill, which included a provision that would permanently grant states the option to provide 12 months of Medicaid coverage for postpartum women and children – a key win for counties. The provision was originally included as a time-limited provision in the American Rescue Plan Act of 2021 (ARPA/P.L. 117-2), and is aimed at reducing maternal death by providing access to life-saving health care coverage a full year after birth.
This policy change is one of several key policy measures aimed at mitigating the worsening maternal health crisis across the United States. In 2020, over 800 women died due to pregnancy or childbirth related complications, of which at least 80 percent of deaths were preventable, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Data on maternal mortality also points to significant racial and ethnic disparities, suggesting that black and indigenous birth people die at 2-3 times the rate of their white counterparts. And while rates of maternal death were at an all-time high in 2020, access to maternity care declined, with more than half of rural counties lacking hospitals with labor and birthing services and the number of counties considered to be maternity care deserts growing above 1,100.
ADDITIONAL MATERNAL HEALTH POLICIES PASSED IN THE 117TH CONGRESS
In addition to congressional action, the White House has indicated their commitment to close disparities in maternal care and outcomes for all birthing people by addressing systemic issues contributing to racial inequities in maternal death.
BILL TITLE SUMMARY DATE SIGNED INTO LAW Data Mapping to Save Moms’ Lives Act (P.L. 117-247) Requires the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to identify areas where high rates of poor maternal health outcomes overlap with lack of access to broadband services in order to pinpoint where telehealth services can be most effective 12/20/2022 Maternal Health Quality Improvement Act of 2021 Amends the Public Health Services Act to improve maternal health and obstetric care in rural areas March 9, 2022 (Passed with the FY 2022 Omnibus Appropriations) Rural Maternal and Obstetric Modernization of Services (MOMS) Act Improves rural maternal and obstetric care data, awards new rural obstetric network grants, expands existing federal telehealth grant programs, and establishes a new rural maternal and obstetric care training demonstration March 9, 2022 (Passed with the FY 2022 Omnibus Appropriations) Protecting Moms Who Served Act of 2021 (P.L. 117-69) Codifies the Department of Veterans Affairs current maternity care coordination program
11/30/21
White House
Following the inaugural White House Maternal Health Day of Action and Maternal Health Summit in December 2021, the Maternal Health Blueprint was released in June of 2022, with 5 key objectives:
U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
- To increase access to and coverage of comprehensive high quality maternal health services, including behavioral health
- Ensure those giving birth are heard and are decision-makers in accountable systems of care
- Advance data collection, standardization, transparency, research and analysis
- Expand and diversify the perinatal workforce
- Strengthen economic and social supports for people before, during and after pregnancy
The Assistant Secretary for Planning and Evaluation (ASPE) released a report in December 2022, entitled “Doula Care and Maternal Health: An Evidence Review”, which provides an overview of the impact of doula care on maternal health outcomes and the role of Medicaid in increasing the uptake of doula care. The report highlighted the positive impact that doulas- trained professionals who provide physical, emotional, and informational support to pregnant and postpartum individuals- have on maternal and health outcomes before, during and after labor.
Additional progress by the Administration has been made through the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS). The agency released their Maternity Care Action Plan to implement the Administration’s blueprint in July 2022. Additionally, prior to that, CMS has also approved multiple Medicaid Section 1115 waivers to extend postpartum coverage. As of December 2022, 36 states and D.C. have taken steps to implement the 12-month extension for Medicaid postpartum coverage.
Another key step made by CMS is the plan to establish a “Birth-Friendly Hospital” designation to help better describe the quality of maternal health services for the nation’s hospitals. It was announced that more than 25 health plans have committed to displaying the “Birthing-Friendly Hospital” designation next fall when the program goes live. The designation was established through a final rule from CMS last month, which provided national quality standards for maternal care in hospitals across the U.S.
As owners and administrators of the local health and human services social net, counties play a critical role in improving the health of pregnant and postpartum individuals. Counties applaud efforts at the congressional and administrative level to advance maternity care through the Medicaid program, which is operated through an intergovernmental partnership between states, counties and the federal government. NACo will continue to champion administrative efforts and the passage of bipartisan legislation in the 118th Congress that will assist counties in improving maternal health outcomes.
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And says nothing!This post is too long.
The decision was decided by six Catholics.And You’ve yet to show that dobbs was decided based on the faith of the justices.
Because according to the current interpretation of the Constitution it is not a right.
What are the rationally related to legitimate government interests being legislated in highly irrational Bible Belt states like Alabama who has Tommy Tubberville as one of its Senators?Mississippi, through Dobbs, argued that the Constitution does not provide a right to abortion (and as such, states can freely ban abortions if it is rationally related to legitimate government interests).
You are too invested in this stuff, so it begs the question as to why ? You claim that you are a new grandfather and such, but then you are on here advocating for women to have total anonymity when it comes to abortions, so I see red flags flying everywhere.What are the rationally related to legitimate government interests being legislated in highly irrational Bible Belt states like Alabama who has Tommy Tubberville as one of its Senators?
You want to end it? Congress is the proven key and it is all on them But youarefooledbydemocrats, congrats.thssm.23.09.16
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The decision was decided by six Catholics.
The last three were groomed by the Federalist Society to get on the Supreme Court.
The Federalist Society does not groom its USSC hopefuls to be wishy-washy on when they believe the sanctity of life begins.
They all have a biblical worldview that the sanctity of life begins at conception.
Mississippi, through Dobbs, argued that the Constitution does not provide a right to abortion (and as such, states can freely ban abortions if it is rationally related to legitimate government interests).Mississippi leaned on the text of the Tenth Amendment, that denies states powers like making treaties, but does not directly deny the power to restrict abortion.Additionally, Mississippi argued that “liberty” as written in the Fourteenth Amendment only implicates fundamental rights that are “deeply rooted in U.S history and tradition.” Mississippi further argued that abortion is not a fundamental right here since many states at the time of the Fourteenth Amendment’s ratification had bans on abortions.Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization (2022)
Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization is the 2022 Supreme Court case that reversed Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v.www.law.cornell.edu
The Dobbs decision was made to protect “victims” in Mississippi who were developed beyond fifteen weeks from conception, but not before fifteen weeks. They are victims to this day that do not have standing to take a case to the Supreme Court. They are not persons.
These victims do have standing with a higher court than the USSC and the US Constitution that neglects to ever mention them as being persons.
The Catholics who pushed Mississippi to take the case that the Constitution does not provide a right to abortion tells us it is an interpretation of language from the Word of God hisself.
• In God’s eyes, all human life is sacred. God has a plan for every person – every mother, and every pre-born child.
The Judeo-Christian Biblical God has no place in a decision made by the USSC. I do not believe God has a plan for a fifteen week old fetus. That’s bullshit. 25 percent at least of every conception dies on its own before 20 weeks before it has a brain. Hardly anything in his white image or capable of committing any kind of sin.
Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization:
Top-Line Messaging
• In God’s eyes, all human life is sacred. God has a plan for every person – every mother, and every pre-born child.• Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization gives the Supreme Court an opportunity to undo the grave injustice of 1973, when Roe v. Wade decided that a whole class of human beings, the preborn, are outside the protection of the law. Since that decision, more than 60 million innocent lives have been taken. If Roe is overturned, states will again be able to protect the lives of preborn children, and in doing so, also protect millions of women from the tragic consequences of abortion.
Dobbs was a farce is a farce and will be remembered as one of the greatest farces of all time.
ppgrg.23.09.16
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If a bipartisan interpretation could be wrong in 1973 with a barely non-existing religious right devoted to saving the life of the baby fetus political propaganda object, then it stands to reason that the farcical interpretation by a holy coalition of hyper-partison six Catholics by the luck of a timely Jewish death can be wrong too.
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I read. . . .Congress is the proven key and it is all on them
newjerseymonitor.com
The fact the article brought out is that Congress can intervene, you said they cannot but as everyone else knows they can fix it permanently and they won’t and you back their inaction, which is strange, you would rather blame than fix a problem. Why do you hate women, why do you not want a fast solution instead of waiting until the Supreme Court turns liberal?Evangelicals losing their grip on the Republican Party as 2024 election looms
Tom Boggioni
September 17, 2023, 8:02 AM ET
Evangelical worshippers (Photo by Larry Marano for Shutterstock
Evangelicals losing their grip on the Republican Party as 2024 election looms pblshd vnglcls.23.09.17
ppgrg.23.09.17
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I read. . . .
A year after Dobbs: Congress takes a back seat on federal abortion policy • New Jersey Monitor
Congress has not enacted legislation to either preserve reproductive rights or to restrict abortion in the year since the Dobbs decision.
It says nothing about Congress being the proven key to solving the fetus personhood problem.
Here’s why I could never agree with you on that.
That piece is a summary of the chaos that Dobbs has created, not much more.
This problem still exists. The white Christian nationalists minority of Protestant believers and fetus obsessed minority of Catholics believers want personhood from the moment of conception to be amended into the US Constitution. No Congress can do that. And no tyranny of a religious driven majority in two-thirds of the states should do that.
There is traditionally only one sacred American anti-authoritarian way to handle any highly popular religious belief that has a particular duty to a specific Deity. We have a large number of Americans who are in the Body of Christ wherein some of them, certainly not the majority of them, who make up the Saving Baby Fetus Cult and who have lost their collective rational mindfulness when it comes rightful thinking in ways of being a good citizen in the American family.
It is essential for the survival of our Founding Fathers-Washington-Adams Jefferson-Madison’s legacy that those good hard working Jesus Believing Americans who are caught up in SBFCult thinking learn to live according to their conscience and not do anything to violate their deeply held religious belief that God has a plan to have a personal relationship with every human being created in his image from the moment of conception and not impose what their collective conscience beholds on others.
I am a rational theist and my conscience beholds that nature’s god has a plan to have a personal relationship with every human being created in his image from the the very moment of being born alive and that is . . . . my truth
Congress nor Two Thirds of States nor Legislation in any one state should be able and allowed to take away my truth.
Does any one who has read this far have a good constitutional reason to deprive any law abiding American citizen of his or her truth described in the above stated truth.
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Republicans
Evangelical Christians need Republicans. Does the party need them?
The religious right is losing its grip as candidates respond to a voter majority that doesn’t support a federal abortion ban
Evangelical Christians need Republicans. Does the party need them? pblshd.23.09.17 vnglcls.23.09.16
Do you agree with Saint Elaine Beck, 75, a Christian media personality from Tucson, Arizona, that the Constitution of the United States of America is written to promote her Judeo-Christian world view to be her “God’s way or no way” with respect to establishing laws with equal justuce for all in this very great nation in which we all live.God has shown me many things through my prayers (rosary and etc).
Don’t care to answer, since you never answer my questions, as a rational theist you certainly know the Golden Rule, right fooledbydemocrats?Elaine Beck, 75, a Christian media personality from Tucson, Arizona, said she knows Trump personally and is confident he will pursue the religious right’s goals in a second term: “It has to be God’s way or no way and I believe that God is working in President Trump’s life to help him see that, just like he does you or me or anybody else.”However, even as they push a hardline agenda, evangelical voters may find their leverage over Republican candidates waning. Ryan Burge, a political scientist at Eastern Illinois University, wrote on the Politico website that the religious right’s grip on the party is weakening with every election cycle.Evangelical Christians need Republicans. Does the party need them? pblshd vnglcls.23.09.16Trump can therefore afford some erosion of support among evangelicals, Burge argued: “That’s because Trump’s real base of support in the 2016 primary contest came from a rising group in the GOP whose impact has been largely unnoticed: Republicans who hardly ever darken the door of a church, synagogue or mosque.”
nmdc.23.09.15
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Do you agree with Saint Elaine Beck, 75, a Christian media personality from Tucson, Arizona, that the Constitution of the United States of America is written to promote her Judeo-Christian world view to be her “God’s way or no way” with respect to establishing laws with equal justuce for all in this very great nation in which we all live.
I am asking for your input here as a rational theist myself along the earthly lines of our forbears Washington Adams Jefferson Franklin and Paine, none of whom believed in original sin snd your Catholic belief that there is such a place as Hell.
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I said they can intervene but they needed not intervene because RvW made a medical procedure fully legal to perform abortions up to 24 weeks. That 24 weeks requirement became established law for fifty years.The fact the article brought out is that Congress can intervene, you said they cannot
Please update your research on me to include the fact that I absolutely LOVE the majority of Catholics per post nf.22.12.07 #6,186 Thsnk You.What makes you think I hate Catholics? The majority of Catholics are pro-choice but object to abortion personally. Exactly my position. I love Joe Biden and he’s Catholic. He’s a good man, a moral man. I’ve never heard that he paid some girlfriend to kill the baby like H. Walker Trump loser did.
You said “Congress had nothing to do forevermore on reproductive rights. They still don’t.”I said they can intervene but they needed not intervene because RvW made a medical procedure fully legal to perform abortions up to 24 weeks. That 24 weeks requirement became established law for fifty years.
Women behaved highly moral and lawful for fifty years as it was none of your business because they chose the medical procedure ninety-eight percent of all abortions before 22 weeks. The earliest surviving fetus is on who made it a 21 weeks. There was no moral issue with the status quo. And you as one who may never darken the doorway if a church I believe with me on that view of the status quo.
You have not made a case as to why you believe Congress needed to become involved after Roe versus Wade was passed. Can you tell me now?
FYI:
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Please update your research on me to include the fact that I absolutely LOVE the majority of Catholics per post nf.22.12.07 #6,186 Thsnk You.
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